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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2007, 10:44:58 am »
Is it too late for me to suggest a Mitsi Aitrek Turbo?
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2007, 08:49:38 pm »
Is it too late for me to suggest a Mitsi Aitrek Turbo?
Airtrek is too small - pretty keen on the 3.0R Outback due to the extra ground clearance.  I tried a Legacy 3.0R with the STI 6 Speed and it went very well too.
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2007, 02:02:07 pm »
What did you end up getting?

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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2007, 03:06:45 pm »
I am still prevaricating between a Audi A6 3.0, Subaru Outback 3.0R, Legacy 3.0R spec B, Legacy GT and possibly a '99 S4 Avant.

An Outback 3.0R with a manual g'box would be the right car and price, shame they only make it in an auto.  The Legacy 3.0R with the 6 spd manual g'box goes very well but is a little low and more expensive, the GT will be stolen by the time I finish typing this and the S4 Avant is probably a bit small for a family of 5.  Oh and the 3.0 A6 seems to be a bit expensive for what you get compared to a 2.4 or 2.8.

Any ideas?
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2007, 03:10:03 pm »
Is there much of a difference on the V6 Audi engines? Would it be worth dropping a few CC's and going for the A6Q Avant and maybe looking at a few minor mods?
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2007, 04:06:45 pm »
Is there much of a difference on the V6 Audi engines? Would it be worth dropping a few CC's and going for the A6Q Avant and maybe looking at a few minor mods?
The A6 3.0 Q would be a good option although basically the same cat as my 2.4 A6. 

It is hard to see the value in a car that looks the same as what you have and costs 3-4 times the price! 

I do prefer the Audi build quality and general feel of the car, but at least the Outback is only twice the upgrade price of what I have and yet you get AWD, an extra 600cc and a car 6 yrs newer - the general consensus seems to be that the Subaru Auto is not a great shifter however.

The Legacy 3.0R with the 6 speed STI g'box is quite good, but the Legacy is fairly common and looks like a 2.0 with different wheels.

What did you mean by some minor mods ?
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2007, 04:30:52 pm »
My father is test driving a 3.0 Outback this Anzac day, im trying to talking him into the legacy 3.0b.

Will be interesting to see how it goes :)
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2007, 05:10:43 pm »
The A6 3.0 Q would be a good option although basically the same cat as my 2.4 A6. 

It is hard to see the value in a car that looks the same as what you have and costs 3-4 times the price! 

I do prefer the Audi build quality and general feel of the car, but at least the Outback is only twice the upgrade price of what I have and yet you get AWD, an extra 600cc and a car 6 yrs newer - the general consensus seems to be that the Subaru Auto is not a great shifter however.

The Legacy 3.0R with the 6 speed STI g'box is quite good, but the Legacy is fairly common and looks like a 2.0 with different wheels.

What did you mean by some minor mods ?

Couldn't you go a cheaper V6 than the 3.0 Avant, but still with A6 and add go faster bits (I'm not so techie...) I don't know how tunable the V6's are...
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2007, 07:09:00 pm »
The A6 3.0 Q would be a good option although basically the same cat as my 2.4 A6. 

It is hard to see the value in a car that looks the same as what you have and costs 3-4 times the price! 

I do prefer the Audi build quality and general feel of the car, but at least the Outback is only twice the upgrade price of what I have and yet you get AWD, an extra 600cc and a car 6 yrs newer - the general consensus seems to be that the Subaru Auto is not a great shifter however.

The Legacy 3.0R with the 6 speed STI g'box is quite good, but the Legacy is fairly common and looks like a 2.0 with different wheels.

What did you mean by some minor mods ?

I'd go for the Legacy 3.0R 6 speed. awesome car 8)
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2007, 07:38:02 pm »
I'd go for the Legacy 3.0R 6 speed. awesome car 8)

You are right, it has an awesome engine gearbox combo - It handled pretty well too, but looks a bit plain, I prefer the Outback as it has more presence and looks less like 2.0 Japa though with some bigger wheels?!!!

I'm a little concerned it might be a little too low for the ski-field/odd gravel road as it only has 155mm ground clearance to the Outback at 200mm.

Funnily enough I felt the 2.5 Outback was fun to drive, but I think I would always be thinking: "maybe I should have got the 3.0R even if it was auto".
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2007, 08:39:49 pm »
You are right, it has an awesome engine gearbox combo - It handled pretty well too, but looks a bit plain, I prefer the Outback as it has more presence and looks less like 2.0 Japa though with some bigger wheels?!!!

That could be a good thing though, less attractive to the thieving lowlife type..

I'm a little concerned it might be a little too low for the ski-field/odd gravel road as it only has 155mm ground clearance to the Outback at 200mm.

Funnily enough I felt the 2.5 Outback was fun to drive, but I think I would always be thinking: "maybe I should have got the 3.0R even if it was auto".

That is true, I guess it depends on how often would you be taking it to the ski-fields...
You could end up thinking that you should have gone for the more enjoyable six speed Legacy everytime you weren't in the snow ;D

My Dad had the first (press car) six speed 3.0R spec B Legacy for 3 days (a few years back now) I was very impressed with it, for the price and kit it is a hard car to beat. The McIntosh sound system and the AWD Manual Flat Six make it for me :D
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2007, 09:10:44 pm »
That could be a good thing though, less attractive to the thieving lowlife type..

That is true, I guess it depends on how often would you be taking it to the ski-fields...
You could end up thinking that you should have gone for the more enjoyable six speed Legacy everytime you weren't in the snow ;D

My Dad had the first (press car) six speed 3.0R spec B Legacy for 3 days (a few years back now) I was very impressed with it, for the price and kit it is a hard car to beat. The McIntosh sound system and the AWD Manual Flat Six make it for me :D

The 3.0R Spec B being more discreet is a good thing to me and I am not so keen on the GT as much as it is a blast to drive due to the "thieving lowlife types"!

The 3.0R Spec B, is a great sports combination, and the stereo is almost as good as my Audi A6 Bose unit, and I have indeed thought I might regret going for the Outback at times over the 3.0R Spec B. I guess I only take it on the snow 2-3 times and a couple of gravel roads a year - that said I might do it more if I had an Outback.

I was quite keen on the Outback but have recently heard of a few people selling theirs due to frustrations with the automatic transmission which is a worry as I don't want to buy something and regret it 2 weeks later!
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2007, 07:05:18 pm »
After having a wee fang in the 3.0R Legacy with the auto, I know what you mean about the gear box, its pretty smooth in intelligent mode but in Sports or Sports sharp it really hammers through the gears.

It drives like a totally different car. Can see how it would use plenty of gas when driven hard.

But it looked awesome, and handled pretty damn well for a larger car.

Im a fan of the wheels on them too.
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2007, 07:11:15 pm »
After having a wee fang in the 3.0R Legacy with the auto, I know what you mean about the gear box, its pretty smooth in intelligent mode but in Sports or Sports sharp it really hammers through the gears.

It drives like a totally different car. Can see how it would use plenty of gas when driven hard.

But it looked awesome, and handled pretty damn well for a larger car.

Im a fan of the wheels on them too.

Try the six speed, a whole different car ;D
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Re: Audi S3 vs Golf 2.8 4 Motion vs WRX Wagon
« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2007, 07:21:40 pm »
After having a wee fang in the 3.0R Legacy with the auto, I know what you mean about the gear box, its pretty smooth in intelligent mode but in Sports or Sports sharp it really hammers through the gears.

It drives like a totally different car. Can see how it would use plenty of gas when driven hard.

But it looked awesome, and handled pretty damn well for a larger car.

Im a fan of the wheels on them too.
I have only driven the 3.0 auto in an Outback and thought it went pretty well and sounded similar to a 911 flat 6.  However driving the Legacy 3.0 with the manual was even better to drive and I can see how I could sell the Audi A6 and my Peugeot 106 and have the best of both cars in a single car.
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