5x100 swap

Started by 00quattro00, September 24, 2012, 08:42:28 PM

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00quattro00

Whats req to change to 5x100 but retain the mk2 subrame and arms? I dont want to change to mk3 gear because I have brand new mounts and neuspeed sway bars all ready installed, just need bigger brakes, Is it just a matter of swapping in the 5x100 hubs?
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BB

I thought you just told me all that stuff just swapped into a mk2 in that mk2 brake upgrade thread ???
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00quattro00

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Quote from: BB on September 24, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
I thought you just told me all that stuff just swapped into a mk2 in that mk2 brake upgrade thread ???

I know the 4x100 stuff fits but i want to retain the mk2 subframe ect with 5x100 hubs
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BB

Yea that's what I'm doing too, bolt mk3 hubs to the mk2 subframe and lower arm. Using the mk3 lower ball joint.
Bolt the mk3 stub axle with rear discs to the mk2 beam at rear too.
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00quattro00

So you are going to do 5x100 hubs on mk2 gear to keep the track the same? Let me know how you get on
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watercooled

Get the hubs redrilled ,rear is real easy as most disks have plenty to redrill (have checked that),my new ones were around 16mm plenty to hold a bolt.
The front ones are a little harder and you will most like need to weld up disk retaining screw hole (from memory) while since I checked that.
If you set up the bearing carrier in a press properly you can most likely reuse the bearings,if the bearing are bad to start with you will need to change them anyway,depends on your budget.
I gave up trying to buy 4-5 stud adaptors as the freight was crazy from os
There is a bearing/ hub 5 stud exchange for the front but I think you have to machine the later 5 stub hub inner to fit the stock bearing
Its up to you if you want to use 14mm or 12mm bolts,14mm is a pain.
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Mike

pretty sure the 5 Stud hub presses in to the Bearing of the 4 Stud...

I think they share the same bearing.. so you should be able to just press it in throw the CV in and away you go..

and the back as you know the Disc is the Hub...


mark2 golf

For 288mm you cant just swap the flanges over the disc's have different off sets and wont work. I have just been down this path. I was told you could use Mk3 Gli hubs with 5 stud flanges but that doesn't work eather. The only way i could make it work was to use Mk3 288 hubs and you have to modify he lower ball joints to get them to go into the a arms.
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BB

I don't mind going to 5 stud I just don't want wide track.
So Mark do the mk3 lower ball joints not fit into the mk2 lower control arm? What needs modifying?
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blackbetty

the holes need to be widen by about 5mm each side. The ball joint fits, the holes just don't line up.
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BB

Sold the VR6 now so won't be getting the bits.
I will just fit the bigger 256s if I can get some.
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mark2 golf

Yea the holes are in the wrong place and it is a bit think. Nothing a grinder and a file or a mill if your lucky can't fix.
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rambo_005

It is possible to run 280mm 4x100 brakes on the Mk2 - you just need to use late Mk2 GTI 16V, B3 Passat, Mk3 Golf hubs with 280mm VR6/GTI calipers/carriers over a pair of 4x100 280mm discs.

Basically the same as the Rallye/G60 set up except you may need the thinner 256mm style brake pads - not sure on this though.

00quattro00

Quote from: mark2 golf on September 25, 2012, 07:30:22 AM
For 288mm you cant just swap the flanges over the disc's have different off sets and wont work. I have just been down this path. I was told you could use Mk3 Gli hubs with 5 stud flanges but that doesn't work eather. The only way i could make it work was to use Mk3 288 hubs and you have to modify he lower ball joints to get them to go into the a arms.

What didnt work in regards to using the gli hubs with the 5x100 flange? And what needs modifiying on the ball joint? I can machine anything I need to at work
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mark2 golf

There is no 288mm disc with the right off set the carriers would have to be machined down so much that the would be very strong.
89 mk2 1.8t
97 mk3 gti 1.8t
90 190e 2.6
17 Amarok v6
09 golf gti

00quattro00

Ok, so modify 5x100 ball joint to fit mk2 arms, what needs to be modified?
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mark2 golf

The bolt holes need to be elongated and it is a little bit thick to go into the arm. And i think you have to cut a bot off the side of there it tapers around the inner bolt hole.
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90 190e 2.6
17 Amarok v6
09 golf gti

00quattro00

Just picked up a complete vr6 setup so will see what needs to be done on the weekend
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00quattro00

Ok so I have vr6 hubs, calipers, rotors and ball joints, looking at the hub it will not work with mk2 arms as the ball joint is offset and the mk2 is in the center so the wheel will not be centered in the arch, so will need to grab the arms and shafts as well
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mark2 golf

Yea it has a little bit of positive camber. I was going to get some adjustable tops
89 mk2 1.8t
97 mk3 gti 1.8t
90 190e 2.6
17 Amarok v6
09 golf gti