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Offline 106_racecar

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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2011, 05:50:52 pm »
As far as I'm aware the 163 ml's did not change much. The injectors themselves are not the problem. it is  the design of the head and how they are fitted. with a stupid 6mm bolt. and a copper washer to seal them. it is just a design cock up every engineer i have talked to has said that will never work properly what were they thinking. they are a mission to fix if you can. we have one that comes in that i have had number 5 injector out 5 times in the last 4 years and its at the stage where it needs a new head. when they leak the compression gases come up the side and eat away at the head and injection.
As for electrical issues. the fuel pressure sensors and afm are very problematic. They have a crap can bus system witch can have issues. they are very heavy on brakes. will destroy front rotors in a couple of years. ball joints and tie rod ends don't last long and are expensive.

like i say i don't no the vw it might be just as bad but i worked for a merc dealer for 4 years and still have a few customers with them and from what i have seen i wouldn't get one.

That sounds like good advice, I presume that includes the later ML270's and a nz new 2005 wouldn't be immune to these issues?

Its looking like i'll end up in a petrol V6 T'reg ... if I can find a good one!
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Offline mark2 golf

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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2011, 07:30:52 pm »
yea all the 163 ml i have seen all run the 5 clyinder engine.
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Offline 106_racecar

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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 04:55:20 pm »
Flag the old merc then, and get the treg
Still looking at both Merc and VW, and the 04 T'reg with almost 60000 kms has come up again for low 30's which seems like a reasonable deal.

Not sure about the antisocial image with SUV's but it is sure to be able to tow well!
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2011, 06:47:05 pm »
Our 3.0Tdi tows like a dream.
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Offline 106_racecar

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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2011, 08:32:45 pm »
I took the 3.2 V6 T'reg out and it goes pretty well for a big tank of a thing.

You seem to sit lower in the Merc ML270 and while I like the ML, I have heard too many negative things and I think that the T'reg will be a more reliable proposition long term.  I would also rather have the TDI V6 as it would have the go and the tow, but they are running close to twice the price!!
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2011, 09:06:15 pm »
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2011, 09:58:21 pm »
Is that a repo im guessing.
Treated like s**te i see.
Still if it goes for 40k i might be in :)
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2011, 10:02:41 am »
I missed out on the petrol T'reg, but suspect as per RS4 that a chipped R5 would be a better day to day proposition and would like to try one of those. Does anyone in Wellington have one that I could try?
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2011, 03:13:09 pm »
Watch out for the facelift treg R5 (brown from memory) on TM. It came via turners as a repo. I was told that it had missed its last ~40kms of servicing!

Is this the one you were talking about: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/auction-380888066.htm
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 11:10:35 pm »
I have gone left field and taken out a diesel X5.  It went pretty well too and was tidier than any Touareg of similar vintage too ... anyone had any experience with them?
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2011, 07:14:59 am »
I have gone left field and taken out a diesel X5.  It went pretty well too and was tidier than any Touareg of similar vintage too ... anyone had any experience with them?

They are pretty good. Better handling car/truck than the Touareg/ML. They can suffer from some mechanical issues. Geabox / transfer case is one i know about. Gaskets and leaks is another. Inbetween that stuff, if you can get over how ugly they are, they are pretty good :)


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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2011, 09:26:12 am »
TOYOTA!!!

Offline 106_racecar

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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2011, 10:31:04 am »
They are pretty good. Better handling car/truck than the Touareg/ML. They can suffer from some mechanical issues. Geabox / transfer case is one i know about. Gaskets and leaks is another. Inbetween that stuff, if you can get over how ugly they are, they are pretty good :)
It sounds like a warranty will cover most of those ill's.  I prefer the Treg look but the way the X5 drives, although the sport version with 19" wheels looks ok.  It probably helps that the X5 is 200kgs lighter and this is the way the new T'reg is going.  I guess most people just don't need it as the are mainly bought for family duties and some serious towing.

I can't get over the fact that so many Touaregs have the coating rubbed off switches which has not happened in any of my Audi's and the T'reg is supposed to be upmarket?!!
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2011, 10:36:43 am »
I can't get over the fact that so many Touaregs have the coating rubbed off switches which has not happened in any of my Audi's and the T'reg is supposed to be upmarket?!!

Yes its a common issue; its the top soft touch / silicon coating. Our 2002 A4 started doing the same. Old boys 07 cayenne has some minor issues of the same, but only on the passenger side. Its a combination of some moisturisers and nails apparently. Touch wood, our treg is free form this, so far.
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Re: VW Touareg vs Merc ML
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2011, 10:41:26 am »
TOYOTA!!!

Show me a ~big toyota 4wd with the same interior spec (quality and luxury items), ESP, 5 star crash rating, on road holding, for similar money?

Prado, no (unless you get the new one, but $$)
Landcruser, no (unless you get the new one, but $$)
Highlander, no
CRV, no
4Runner, no

Yes Toyotas are probably more reliable, but they dont have the refinement, treats and saftey of the euro's.


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