2.0T Fsi into Mk4 golf...

[LiL Medic Vdub]

Hey guys,


I would like to make my 2.slow Golf faster, but to be honest it feels like its on its last legs, so im considering doing an engine and transmission swap.

I do not intend to sell the car and purchase a different one, so a swap is the way I would like to go.

I would love an 3.2 or a 2.0t Fsi, any ideas on the prices of those engines with gearbox, ecu and harness?


Thanks a lot

[80 Vert]

Much easier and cheaper to do a big turbo 1.8T, easily make 400hp

[00quattro00]

Or turbo vr6

[LiL Medic Vdub]

Much easier and cheaper to do a big turbo 1.8T, easily make 400hp

   I would love that Vert, that's one of my fall backs. Do you have any ideas on the price differences between the 1.8t and the 2.0t? I really like the newer engines and economy, also I'm guessing you can also take the canbus from the newer car to get things like auto headlights/wipers to work?

Thanks for the input so far

Or turbo vr6

   
Would be nice but the fuel economy is a no go for me haha.

[the phantom]

the FSI swap is a nice idea, but I remember talking to Vert about it some time ago and he said the MK5 looms are quite different, but if you can tune a 1.8T for torque and keep a light foot on the throttle you could reach your economy targets

however what you save on gas would take a long time catching up on what you spend on the conversion, also power is addictive, so you may not ever see those savings  LOL

[GLIDN]

Maybe look at it slightly differently, if you have a damaged high pressure fuel pump on the FSI engine.
Second replacement will be anywhere from $400-$600. New will be $2300 from VW, aftermarket will also be around that price. This does not include engine or gearbox or any of the other parts.

Many people install a 1.8t head on the 2.0 FSI motor but then you simply have 2.0t still not TFSI.

They far more complicated, and all the wiring requirements with the correct set of controllers,
For steering control module, canbus, CECM and correct coding.
If all the parts are not there you will have many problems. ESP is another one that will have to be working or problematic it will be.

Like vert says 1.8t for your car will be a plug and play solution. Build the motor and have a cleaner more manageable solution

[the phantom]

then there is this, http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3023219#post35065450

from memory simple mods like a low restriction 2.5 inch catback exhaust, cold air to the airbox etc can make a noticeable difference on a 2.0l, or somewhere on the Vortex MK4 pages there's a guide to putting a 20 valve head onto the 2-litre donk, now that would be a VASK first

note: edited to clarify that this page is about modding a 2.0 8v

[80 Vert]

1st problem, finding and buying a 2.0TFSI engine with EVERYTHING and at what cost?
1.8T's are cheap as now, bolt right in and very easy to get power from.
Just depends on what you want and why.......

[the phantom]

are 1.8Ts drive by wire or cable throttle?  I miss cruise control 

[80 Vert]

pre 05. 2001 are cable (AGU), post 05. 2001 are DBW (AUM)

[the phantom]

pre 05. 2001 are cable (AGU), post 05. 2001 are DBW (AUM)

would cable to DBW require a new pedal box, or just a new accelerator assembly? plus controller and stalk change, of course

[80 Vert]

converting to DBW is wayyyyy more involved than that. (we did it on the 1.8T Vento)

[LiL Medic Vdub]

I'm loving the feed back and the help!

the FSI swap is a nice idea, but I remember talking to Vert about it some time ago and he said the MK5 looms are quite different, but if you can tune a 1.8T for torque and keep a light foot on the throttle you could reach your economy targets

however what you save on gas would take a long time catching up on what you spend on the conversion, also power is addictive, so you may not ever see those savings  LOL

Yeah sourcing would be the tricky part.  The 1.8t should be definitely more economical then what I'm doing at the moment. I get 8.6-9 Km to the Litre

Maybe look at it slightly differently, if you have a damaged high pressure fuel pump on the FSI engine.
Second replacement will be anywhere from $400-$600. New will be $2300 from VW, aftermarket will also be around that price. This does not include engine or gearbox or any of the other parts.

Many people install a 1.8t head on the 2.0 FSI motor but then you simply have 2.0t still not TFSI.

They far more complicated, and all the wiring requirements with the correct set of controllers,
For steering control module, canbus, CECM and correct coding.
If all the parts are not there you will have many problems. ESP is another one that will have to be working or problematic it will be.

Like vert says 1.8t for your car will be a plug and play solution. Build the motor and have a cleaner more manageable solution

Good point, might be just easier to go with the 1.8t 20v  and add all the best mk4 goodies in?

then there is this, http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3023219#post35065450

from memory simple mods like a low restriction 2.5 inch catback exhaust, cold air to the airbox etc can make a noticeable difference on a 2.0l, or somewhere on the Vortex MK4 pages there's a guide to putting a 20 valve head onto the 2-litre donk, now that would be a VASK first

note: edited to clarify that this page is about modding a 2.0 8v

I was thinking about the head swap, depending on the price and I wonder if it will do anything to help the economy side of things?
Saying that I still need to get rid of this 4speed box as well.

1st problem, finding and buying a 2.0TFSI engine with EVERYTHING and at what cost?
1.8T's are cheap as now, bolt right in and very easy to get power from.
Just depends on what you want and why.......

Good point, my mate just spent 20k on a b6 Passat 2.0tfsi which has all the mod cons like heated memory seats.

The swap I'm looking at would cost at least 1/4 of that price... right?

Vert, I think I now see. 1.8t would be the way to go. Would love to get the some modern luxuries tho, mk5/6 auto leather seats, Autolights, wipers, wheel controls and full screen clocks.

But yep, one thing at a time I guess...

So with the 1.8t, there are 2 different ones from the golf right? 150hp, 180hp.  Other then power is one better then the other?

[80 Vert]

The swap I'm looking at would cost at least 1/4 of that price... right?

Vert, I think I now see. 1.8t would be the way to go. Would love to get the some modern luxuries tho, mk5/6 auto leather seats, Autolights, wipers, wheel controls and full screen clocks.

But yep, one thing at a time I guess...

So with the 1.8t, there are 2 different ones from the golf right? 150hp, 180hp.  Other then power is one better then the other?
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If doing a 2.0TFSI swap then 5K won't go very far at all so best to forget it if thats the budget.
Also forget the seats as the mounting is completely different to a MK5.
Yes there's 150hp and 180hp 1.8T's, the latter being near impossible to get here so just go with an AGU 150hp and go from there.
5G's isn't much to work with if you're considering buying the engine, having it installed, getting it running and modifying it...............don't mean to rain on your parade but those are the facts.

[the phantom]

frankly, it sounds like buying a decent GTI would be the simpler, cheaper way to go, with the specs you're after, MK5 GTIs are starting at $21k and up, auto wipers useful, never used the auto lights on my MK5 GTI


or buy this as a donor car and have a VASK bonfire party BBQing the horrid shell!  he only want's $0.00 for it! http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/auction-435822248.htm

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