286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?

Started by RS ZWEI, April 29, 2014, 11:33:37 AM

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Smithy

Km's are up there but a potential bargain for the right person given the listing is over a month old... http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1245662579.htm

slowmo

Quote from: Smithy on February 27, 2017, 09:07:17 AM
Km's are up there but a potential bargain for the right person given the listing is over a month old... http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1245662579.htm

That's been up for almost a year  :laugh:
Current: 2004 MK4 R32 3-door NZ New DBP

Past: 2010 MK6 GTI / 2013 Nissan Leaf LOL / 2007 B7 RS4 / 2006 MK5 R32 / 2005 MK5 GTI / 1998 MK4 GTI / 1997 B5 A4 MTM

Smithy


slowmo

Quote from: Smithy on February 27, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
Ouch... bluddy Tard Me!!!

Yeah it was already listed for sale when I bought my MTM Stage 2 in May 2016.
Current: 2004 MK4 R32 3-door NZ New DBP

Past: 2010 MK6 GTI / 2013 Nissan Leaf LOL / 2007 B7 RS4 / 2006 MK5 R32 / 2005 MK5 GTI / 1998 MK4 GTI / 1997 B5 A4 MTM

slowburn

99 B5 S4 Avant
85 coupe quattro
72 fiat 124 coupe
97 corolla wagon


slowburn

i asked the guy to go look at it out of interests sake, he's not keen to let people look at it as its in an unsecured yard. i'm getting some more pics sent to my phone when he gets a chance. would have been a wicked car in its day. shame really. could be saved. but yeah, needs everything
99 B5 S4 Avant
85 coupe quattro
72 fiat 124 coupe
97 corolla wagon

Filx

It's the kind of car if you had space you put it in a corner and leave it until the values increase enough to make it worth restoring. If that never happens it's no great loss, but it might be something in 10 years because of their relative rarity.
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Horch

Be worth the 1k investment if it had the original MTM wheels. They were a cool unit when introduced if not slightly agricultural. Heavy duty clutch was the Audi A4 1.9tdi unit of the day to prevent slip with torque summoned from software upgrade.  NZ was part of the R&D of A4 1.8t quattro MTM as it had issues with adaption of our highest fuel at 96 octane at the pump.
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slowburn

even though I need another car like I need a hole in my head I am intrigued by this poor thing. all out of stash spots for cars though and cash, and understanding from my other half....
99 B5 S4 Avant
85 coupe quattro
72 fiat 124 coupe
97 corolla wagon

le mans

I see the speedo is stuck on about 200kph

slowburn

99 B5 S4 Avant
85 coupe quattro
72 fiat 124 coupe
97 corolla wagon

sfkarl

#72
Anything special about the AEB engine in the MTM car? Forged internals? Different compression ratio?
From reading it's mostly turbo, injectors, ECU, airbox etc.
Since this car has a rooted piston I imagine there's a big mess inside not worth fixing.

sk

le mans

My understanding is just bolt-on mods and ECU chip. Should be fairly straight forward to swap another engine in. I'm not sure the gear boxes handle the torque all that well so another thing to consider.

sfkarl

Found another claim that the internals were upgraded at stage 3 - "From my understanding the MTM 286 (really 230) had stronger rods and pistons."

If that's true a stock AEB would get chewed up with the power. And original engine probably highly unrealistic to rebuild.
Coolant in sump sounds like MAJOR block failure and at least 1 piston and conrod destroyed.

Car looks like too much of mess to be bothered restoring. Might be worth something in the far future because rarity, but probably more likely stripped for parts.

thoughts?

mark2 golf

A stock 1.8t should take that power easy. I think they use to say 300-350whp was the max on stock rods  pistons were good for just under 500whp from memory
89 mk2 1.8t
97 mk3 gti 1.8t
90 190e 2.6
17 Amarok v6
09 golf gti

beeker

My memory has the mtm 286 with stock Internals, 99.9% sure

I did allot of research when I had my Lemans edition b5 car
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94 DC2 Integra Targa/Track Race Car
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Horch

Standard form the A4 1.8t was 150hp...
MTM stage 1 - ECU E-prom = 189hp
MTM stage II - ECU E-prom & cat back big bore exhaust = 210hp
MTM 286hp - as above & upgraded turbo, injectors, fuel pressure reg, airbox. clutch plate Plus bumper and alloys.

EMD performed stage I & II ECU offerings on exchange basis.
All 286hp upgrades were done by Mayer team at his ingolstadt based workshop with the exception of two conversions. EMD tech team did these.

The 210hp package was the best with linear torque curve in my view.
2018 Porsche 991 Carrera T Manual
1988 urquattro MB
1986 MB 300SL
1956 DKW RT250
2006 Vespa PX200

sfkarl

Could the go-fast bits be put on a later version of this engine?

eg. 1.8L 20 valve in a 2001 B6 A4 with AMB engine?

RS ZWEI

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