2006 Mk5 2.0 TDi - DSG issue?

[brian245]

I thought the jappas were going for all the gadgets as well................they just have to wait for everyone else to iron out the problems first, then copy them and say how cleaver they are 'cause ours are reliable but by then so are all the others...bit like oil leaks in the past

[80 Vert]

That's not quite true Nik but your pretty much right.
  And that is why I think they are all a pile of inhuman crap.
 Cars cause to much waste to think of them as a throw away thing. tho this is what we have been doing for years.
 However if you work as a mechanic you will see the pain on Joe Averages face whenever they just want the thing to go again and it is harder and harder to simply achieve this for them.
 Why would we do this to ourselves?
 So many people ARE running cars that can do huge mileages but they destroy them by stupidity.
 The cars of yesteryear were built to last but the technology was bad so they didn't really.
 Now the technology is there, but the company's pander to greedy guts buyers and make the cars so complicated and then also have to make them still cost the same.
 Something has to give.
 Plus planned obsolescence.
 It is a bad mix of buyer power and company greed.
 It is the buyers fault tho as we always want the car with a bit more power and more silly gadgets.
 But I don't. But I'm no new car buyer am I. I'm just an old junk car buyer that gets what I can for the money Ive got and learned how to fix it.
 Yet can you buy a decent good car now? Yes, its Japanese and very simple and cheap to run but everyone wants a 4x4.
 You can get cheap simple cars still tho thank god. 

 Still, in this day and age there should be laws that say you can't make big gas guzzlers anymore.
 In the end that is the biggest reason to hate rich people. Because they are always extravagant and seem to think they deserve to waste more of our limited resource faster and blow the smoke in all our faces.
 Things like that make me come over all Communist .
 But I use more gas than a person poorer than me.
 But if I got a ration, I would be fine with that. Its fair.

You're living in the past, that time is gone so move on.

[insane]

I think what BB is after is a new car, but built with parts which are at least 10 years tried and proven, no modem 'this is cool when it works' tech. I suspect it would also be manual.


Oh, little update re my OP about the DSG,..  a VASK forum member very kindly put my car on his VAGCOM and took it for a drive.
Long story short, it appears the sound I'm hearing is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about at all . As for the clunky gear changes, haven't experienced any in the last few days so who knows, perhaps signs I need to change the DSG oil, heard it takes $600 worth of oil.

 



 

[BB]

Living in the past.
 So I should think the new way is good?
 Sorry I don't. Because making things that don't last is a bad way to do things.
 I will always think like that and I am glad I do.
 
 Good your car is ok insane. Spend the $600 on new oil for the box its cheaper than it wearing out prematurely. Whatever prematurely means these days.

 And yes the Jappers do have all the bells and whistles too and they are going the same way.
 There are many ways they do things that are better though, too many to think of and list here but they do.
 They are more reliable.
 But reliability is only one criteria of what car owners want.

 The thing we seem to get hung up on with the others against Jem opinion saga is ......I say they are actually pretty unreliable with way too many issues, YOU say they are fine and utterly reliable.
 Maybe there is a middle ground. 

 Nik HQ holdens all rusted away

[5-pot]

I thought the DSG was more fuel efficient than the h-pattern manual alternative anyway??  Faster, smarter shifting = fuel savings.

I suppose the energy required to manufacture it is higher than that of a traditional manual, though.

You can have three clutches per shaft, so to speak.  Like a triple plate clutch.

P.S. saying the gearbox can't read your mind is like saying your wife/partner doesn't know you're going to be hungry at dinner time but plans to cook dinner anyway.  If you decide to go out, well, put it all in the fridge and cook it tomorrow.  Doesn't mean he/she is a bad/stupid spouse/partner.  But at least they can figure out the two options, start on one, but have a contingency plan should the other take place.

[RS ZWEI]

I thought the DSG was more fuel efficient than the h-pattern manual alternative anyway??  Faster, smarter shifting = fuel savings.

I suppose the energy required to manufacture it is higher than that of a traditional manual, though.

You can have three clutches per shaft, so to speak.  Like a triple plate clutch.

P.S. saying the gearbox can't read your mind is like saying your wife/partner doesn't know you're going to be hungry at dinner time but plans to cook dinner anyway.  If you decide to go out, well, put it all in the fridge and cook it tomorrow.  Doesn't mean he/she is a bad/stupid spouse/partner.  But at least they can figure out the two options, start on one, but have a contingency plan should the other take place.

I think you will find it reality that the manual uses less gas than a DSG.

[ranton-inc]

I think you will find it reality that the manual uses less gas than a DSG.

Tell that to my Passat that nets over a 1100kms to a tank

[BB]

Ranton! Your so sensible now! I'm glad to see what a fine young man you have tuned into with a family car and that light footed frugal driving!
 Hope you still got Metallica blasting.

[ranton-inc]

Hope you still got Metallica blasting.

Im loving being frugal...

and yes metallica still blasting...

[RS ZWEI]

Tell that to my Passat that nets over a 1100kms to a tank

Thats great, but whos to say you wouldnt get better from a manual?

[the phantom]

my experience of DSG was that it would often select a much higher gear, with consequent lower revs than I would have in some situations, for example it would often trundle along at 15-1800 rpm in sixth on the flat at relatively low speed

I know we're all above average drivers  but I imagine many would tend to change down a gear earlier than DSG, thus use more fuel, further DSG would go down more gears than I would tend to for overtaking, possibly putting the engine into its most effective rev range for the situation

in the same way that DSG is faster than a manual, I also think that it is likely better at picking the best gear for speed, load and throttle position, thus economy, than the majority of drivers

[spooln]

Tell that to my Passat that nets over a 1100kms to a tank

X2 - Selective Metallica as well.

[5-pot]

I get 800 in my Golf on my daily commute.  But high-way only driving would net about 1100km to a tank too. 

[insane]

I think you will find it reality that the manual uses less gas than a DSG.

Bit of a late reply, and Happy New Year to you all!

That comment is mostly correct, assuming the driver knows when to properly change gears. Adding to that the DSG doesn't 'always' pick the most economical gear. With the trip computer I can see the slight reduction or increase in fuel used when I flip the DSG to tiptronic mode and pick a gear myself, particularly noticeable when going up hills.

Still averaging 6L/100km around town though on full auto.