PROJECT CAR: Vento Coupe

Started by Filx, April 19, 2008, 08:20:26 PM

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e36 floorplan..... engine, drivetrain the works.... mk3 coupe shell.....
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80 Vert

Yes, but we want factory turbo power.
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qta4

The problem comes from the old power to weight ratio thing.
I think you wil be lucky to get weight below 1100kg fiinished.

That means that to be competitive you will need 400hp.

If you went along with the FWD route,you compromise traction seriously, i am at the FWD traction limit.

So ,maybe 1.8t rear engined,or mid engined would work, but the front susension is designed for FWD.

You will have to increase caster to about 5 degrees ,also remove as much weight from rear of car ,to get close as possible to 50/50 weight distribution. just my 2c worth
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veedubman

Front Engine Front wheel drive..


Mid Engine Rear Wheels Drive is two much trouble and to much waste of time..

and Twin Engines is just plain Stupid..


slayer00


80 Vert

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2003 Jetta Coupe soon to be R36TT
1991 Golf GTI 2.0 TSI swapped
1963 Type 34 Karmann Ghia, turbo 2.0
1990 Porsche 964 911 Carrera 4
1980 1303 Beetle vert, under restoration

qta4

I disagree with Hitman about rear engined, it is the only way to get traction ,post 350 hp
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80 Vert

Well in any case we are comitted to 400+ HP front or rear drive ( which is a big ask anyway).
Thanks for the link Noel, those guys make some nice stuff!  :)
Rear drive would be awesome but I just don't know about mid engine.
My prefrence would be conventional front engine/rear drive combo, don't know why but just like it that way.
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2003 Jetta Coupe soon to be R36TT
1991 Golf GTI 2.0 TSI swapped
1963 Type 34 Karmann Ghia, turbo 2.0
1990 Porsche 964 911 Carrera 4
1980 1303 Beetle vert, under restoration

qta4

#68
Maybe it because Americans make their cars like that and you have an affiliation to BIG BALL American cars.

It would be a big ask to make a VW rear wheel drive with the engine in front.

What transmission would you use,
What diff would you use.
I like the idea of mid engined,using the engine gearbox combination they came with factory.
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80 Vert

Hahahaha I knew you would see it like that  ;)
We did actually consider a Lexus V8 but I was sensible enough to admit it would be too heavy.  :'( .......no V8  :'(
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Looking at it I think it will be easier to do front engine/rear drive as most of the tunnel is already there and engine bay is well big enough.
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2003 Jetta Coupe soon to be R36TT
1991 Golf GTI 2.0 TSI swapped
1963 Type 34 Karmann Ghia, turbo 2.0
1990 Porsche 964 911 Carrera 4
1980 1303 Beetle vert, under restoration

qta4

GO FOR IT.

But dont get too pissed off if i am stil quicker ;D
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80 Vert

2010 T5 Transporter TDI  Tuned by Superior Tuning NZ
2003 Jetta Coupe soon to be R36TT
1991 Golf GTI 2.0 TSI swapped
1963 Type 34 Karmann Ghia, turbo 2.0
1990 Porsche 964 911 Carrera 4
1980 1303 Beetle vert, under restoration

Filx

My preference is mount the FWD engine and box in the back using the stock K frame, replicate the frame mounts/strut towers, etc and lock out the steering. Suspension adjustment could come in the form or rose joints. Challenge with the Vento is unlike a Golf their is a potential height issue with the rear window. The upside is extra room behind the engine to mount stuff, e.g. big turbo  >:D, exhaust system and mufflers.

But we'll see - all ideas takin' under consideration  ;D >:D 8)
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1.8t

there is a mk2 powered by a 4cyl Porsche engine, RWD. All I can remember is it's from the US and was a two tone beige/cream and blur colour. Might be worth a thought.
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GLIDN

Quote from: Filx on August 08, 2008, 09:58:31 PM
My preference is mount the FWD engine and box in the back using the stock K frame, replicate the frame mounts/strut towers, etc and lock out the steering. Suspension adjustment could come in the form or rose joints. Challenge with the Vento is unlike a Golf their is a potential height issue with the rear window. The upside is extra room behind the engine to mount stuff, e.g. big turbo  >:D, exhaust system and mufflers.

But we'll see - all ideas takin' under consideration  ;D >:D 8)

I would tend to agree on this idea, at least this way you can use all mk3 or mk4 bits, so if anything breaks easy as just go buy another one of those parts and fit, not custom this or that.

If you are dead set on FR running gear, needles to say than an SR20DET would have to be the go, big power small package and super strong and cheap as chips to modify.
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gti vr6

I agree, with a front mounted engine and drive shaft to the rear diff you would lose alot more power to the drive train.
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SteveC

#76
Porsche 944 or Alfa GTV V6 transaxle in the rear? I don't think drivetrain losses would be an issue, at least not any worse than FWD with the steering turned

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21809087@N05/2195552286

but mid engined could solve the back window problem, crank it inwards at the back and have a freestanding C pillar to act as an airscoop ala Ferrari 288 GTO or Pug 205 t-16


5-pot

along the lines of crazy ideas.  Make it synchro!  ;D

Ok, ok.  maybe a little too crazy and extra diff+propshaft, etc is too heavy too, blah, blah, blah.

That's all I have to pester you with.  I have no further input that is of use (not that the above comments were of any use anyway) apart from, "this is so cool" :)
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qta4

How about transfering all the running gear from an S4 or RS4 , now that would be impressive
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80 Vert

Yes, VERY cool Noel but there's only one problem- $$$$$$$$$$$$$
2010 T5 Transporter TDI  Tuned by Superior Tuning NZ
2003 Jetta Coupe soon to be R36TT
1991 Golf GTI 2.0 TSI swapped
1963 Type 34 Karmann Ghia, turbo 2.0
1990 Porsche 964 911 Carrera 4
1980 1303 Beetle vert, under restoration