Feeding MK2 GTi's

Started by nilut, February 15, 2005, 06:52:18 PM

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nilut

Hi, New here so please don't bite

I have my sights on a Mk2 GTi, although was wondering what the story is with petrol grade.
Does the GTi need to be feed with 96 or does it run fine on 95? From what I gather its more a performance & engine-wear issue.

Thanks

bigbumper

I run mine on 98 but presume you could adjust the timing to make them run just as happily on 96.  Not sure about 91 though...?

robh

pretty sure VW and Audi have been able to run lower octane fuel for a long time now, personally I wouldn't put anything less than 96 in it.  If you really want to run lower octane, then get a VW specialist to adjust the timing accordingly, but it won't drive as nice!
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dubstar

Mine was an english import and it recommends 97 octane, so I run 98.
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orggti

i prersume you mean 91 not 95? The Gtis run on either 96 or 98 and the standard glis and the like run on 91 fine. If it pinks then adjust he timing so its closer to TDC. As far as engine wear goes, its valve seat wear that happens but golfs have hardened valve seats as do all alloy head cars so it not a problem. None of the fuel has lead for the valves now anyway so whether your car runs on 96 or 91 makes no difference to the engine wear, unless its pinking its brains out of course. Id use 96 or 98 as the 91 is crap petrol even in my cars that are ok with 91.

nilut

Thanks for the comments, Yeah, meant 91 not 95..dunoh where that came from..  :P

I guess High Octane is the way to go. Still contemplating if the prices people are asking for them are realistic. I know this is a real relative question, but whats a the reasonable asking price for a an 89 GTi, NZ new, with average Ks and complete service history?


dubstar

What options does it have (alloys, p/s, e/w, etc)?  5dr? How many K's? 16v or 8v?
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RS ZWEI

Mk1 GTIs would had a factory sticker inside the door saying it should run on 96 and being as we only had 96 up till a few years ago that is all we have had to run them on.
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bigbumper

Quote from: nilut on February 16, 2005, 10:51:33 AM
Thanks for the comments, Yeah, meant 91 not 95..dunoh where that came from..? :P

I guess High Octane is the way to go. Still contemplating if the prices people are asking for them are realistic. I know this is a real relative question, but whats a the reasonable asking price for a an 89 GTi, NZ new, with average Ks and complete service history?



Mk2 GTi's are at the stage where condition determines price.? If its rough, its not worth bugger all, but if its in reasonable nick around the $5k mark??

This was in the T&E last month: VW 1990 golf gti 92k,ps,ew,manual 5 speed,15"alloys very tidy car in and out no rust,cd player,sports steering wheel nothing wrong with what so ever need to sell quick viewing welcome you wont find a 90 golf in better condition? $6,500.00 ono
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orggti

they need to be pretty good to get 5k!  id say $2500 for a 88 gti in good warranted condition but not mint. A 1990 16v in mint condition with a mint interior is about 6 or 7 max.

1.8t

I saw a mint mk2 16v, small bumper, 88 i think, going for 33000, it was in mint condition but had done 200,000k.

Rather pretty though!
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bigbumper

Quote from: orggti on February 17, 2005, 03:04:14 PM
they need to be pretty good to get 5k!? id say $2500 for a 88 gti in good warranted condition but not mint. A 1990 16v in mint condition with a mint interior is about 6 or 7 max.

Yeah perhaps I was overstating things there.  To clarify, decent big bumper around $5k, early Mk2 in average cond. say $2.5k.  We have been looking for a Mk3 GTi for months, seems like none are available for under $10k... hence late Mk2 must still be worth half that?  Especially since they are the better drivers car  :o (could be causing some controversy with that remark....)

RS ZWEI

Quote from: bigbumper on February 18, 2005, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: orggti on February 17, 2005, 03:04:14 PM
they need to be pretty good to get 5k!? id say $2500 for a 88 gti in good warranted condition but not mint. A 1990 16v in mint condition with a mint interior is about 6 or 7 max.

Yeah perhaps I was overstating things there.? To clarify, decent big bumper around $5k, early Mk2 in average cond. say $2.5k.? We have been looking for a Mk3 GTi for months, seems like none are available for under $10k... hence late Mk2 must still be worth half that?? Especially since they are the better drivers car? :o (could be causing some controversy with that remark....)
Id say that a Mk2 is a better drivers car than a Mk3, but Id say a Mk1 is a better drivers car than a Mk2  :P
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dubstar

Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on February 18, 2005, 08:10:26 AM

Id say that a Mk2 is a better drivers car than a Mk3, but Id say a Mk1 is a better drivers car than a Mk2? :P

Of course, you're not biased at all....
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RS ZWEI

Quote from: dubstar on February 18, 2005, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on February 18, 2005, 08:10:26 AM

Id say that a Mk2 is a better drivers car than a Mk3, but Id say a Mk1 is a better drivers car than a Mk2? :P

Of course, you're not biased at all....

Now now, dubstar, I do own both a Mk1 and a Mk3  ;)
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robh

if your talking factory standard cars, I think the mark II 16v was as good as it got, I love mark I's, but the factory brakes are poor and the shell isn't rigid enough around the front end, I reckon the extra weight of the mark II is worth it for the stiffer shell and better brakes alone.

here we go, this should start a debate!
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orggti

to be honest i think your probibly right id love a nice 16v mk2 with a recaro interior. The mk2 is much much more slippery and therefore quieter at 100kms and over as well, my mk1 is a hell of a noisy at 120ks. But the mk1 looks the best, but only just.

dubstar

Not surprisingly, I'd have to agree with rob that the Mk2 GTi was one hell of a car.  But if I could have any golf it would have to be a Mk2 16v G60 (less than 500 produced).  It keeps the sexy body of the standard GTI (and just adds wider arches and lower stance), but has cool twin cam supercharged engine.

The Mk1 is a nice piece of motoring history and can still perform with the best, even today, but it's got to be a Mk2 for me.
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RS ZWEI

Quote from: robh on February 18, 2005, 08:55:14 AM
if your talking factory standard cars, I think the mark II 16v was as good as it got, I love mark I's, but the factory brakes are poor and the shell isn't rigid enough around the front end, I reckon the extra weight of the mark II is worth it for the stiffer shell and better brakes alone.

here we go, this should start a debate!

The Mk1 brakes only felt poor on the RHD cars, ever my RHD car has good feel, why better that our other Mk1s.
For me, a Mk1 GTI is a more seat of your pants car, very light, about the closest you can get to a Lotus 7 with a roof.
I would say a standard  Mk1 GTI 1.8 would be quicker around most race tracks than a Mk2 16V.
You have to drive a good MK1 GTI to undersytand how good they are, Id say 85% or them in NZ are in poor state at the moment.
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bigbumper

Never driven a Mk1 GTi so not fully qualified to comment.  But the Mk2 16v is definitely a great drivers car.

The Mk1 would have to be pretty sensational for me to trade.  And I like my mod cons (e/w, p/s etc) too much to move to a Mk1 GTi... unless of course the Mk1 was just a weekend car