'94 S4

Started by Salty, November 26, 2009, 11:20:40 AM

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Salty

So I'm settling into Melbourne and looking to buy a car.  They don't really have S2s here and the NZ RS2 recently traded hands for 100K.  So if any of you RS2 owners want to make money out of your car - then come to Aussie with it.
Anyway - what they do have is plenty of '94 S4 manuals.  There are 2 here for sale - unadvertised.  One is 11k standard (bit more than NZ dollars - but well looked after).  The second one is very interesting - owned by complete enthusiast and upgraded over the years with RS2 turbo and Motec with Toshiba laptop (apparently cost LOADS).  Has 109kms and he wants low 20s for it.  That seems like too much but I plan to work him down - you see I think this is a pretty special car. .  my other justification is that you would pay that money here for a mid 90s M3 and this would blow it into the weeds.   This is from an email he sent me;

The engine ran fine with the modified RS2 unit--I went through several chip sets to get there, but it is a little bit better with the Motec. I tried dyno tuning, but never with great success. The problem is that the intercooler is barely adequate, so that with a stationary car and a fan, one could only get one run (or less) before the charge temperature was sufficiently high that the ignition was automatically retarded to prevent pinging. On the road the cooling is fine, so I really don't know what the power is (the Motec was set up conservatively to preserve the engine).

I'm not a believer in dropping the clutch to get accelaration times, but in gear times, with the Motec, are comparable to an RS2. The 80-120 kph times are (3.0/4.1/6.8/8.9) in gears 3/4/5/6. Other figures are 60-80 mph in gears. I?ve only got 3rd and 4th gear times, which are 2.77 and 3.87 sec respectively, compared to an RS2 4th gear time of 3.73 sec. Without the Motec unit the times are somewhere between these and stock times--closer to the Motec times than stock.

and another email;

It has the following performance enhancements:

RS2 Exhaust manifold
RS2 Turbo
Lucas Delphi injectors
Samco hoses
3 inch custom made exhaust system with cat, 3 resonators and a lightly baffled rear muffler.
RS2 gearbox
Koni sports shocks
2Bennett top struts (currently not fitted)

More significantly, it has had the ECU and MAF sensor removed and replaced with a MOTEC unit, as used in rally cars. The aim has been to produce smooth increased power with no sacrifice in drivability. With the MOTEC, tuning is a cinch.

The MOTEC unit is very expensive, and someone wants to buy it from me for $5000. So I am selling the car "as is" in the low to mid $20s, or will restore the ECU (chipped) and MAF, removing the MOTEC for sale to the other guy, and take $5000 off the price.

The car has always been garaged, and has never been crashed (a ladder slipped from the roof once and scraped paint from a door and wing, which was repaired by an audi specialist panel beater). It has not been driven hard, despite the tuning, I just like to have the option of power when driving on the highway for rapid overtaking. Most of its use has been on the highway. I only use it once a month or so here in Melbourne, preferring my wife's car (automatic) for city driving, and I use a bike to cycle to work. The almost total lack of use, is the only reason I'm selling it--I've only done about 1000km this year.

The car has near new Yokahama tyres, and comes with a number of minor extras (sports bars and bike racks for the roof, snow chains, a spare set of front discs. The MOTEC set up includes a Toshiba lap top to download all settings, making tuning a cinch), a RWC of course and 12 months rego.

The car is dark blue in colour, with black leather interior. It has the usual factory extras--two way electric sunroof,  6 stacker CD, carbon fibre interior trim.


What is your opinion about the mods done and the price wanted for the car with its good history? 
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GlenT

Short story, BUY IT! 8)
If it all checks out obviously.
Find out what cc the injectors are. But the rest looks good.

Salty

Yeah it seems to me to be the ultimate sleeper.  What do you think value wise?
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GlenT

Not so sure what prices are like over there. But I would suggest he's not too far of with his asking price.
Just think how much it would cost you to buy an S2 and modify it to that extent. Probably up around 30ish maybe. Plus all the buggering around setting her up etc.
So if you could secure it for say 20-22k then you've got a really nice S2 for bugger all.
Just be certain all the mods he's listed are actually there, RS2 box etc.
Take it for a REALLY good run, get it nice and hot and make sure it performs well. You don't want to buy a bag of issues.

Trofeo

Quote from: GlenT on November 26, 2009, 11:50:27 AM
So if you could secure it for say 20-22k then you've got a really nice S2 for bugger all.
but it's an S4, and for that money i'd be wanting a B5. have you looked at the price of those in oz?
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RS ZWEI

The RS2 gearbox from what I have read just has a wider first gear syncro.

There is a bloke on the S2 forum who lives in OZ and is looking to sell his ABY S2 Coupe in Jan, let me find it . . . . .

Back! You might have to log into the forum to view:

http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40765

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GlenT

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Quote from: TrofeoRacer on November 26, 2009, 11:55:51 AM
but it's an S4, and for that money i'd be wanting a B5. have you looked at the price of those in oz?
Typo. ;)
There's just something cool about the Ur S4/6's.

slowburn

you have the best nose for sniffing out dope cars stafford. Bro it sounds right up your alley, if it's as good as he says it is then you should get it mate   >:D
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Salty

I'm pretty damn keen - he said he would take 20k with everything as is.

Another email.. and pics to follow

The adjustable strut-tops are also included, but are currently not fitted. While they allow more alignment options, they made the ride a bit harsher. The gearbox was rebuilt by Audi Australia to RS2 specs, when the original developed a noisy first gear at 45000km (this is a known design fault that Audi Australia tried to wriggle out of, but I eventually wore them down). The RS2 has a wider first gear, which was fitted, with an upgraded housing.
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Salty

Doesn't look to even be a scuff on the wheels
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qta4

That car looks exactly the same as mine, and mine is 96, so maybe they didnt make any changes over those years.
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Quote from: qta4 on November 26, 2009, 06:59:20 PM
That car looks exactly the same as mine, and mine is 96, so maybe they didnt make any changes over those years.

Does yours have the same wheels Noel?


Stafford, that S4 looks like a wolf in sheeps clothing with that power.

1980 VW Golf GTI Track Car
1995 Audi RS2
2003 Mini Cooper S (Written off - rear ended)
2005 Mini Cooper S
2006 Skoda Octavia vRS Combi
2009 Renault Megane 230 R26 (Written off - rear ended)
2013 Renault Megane RS265 Redbull RB8

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qta4

Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on November 26, 2009, 09:39:51 PM
Does yours have the same wheels Noel?


Stafford, that S4 looks like a wolf in sheeps clothing with that power.


If they are different, its not obvios from these photos.

Sounds like a great car.

And these cars can handle serious power, the drive train wont even blink at it.

These cars were built by engineers, before the accountants got involved............. ;D
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RS ZWEI

Quote from: qta4 on November 26, 2009, 09:48:58 PM

These cars were built by engineers, before the accountants got involved............. ;D


Roger that!
IMO something changed in the mid 90's
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1995 Audi RS2
2003 Mini Cooper S (Written off - rear ended)
2005 Mini Cooper S
2006 Skoda Octavia vRS Combi
2009 Renault Megane 230 R26 (Written off - rear ended)
2013 Renault Megane RS265 Redbull RB8

Salty

Yes indeed.  Here is some stuff he has writen about the mods done.  Quite interesting.  Apparently spent 8k just on the Motec chip upgrade and laptop - not including labour or ecu plates.
www.ms.unimelb.edu.au/~tonyg/articles/motex.pdf
I'm going for a look and drive next weekend.
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slowburn

jesus staf!!! that is a wolf in sheeps clothing alright,sounds like the sleeper of all sleepers.... let us know how you get on mate!!!
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72 fiat 124 coupe
97 corolla wagon

Salty

So I've been approached by another OZaudi member with his brothers car.  It has been in storage for 4 years with regular servicing.  Has 169kms.  Great condition.  Suspension is a bit dead feeling so would need that sorting.. but asking 12ono.. which could become 10 with haggling

Pics

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Salty

interior in good knick - which is good news for 'cream'
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Salty

Pretty clean
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