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AUDI => 80 - 90 - Coupe - quattro - S2 - RS 2 => Topic started by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 12:29:22 pm

Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 12:29:22 pm
Well I bought it on Friday 1/11/2013  :D

Just a quick post, I will add more detail later. Seems the past two owners have cared for it well. Ocular spent at least $4000 on it when he had it. Last owner has done cam belt, front brakes, alternator, suspension top mounts and wheels. The reason for the non-standard wheels is one of the orginals is slightly bent. It has quite new GY GDS3 tyres all around. I have the originals so that's something to sort at some stage. The car drives beautifully and the engine is silky smooth. The gear box feels spot on. I think a radiator might be on the way out though.

It has an aftermarket diverter valve so I want to check that out some time and make sure it is working properly. Apart from that it has an aftermarket radio - I don't like the look of it but it has MP3 input so will see how it goes. And of course in has a Link G4 ECU. Fogs and park lights are also aftermarket. Apart from that it appears standard and seems a very honest car. I believe it's the only 1996 model year RS2 in NZ. Service history is very patchy but will contact Giltraps at some stage to see what they have on it. It seems it may have spent much of it's life in Taranaki.

Anyway, I'm like a kid in a candy store at the moment. Plans are to drive it regularly and look after it as best I can. The existing fleet will remain. Very excited but lots to learn!

Specs:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4216/35738206182_5c794e4c51_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws4DAE)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4293/35867159196_6194cb1ba5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WDsyQu)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4240/35738221592_53a46e5e73_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws4Jbm)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4232/35098809073_a377b7bc7d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vtyz7z)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4281/35098808803_2698a5d41f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vtyz2V)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4231/35776225861_a2e984e760_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wvqvwn)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 12:32:08 pm
Pics:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4306/35867301386_7a5ec2038a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WDti73)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/35776351911_ba448da1a8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wvr9ZD)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 12:36:40 pm
Original wheels:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4312/35528499420_f73d5835a8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W8wR5Q)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4323/35916573695_83af496865_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WHPQ3B)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4262/35746904552_0971f68d96_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsQejy)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4205/35076720764_054abedea6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VrBn2E)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4301/35528499940_56654c1cba_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W8wReN)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on November 03, 2013, 12:37:31 pm
Nice!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: slowburn on November 03, 2013, 12:43:21 pm
dope,was hoping this would make it into the fold on here somewhere......well done
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: beeker on November 03, 2013, 01:16:58 pm
Well done!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on November 03, 2013, 01:47:35 pm
well done!!!!

:D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 03, 2013, 03:20:32 pm
Awesome Jon, well done! Good to have another RS2 on the forum.
Two MY1996 RS2's were sold new in NZ, though the other one (RS Blue) was exported to OZ.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: ritmo on November 03, 2013, 03:58:42 pm
Nice... I went on tm to see if it sold. It had obviously.  Good price
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 03, 2013, 05:49:19 pm
Fantastic - another RS2 / RS4 combo owner on the forum!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: mjh on November 03, 2013, 06:59:34 pm
Welcome to the RS2 club.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 09:26:01 pm
Thanks fellas  :)

Ok, so radiator is leaking when warm. Is this a standard Audi 80 unit?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4229/35077044464_4f335abafc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VrD2fG)

Diverter valve. Is it forge?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4214/35077044614_b64be8529c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VrD2ih)

Fuse box. Seems a couple might be missing? The cigarette lighter doesn't seem to have power (for my portable vacuum cleaner)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4315/35747231702_07f2558682_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsRUz5)

I believe it has uprated injectors. The previous owner also changed all the coil packs.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4296/35747231982_e4b0ab7d14_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsRUDU)

I'm used to seeing pink coolant additive. Is this the wrong spec?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4215/35747232232_3c8a5e820e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsRUJd)

Few drops of fluid (hydraulic?) under front left of car from sitting overnight:
[(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4322/35077045894_a6fbc4d66a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VrD2Fm)

Looks like something down here too:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4261/35747232982_b09bf18a14_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsRUX9)

Rear luggage cover is in a bad state:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4255/35784957791_3144ae89a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WwcgdT)

Aftermarket radio:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4289/35077047324_4005f80866_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VrD371)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 09:31:31 pm
2+2 vcds connector. I knew it would come in handy one day:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4318/35108008453_1285927d95_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VunHLz)

Only 1 fault stored - suspect due to battery being disconnected at some stage. Didn't return after clearing:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4288/35528934150_f8010273ae_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W8z5jb)

I haven't been able to communicate with the G4 ECU yet. The first app I downloaded said the ECU was too old, and the old version of the app I downloaded after said the software was too old  :-\ Any ideas? I believe the ECU is a G4 of some sort. Access looks a bit tricky - up behind the clove box somewhere.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4288/35785109621_c7348b3e66_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wwd3mD)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on November 03, 2013, 09:46:30 pm
http://www.s2forum.com/

is your friend (or your worst enemy!)

:D

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 09:50:49 pm
A couple of other minor things. The engine under tray is not fitted. It has a bit of a crack in it but not too bad otherwise. Will probably re-fit at some stage but not a biggie. A nice little bonus is remote central locking, which was fitted by a previous owner.

The paint work looks its age despite the pics (pics always bring out the best in a car's paint don't they). Will see if Gordon (final touch) would like to have a crack at it some time soon. Also plan to get the car serviced as last oil change was around a year ago and want to get it thoroughly checked over before I drive it too much. It did fly through a VTNZ WOF last Friday which is saying something!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 09:52:27 pm
http://www.s2forum.com/

is your friend (or your worst enemy!)

:D
Thanks, I'll subscribe to that.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 03, 2013, 09:56:21 pm
What's your plans for it? Keep it stock or lean on it a bit?  >:D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2013, 10:22:45 pm
What's your plans for it? Keep it stock or lean on it a bit?  >:D
Time will tell lol. It's apparently running stock boost at the moment (20 PSI tapering to 16?). I will try and get all the niggles sorted and drive it as is before I decide whether or not to turn up the wick. I've only done 25km in the thing so far! I might see if I can get it on the dyno on the 30th. Bit tricky as I'm working. My boy loves to see the cars on the dyno so maybe his mum will bring him along  ;)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 04, 2013, 07:34:04 am
Jon, this is what my fuse box looks like:

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/null_zps58080bc8.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Golfboy666gti/media/null_zps58080bc8.jpg.html)

Does yours have a sticker on the fuse box?

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/null_zps47b17c61.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Golfboy666gti/media/null_zps47b17c61.jpg.html)

To answer a couple of questions:

I not sure if a standard Audi 80 has two radiator (I wouldnt think so, but a 5 cylinder may do?)

I dont know about the DV.

The injectors look the same to me (green in colour).

You are right, the coolant should be pink, G12 or whatever its called?




Also, do you have the Porsche/Audi hand book?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 04, 2013, 07:37:02 am
Oh, and I guess you know it has the wrong gear knob?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on November 04, 2013, 07:59:05 am
20th Feb quote from Audi for gearknob was 450 (the gearknob is RS2 specific)

and this is the one I ended up getting from overseas

www.online-teile.com/vw/product_info.php?info=p92502006_puffer-8a0711133.html

which equals about 230 NZD

my bro lives in the UK so I got it sent to him and he flicked to me

things i've sourced so far

replacement rs2 gearbox (dismantled and checked twice...hahahahaha - oh god.... from the UK)
clutch kit (audi)
new condensor (from UK)
new gearknob (from germany)
replacement boot cover (same as other audis - Wainui parts place - sweeeet!)
new boot gas stuts (audi)
new accelerator pedal (audi)
new engine speed sensor (audi)
new rs2 badges front and rear (gift from another vask member!  so good!)

and I've probably forgotten to list some stuff (or my therapist has wiped them from my mind in order for me to carry on :P )

and I've still got more things to do

if there is anything you want me to do , pics , info etc , just sing out , I'd be more than happy to what I can.  although my car is a bit of a freak so comparing anything to this one may just create more confusion (lets not get started on chassis numbers!)!

:)


Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 04, 2013, 12:49:11 pm
Oh, and I guess you know it has the wrong gear knob?
Yep - from the VW I was told.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 04, 2013, 12:57:00 pm

To answer a couple of questions:

I not sure if a standard Audi 80 has two radiator (I wouldnt think so, but a 5 cylinder may do?)

I dont know about the DV.

The injectors look the same to me (green in colour).

You are right, the coolant should be pink, G12 or whatever its called?




Also, do you have the Porsche/Audi hand book?
Thanks, yes I have the hand book. I also downloaded the maintenance manual (Audi 80) and the repair manual (RS2) from erwin.

Qualitat just quoted $1100 for genuine radiator sourced through EMD. They think they can get one for $550 ex USA (not genuine). It's the same radiator as the Audi 80, but the 80 doesn't have the secondary radiator like the RS2. Also the previous owner has already replaced that secondary radiator - looks like new.

Your fusebox looks similar to mine then! Yes I have the cover too, I'll have a gander.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 04, 2013, 01:23:57 pm
Thanks, yes I have the hand book. I also downloaded the maintenance manual (Audi 80) and the repair manual (RS2) from erwin.

Qualitat just quoted $1100 for genuine radiator sourced through EMD. They think they can get one for $550 ex USA (not genuine). It's the same radiator as the Audi 80, but the 80 doesn't have the secondary radiator like the RS2. Also the previous owner has already replaced that secondary radiator - looks like new.

Your fusebox looks similar to mine then! Yes I have the cover too, I'll have a gander.

The only thing that could have been added to my fuse box could be a fuse for the jammers?

I was thinking about the wheels, RS2's have a set of 5 full size wheels so why didnt the just owner put the spare on the car?
Also have the fog lights had a tint film put on them or are they a proper aftermarket unit?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: wilco on November 04, 2013, 02:08:04 pm
Jon, nice buy.
The small secondary radiator in the front was standard on the 5-cyl quattro coupes of that era. Pretty sure I had mine repaired for very little, may have even re-cored it.  Wouldn't bother to go new.

W.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 04, 2013, 03:20:03 pm
The only thing that could have been added to my fuse box could be a fuse for the jammers?

I was thinking about the wheels, RS2's have a set of 5 full size wheels so why didnt the just owner put the spare on the car?
Also have the fog lights had a tint film put on them or are they a proper aftermarket unit?
I was told the side lights were smoked aftermarket units.

One of the 5 wheels is bent and another has been a bit messed up due to a seized nut that was cut off - I remember Ocular mentioning it. The previous owner said the wheels on the car just came up by chance and they fit (just) so I think he thought to give them a try. They are off a V6 Cayenne or something?
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 04, 2013, 03:24:41 pm
Jon, nice buy.
The small secondary radiator in the front was standard on the 5-cyl quattro coupes of that era. Pretty sure I had mine repaired for very little, may have even re-cored it.  Wouldn't bother to go new.

W.
Thanks for the info. A friend has told me about Pakuranga Radiators (now located in Howick). Anyone have any experience with them?

By the way I got my wires crossed before. The leaking radiator on my car is around $600 genuine sourced from EMD. It looks like the more expensive one has already been replaced thankfully.

Oh and previous owner tells me the original gear knob has been biffed.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: td19 on November 04, 2013, 04:04:37 pm
Congratulations on your acquisition, lots of driving fun ahead! ... I believe that car has some of my old wheel nuts on it.

Oh, and I guess you know it has the wrong gear knob?

... here is a brand-new one, purchased from the UK several years ago and now sadly not to be used by me:

(http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/td19_2008/IMG_4498.jpg) (http://s510.photobucket.com/user/td19_2008/media/IMG_4498.jpg.html)

Part number is 893863279. PM me if interested. I also have an RS2 'Workshop Manual' and 'Motronic Ignition Manual', both pdf files, that might be of use.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 04, 2013, 05:38:43 pm
Time will tell lol. It's apparently running stock boost at the moment (20 PSI tapering to 16?). I will try and get all the niggles sorted and drive it as is before I decide whether or not to turn up the wick. I've only done 25km in the thing so far! I might see if I can get it on the dyno on the 30th. Bit tricky as I'm working. My boy loves to see the cars on the dyno so maybe his mum will bring him along  ;)

Aaargh, you just gotta go nuts on this car - it's gagging for it!!!
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 04, 2013, 09:23:39 pm

Aaargh, you just gotta go nuts on this car - it's gagging for it!!!
Steady on there fella ;)

Would be rude not to though hey, especially with that ECU making it so much easier to fettle.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 05, 2013, 11:34:07 am
Teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59bl4UdqeLc
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: M on November 05, 2013, 01:15:34 pm
Nice one!!

And I agree, tune the sh!t out of it.  ;D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 11, 2013, 04:46:53 pm
Managed to get the right software for the Link ECU. Looks interesting. The ECU fitted is called Link G4 Extreme Pro.

We had our first decent drive yesterday. Car feels so solid. Front end is a bit soft/bouncy - suspect new shocks needed. Bilstein Sports recommended? Car has no rattles apart from a small one from the glovebox door when idling. There is a slight shudder through the steering at motorway speeds. Something to look into.

My thanks to Tony for the new shifter boot, looks good!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4211/35907631755_fd43833b30_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH2ZVe)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 11, 2013, 04:51:45 pm
Had a dig around the engine bay. Decided to remove the aftermarket blow off/diverter valve as I found a factory original one off the RS4 that was in the shed and was holding vacuum. Quite a tricky job in the end.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35867075906_2535ab20cf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WDs95s)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4205/35907677115_e31231e7ab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH3epi)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35907677405_d7ee5ed1ba_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH3eui)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 11, 2013, 05:11:21 pm
Did you take the light out to change the DV?

Wish I knew Tony had that knob, I would have jumped at that.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 11, 2013, 05:13:04 pm
We had our first decent drive yesterday. Car feels so solid. Front end is a bit soft/bouncy - suspect new shocks needed. Bilstein Sports recommended?

Maybe check out the 2Bennet stuff - http://www.2bennett.com/Audi%20RS2.html (http://www.2bennett.com/Audi%20RS2.html) Some good looking items here.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 11, 2013, 05:58:58 pm
Managed to get the right software for the Link ECU. Looks interesting. The ECU fitted is called Link G4 Extreme Pro.

We had our first decent drive yesterday. Car feels so solid. Front end is a bit soft/bouncy - suspect new shocks needed. Bilstein Sports recommended? Car has no rattles apart from a small one from the glovebox door when idling. There is a slight shudder through the steering at motorway speeds. Something to look into.


I got my Bilsteins from Speed.co.nz, MJH got his Bodge (factory) from them as well.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 11, 2013, 08:17:23 pm
Did you take the light out to change the DV?

Wish I knew Tony had that knob, I would have jumped at that.
Ha, yeah that would have been easier than the way I did it!

Sorry about the gear knob - Tony did say someone else had asked if it was available. Amazing what people keep tucked in their garages. Hopefully another one can be sourced from somewhere for you.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 11, 2013, 08:18:59 pm
I got my Bilsteins from Speed.co.nz, MJH got his Bodge (factory) from them as well.
Thanks, you rate the bilsteins highly? The PSS9s on my RS4 are brilliant.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 11, 2013, 08:20:13 pm
Maybe check out the 2Bennet stuff - http://www.2bennett.com/Audi%20RS2.html (http://www.2bennett.com/Audi%20RS2.html) Some good looking items here.

Thanks for the tip. You have any experience with the koni stuff?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 11, 2013, 09:23:36 pm
I've never had any issues with Koni myself - good quality stuff usually.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 12, 2013, 11:46:04 am

We had our first decent drive yesterday. Car feels so solid. Front end is a bit soft/bouncy - suspect new shocks needed. Bilstein Sports recommended? Car has no rattles apart from a small one from the glovebox door when idling. There is a slight shudder through the steering at motorway speeds. Something to look into.


Jon, it could just be top mounts? But here is my old shocks quote from Speed.co.nz, it is a few years old now but it should give you an idea:


Genuine Audi Parts -

Front Shocks - 8A0 413 503J - $398.28 INC GST Each (x2)

Rear Shocks - 8A0 513 029 AF - $471.03 INC GST Each (x2)



Bilstein Shocks - 

Front Shocks - PE3-3086 - $315.43 INC GST Each (x2)

Rear Shocks -  BE3-6212 - $439.63 INC GST Each (x2)



Koni Shocks -

Front Shocks - 86-2086SPD2 - $385.56 + GST

Rear Shocks -  8210-1160Sport - $602.28 + GST


The downside to the Bilsteins is that the rear shocks are the same as a B5 and you have to get them regroved and the seating ring lowered so the car doesnt sit high at the rear (should be pics in my RS2 thread).

I honestly dont notice much difference between the Billys in my car and the factory Bodge replacements MJH has in his. If anything the Billys might crash a little more.

Also a big thing to keep on top of is front top mounts, Ive tried different types and the factory Audi ones seem best, and last the longest. The cheaper ones seem to last as little as 3 months where the factory ones last up to 12 months, I am talking a daily driven car though.
SimonS2 has solid top mounts in his S2 which he is happy with, this could be the way to go?

Have you thought about coilovers? I used to be dead against them but an RS2 now has 18 year old springs in it and I wonder how much the spring rates have changed in that time?
I have priced up a set of H&R lowering springs in the last here in NZ, that price came back at an eye watering $900. The bloke said they were the second most expensive spring set he had priced - after a set for an Aston.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: John Stone on November 12, 2013, 02:02:07 pm
I've got Bilsteins/solid top mounts in the quattro. Got sick of the wear rate of 034Motorsport/Audi Blue top mounts. You get a reminder of the less forgiving nature on something as simple as centreline "cats eyes". The big plus is better turn in, direction, and of course lower wear rate :D
I sourced the B's from Shox.com in California at a very competitive price and the top mounts from the UK
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 12, 2013, 02:26:15 pm
I've got Bilsteins/solid top mounts in the quattro. Got sick of the wear rate of 034Motorsport/Audi Blue top mounts. You get a reminder of the less forgiving nature on something as simple as centreline "cats eyes". The big plus is better turn in, direction, and of course lower wear rate :D
I sourced the B's from Shox.com in California at a very competitive price and the top mounts from the UK

Where abouts did you get the top mounts John?
Because they are solid I guess the chassis take a bit of a caning.
Im interested cos Im sick of replacing top mounts every wheel alignment.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: beeker on November 12, 2013, 04:33:58 pm
Final Touch today by any chance John ?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: John Stone on November 12, 2013, 04:45:26 pm
Where abouts did you get the top mounts John?
Because they are solid I guess the chassis take a bit of a caning.
Im interested cos Im sick of replacing top mounts every wheel alignment.

I'll dig out the invoice when I get back home this evening Nik.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 12, 2013, 04:46:00 pm
I'll dig out the invoice when I get back home this evening Nik.

Great, thanks John.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: John Stone on November 12, 2013, 06:51:37 pm
Here's the link Nik

http://www.compbrake.com/cars/audi/quattro-ur-coupe/audi-ur-quattro-front-fixed-each.html

And here's a link to a discussion about the product on the quattroforum

http://www.quattroforum.com/index.php?threads/top-mounts.18205/
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 12, 2013, 07:10:34 pm
Here's the link Nik

http://www.compbrake.com/cars/audi/quattro-ur-coupe/audi-ur-quattro-front-fixed-each.html

And here's a link to a discussion about the product on the quattroforum

http://www.quattroforum.com/index.php?threads/top-mounts.18205/

Thanks!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 12, 2013, 10:21:03 pm
Good info thanks guys. The previous owner told me he'd done the top mounts - OE from Qualitat. Could be gone already then? Previous owner did around 12,000km in the car from memory?

That website Phil pointed me towards did get me thinking about suspension options. They do a complete coilover kit for $1700USD or so, but the adjustable koni dampers by themselves also look tempting. What about bushes, are those something that people have replaced with good results? OE or aftermarket?

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 12, 2013, 10:29:29 pm
Final Touch today by any chance John ?
Gordon from Final Touch was working on the car from 9:30am to 4:30pm today. I'm utterly blown away at the results.

Before:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35519585710_0023ab7809_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W7Kamb)

During:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4287/35519585890_5e8ec526b7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W7Kaph)

After:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4229/35907434755_42de51388f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH1ZmF)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4320/35737901702_15f6dfa775_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws3661)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4240/35907436005_bb5b0a0459_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH1ZJe)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4290/35737902302_d5fa16f35d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws36gm)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4304/35737902902_de661c2181_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws36rG)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4239/35737903292_40fb6a3702_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws36yq)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4261/35907438495_1350d6742a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH21ta)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/35907439045_bda7c8e818_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH21CD)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: John Stone on November 13, 2013, 06:46:02 am
mmmmmm looking very smart 8)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on November 13, 2013, 09:22:22 am
thats NICE!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: slowmo on November 13, 2013, 10:02:51 am
That's awesome, looks great!
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: ritmo on November 13, 2013, 01:00:41 pm
Great job
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 13, 2013, 01:25:11 pm
Thats come up great.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Long Black on November 13, 2013, 06:01:54 pm
Thank God there's no law against this site!! The car looks great! Be really interested in how you end up tuning the suspension, knowing the issues VW/Audi have with upper/lower arms bushes etc. Lovely car, well done!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: schattenblau on November 13, 2013, 06:28:50 pm
That spruce up job worked a treat !

Wish the local FT guy was as good.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 15, 2013, 09:55:45 pm
Got the car back from service at Brodie European today. They found a short circuit on the coil pack wiring which was causing an ignition fuse to blow. Car was generally in good shape though. Coolant system pressure tested, leak fixed (loose banjo fittings) and flushed. Brakes bled, oil, filters etc. Car could do with a wheel alignment (steering wheel slightly off centre) and rear brakes will need doing in a year or so. There seems to be an issue with the boost. When on WOT the boost ramps up to about 3000rpm and then seems to back off. I'm trying to get my head around this ECU and some of the plumbing. The software has logging facilities but I haven't delved into that yet.

So this looks like a non-OE part. It has 12V and is plumbed to the waste gate, diverter valve and crank case. So this could be the equivalent of an N75? Can anyone shed some light?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4323/35866967486_e2e5109ec3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WDrzR9)
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Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: FFS on November 15, 2013, 11:30:17 pm
Mac DDBA. Boost control solenoid valve, according to a google search on the visible characters. So yep, N75 alternative.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 16, 2013, 07:32:35 am
Mac DDBA. Boost control solenoid valve, according to a google search on the visible characters. So yep, N75 alternative.
Thanks, didn't think to do that :)

So that cut wire under the hydraulic reservoir - anyone got any ideas on that?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 16, 2013, 11:08:27 am
You might need a wiring diagram and check what that wire does. Do all the dashboard lights come/off on correctly? ABS light?
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 16, 2013, 12:36:25 pm

You might need a wiring diagram and check what that wire does. Do all the dashboard lights come/off on correctly? ABS light?
Yes, the only thing that doesn't work is the fuel computer.

At some stage when I'm ready the car will go to Torque Performance and I'm sure they'll be able to help (being Link agents). Hopefully they can get a few more poneys out of it too.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 16, 2013, 07:42:27 pm
Ok it appears to be boosting, it's just that I'm used to two smaller snails putting out 20psi attached to a Cosworth fettled  V6 with a light SMFW rather than one larger snail putting out 20psi attached to a Porsche fettled I5 and a very heavy (and bulletproof) DMFW!

I'm seriously impressed with the ECU logging and data presentation capabilities in the associated Link software. It took a while for me to work it out, but that's partly because of it's flexibility and complexity. The ECU can log data itself (100 pre-determined parameters) or you can log with the PC software. I went for the ECU option today for the ease of not having to have the laptop sitting in the passenger footwell. The ECU can log at up to 50hz (which is impressive!) but it has limited storage. No doubt the newer Link ECUs can store more. Here is the approximate storage capability of mine (depends on selected sample rate):

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4257/35775577801_ea414c8cef_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvnbSV)

I selected 5hz.

I took the family to town and back today - so quite a bit of 80 - 100 kph stretches of road. A motorway onramp T2 lane gave opportunity to have a short 3rd gear WOT run. On the way home being at the front of a traffic light cue in an 80kph area gave an opportunity for a brief 1-2-3 WOT run.

On the 3rd gear WOT run from about 2000 rpm the turbo does get up to 20psi (1.4 bar) but not until 4200 rpm which does seem quite late to me but I'm not familiar with these machines. At the same time the boost ramps up the ignition timing is retarded quite a lot (which is probably what I'm feeling as a slight backing off).

With the logs below, bear in mind the boost pressure is absolute, so subtract 100 to get the figure you'd see on a boost gauge. The graphing capabilities of the Link software is very good and it's possible to completely customise what data is presented and how. Very impressed.

OK, so 3rd gear WOT run using RPM on the X axis (only to around 4500 rpm to avoid exceeding 100kph):
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4299/35775578201_b43a5f480a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvnbZP)

This one just shows the ignition advance against the same X axis:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/35519331580_463abb5722.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W7HRNC)

This is a brief 1-2-3 WOT run with time on the X axis rather than RPM. I started with the engine just above idle and engaged the clutch normally before flooring it - so nothing aggressive:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35519332060_84e31e3c2f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W7HRWU)

So the car is definitely boosting to 20psi as requested by the ECU. I suspect it is running very conservative ignition timing which accounts for the slightly flat feeling I feel once the boost ramps up. Now I see 034 tune these turbos on the I5 to 27psi tapering to 19psi so I'm confident there is plenty of head room to safely push these a little harder. It's not on the immediate agenda but I'll be talking to the team a Torque some time about this. Here is a link to the 034 tuning info:
http://store.034motorsport.com/chip-tuning-package-rs2-stage-1.html (http://store.034motorsport.com/chip-tuning-package-rs2-stage-1.html)

Finally the suspension, which I plan to sort before anything else. So I can tell the car was well set up by the Porsche gurus. It's solid and stable, but it's one part of the car that feels it's age. Cameron (Brodie European) tells me the bushes look OK so I'll start with the springs and dampers. I am looking into options now, and I think I've found a good one, albeit a bit pricey. My philosophy is do it once and do it right - I learned that lesson with the RS4 (ECU tuning!). So if all goes to plan there might be some very capable modern kit holding the car off the road in the not too distant future. Once that is done I'll look into the tuning side of things - nothing OTT, just some ECU tuning for now. If I end up with a $30,000 RS2 after all the improvements I'll be more than happy!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 17, 2013, 07:52:57 am
Jon, the Whiteline RARB seems to be popular with S2/RS2 owners.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 17, 2013, 10:56:28 am
Jon, the Whiteline RARB seems to be popular with S2/RS2 owners.
Thanks Nik, I had read about that. In fact one of the things I've learned about the B4 is that the rear suspension is the same as the B5. I thought of putting my RS4 rear ARB on (another thing that's in the shed!) but I think it might actually be the same diameter as the RS2 one anyway? I'm reasonably happy with the handling balance of the RS2, but it feels a little pitchy, especially under braking. This is why I'd like to start with shocks/springs. After I've done that I'll consider the ARB, but it may well not be necessary.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 19, 2013, 04:31:41 pm
Whilst I quite like the Cayenne wheels the previous owner put on the RS2, after a couple of weeks of driving they feel very heavy and the 245s seem like too much rubber. Interestingly one of the OE wheels in the shed appears to have the factory original Dunlop Sport 8000 245/40x17 tyre fitted. My OE A4 wheels with 225/45x17 tyres are in the shed too and I did a quick side by side comparison.

RS2 OE wheel and tyre in the foreground, A4 OE wheel and tyre behind. As you can see the width and profile look very similar:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4311/35907219425_54f36df0d9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGZTm6)

A4 on the left, RS2 on the right:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/35907219805_ecbcf525a3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGZTsD)

Anyway, four of the Porsche Cup RS2 wheels are in for a full strip, and refurb at Arrow Wheels. It isn't cheap for the full treatment but it's an RS2 and they are Porsche Cups, so I guess it's worth it. At 18 years old they probably have a few coats of paint on them by now. Should have wheels back mid next week.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4283/35098260753_8493cc5db1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VtvL7M)

And I picked up 4 Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 2s in 225/45x17 at a cracking price. They are superb on the RS4 so no doubt they will be just as good on the RS2:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4206/35098261083_fae1955903_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VtvLdt)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4313/35907221585_5b54d22a65_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGZTZk)

I've hopefully got some suspension on the way, might need to make a phone call tonight to check it's the right kit though. Is anyone aware of any changes to the suspension made during the production run of the RS2? That's the only thing that's got me a bit worried at the moment - that it won't fit!

Looks like I'm going to be slightly over budget on getting all the bits and pieces sorted, but I can see some light at the end of the tunnel and will gladly pull my head in soon and give my poor wallet a rest!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: John Stone on November 19, 2013, 08:33:31 pm
Looks like I'm going to be slightly over budget on getting all the bits and pieces sorted, but I can see some light at the end of the tunnel and will gladly pull my head in soon and give my poor wallet a rest!

Hahaha... I said that about 14 years ago with the quattro ::)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 19, 2013, 10:37:00 pm
Awsome Jon.

Whats makes you think changes to the suspension made during the production run?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on November 20, 2013, 06:38:26 am
Hahaha... I said that about 14 years ago with the quattro ::)

and I keep hoping that there is an actual light and its not just a mirage!

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Bullseye on November 20, 2013, 07:57:38 am
and I keep hoping that there is an actual light and its not just a mirage!

The light is from the glow of a big TURBO.

Great work, the car looked very nice at Brodies!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 05, 2013, 10:35:58 pm
Got the wheels back from Arrow today  >:D

I'm not sure these will appeal to the purist but I think they look pretty special.

I'm looking forward to dropping the suspension 30mm or so as well as I think that will make quite a difference. The kit should be here next week but unfortunately that is now too late to get it certed this year. So alas I will probably wait until January to do it now.

Pics of the wheels:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4280/35067456744_842df48756_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VqMTab)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/35775697761_dc590043ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvnNxc)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4208/35067457814_40abaca7fd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VqMTtC)

On a more sombre note, I saw this in the driver's footwell this afternoon:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4213/35775698611_8ceeb062b4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvnNMR)

I did wash the car the other day and it hasn't been driven for a week or so (was protected from the heavy rain today so shouldn't be that). I have done a bit of a google and it seems a common problem but with various causes. Is this the most likely you think?: http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/92899.phtml (http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/92899.phtml)

Edit: The Porsche cups with tyres weigh 4kg a corner less than the Cayenne wheels with tyres - so that's going to make a big difference to the way they car drives.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 05, 2013, 10:58:21 pm
I quite like what a this Germany RS2 owner I know did with his wheels:

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/RicosRS2_zps346239b0.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Golfboy666gti/media/RicosRS2_zps346239b0.jpg.html)

What suspension are you planning on using Jon?

That kink could be your water leak, though that does seem a fair bit of water.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 06, 2013, 08:00:40 am
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What suspension are you planning on using Jon?
KW V3
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 06, 2013, 08:11:29 am
KW V3

Nice
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on December 06, 2013, 12:45:46 pm

On a more sombre note, I saw this in the driver's footwell this afternoon:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_2796.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_2796.jpg.html)


Welcome to old car ownership!  :) Water where it shouldn't be seems to be par for the course.

Wheels look really good - I'd love to see someone do some really nice aftermarket wheels for an RS2 in NZ, or bigger Porsche wheels for an OEM+ type look - but that's just me.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 06, 2013, 01:10:11 pm
Jon, I hope you dont mind me putting these here.

Phil, Cup 1's look so good on an RS2, but if an opportunity came up Id look an doing something different, its just so expensive to get matching ET and width 5x130 wheels.

Here are a couple of my likes:

OZ wheels:

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/923dc2cdbd8c4d4247ccbde3c60852af_zpsb5dd997e.jpg)

Not sure what these are:

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/1aafd48fe6f571edea9ba790df0a651b_zpsd0fad96f.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on December 06, 2013, 01:46:33 pm
I hear what you're saying - I would argue it's not too difficult to find good wheels in 5x130 fitment, but you're right offsets aren't likely to be ideal for RS2s (assuming they're in the more normal +35ish range?).

Those OZ do look amazing and I think the bottom ones are Artec Turbo P's.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 06, 2013, 02:52:39 pm
I hear what you're saying - I would argue it's not too difficult to find good wheels in 5x130 fitment, but you're right offsets aren't likely to be ideal for RS2s (assuming they're in the more normal +35ish range?).

Those OZ do look amazing and I think the bottom ones are Artec Turbo P's.

RS2's are ET52. Interesting this is that RS2 Cup 1's are 7 inches wide, but S2 wheels are 7.5 inches wide.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 06, 2013, 10:29:35 pm
RS2's are ET52. Interesting this is that RS2 Cup 1's are 7 inches wide, but S2 wheels are 7.5 inches wide.
Same as the stock wheel width of our B5 A4. Bit skinny for a high performance car aren't they. I would like to run some light weight, wider 18s at some stage, but I'm more than happy with what I have for now.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: schattenblau on December 07, 2013, 12:04:02 pm
These too wide ?

18x9" ET52 5x130 ?

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7950/bbssportdesignabove.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on December 07, 2013, 04:12:07 pm
I think something a bit more in keeping with the period of the car would be cool. Like some wider Cup, or along the lines of what Nik posted. Again, only personal opinion of course - each to their own and all that.  :)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 07, 2013, 05:20:28 pm
These too wide ?

18x9" ET52 5x130 ?

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7950/bbssportdesignabove.jpg)

The sliver RS2 that I posted yesterday is mean to have 9,25"x18" ET 49 wheels with stretched tyres. I dont see how the that works with how close the wheel and tyres are to the rear suspension arm.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 07, 2013, 06:14:09 pm
The sliver RS2 that I posted yesterday is mean to have 9,25"x18" ET 49 wheels with stretched tyres. I dont see how the that works with how close the wheel and tyres are to the rear suspension arm.
Yeah, I can barely get my finger behind the front tyre as it is. There seems to be no wriggle room to run anything much closer.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 07, 2013, 08:07:33 pm
Yeah, I can barely get my finger behind the front tyre as it is. There seems to be no wriggle room to run anything much closer.

MJH's RS2 has 5mm spacers just to fit the 245/40/17's (wrong modern size) so its super tight.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 07, 2013, 09:38:44 pm
So I figured out how the water got in. It's a bit embarrassing really so I'll just leave it at that. It was user error though!
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 07, 2013, 09:42:00 pm

I think something a bit more in keeping with the period of the car would be cool. Like some wider Cup, or along the lines of what Nik posted. Again, only personal opinion of course - each to their own and all that.  :)
Phil I do agree with you, although there are times when a modern wheel does appeal. I don't think those previous cayenne wheels I had worked all that well though. Having said that my wife preferred them to the OE cups.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 80 Vert on December 07, 2013, 10:19:45 pm
Car is looking great Jon and good that it's now in enthusiast hands as well.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 08, 2013, 09:37:45 am
Car is looking great Jon and good that it's now in enthusiast hands as well.
Thanks John :D  The previous owner was also an enthusiast but obviously not in the habit of posting on this forum. He did pretty much all the work on it himself.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 08, 2013, 09:38:11 am
I might run some spacers on my RS2. What are my options?

CB for RS2 is 73.1. Porsche is typically 71.6 or thereabouts. Do I need to get 71.6 and then get the CB machined out to 73.1?

I've spotted these on TM: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/wheels-tyres/other/auction-669066722.htm (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/wheels-tyres/other/auction-669066722.htm)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 80 Vert on December 08, 2013, 10:27:23 am
Yes, I can do that for you
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 08, 2013, 12:23:03 pm
Yes, I can do that for you
Hey thanks John, that's great. I'll get in touch when I've sorted some.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 11:34:40 am
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Yes, I can do that for you

Ended up getting custom spacers made locally (5mm and 3mm). Unfortunately the car felt sketchy as, so I've taken them off again. I suspect the hub centring ring wasn't sticking out enough to centre the wheels properly (not a fault of the manufacturer as spacers of this size don't have hub centring rings).

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4312/35907001385_9bc9b32b12_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGYLwM)

eBay's been getting a bit of a hammering recently. A few parts as well as some memorabilia I've picked up...

Pagid rear disks:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4322/35775459871_026be22456_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvmzPD)

Ferodo premier pads (rear):
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4259/35775460131_5095d08445_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvmzU8)

New OEM badges. There appear to be both for grill, but anyone know if one can be 'modified' to fit the rear?:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4215/35737501002_5801c6d7f1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws12Yo)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4318/35775461091_8213f88cfa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvmAbF)

Teeshirt:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4232/35775461231_c1c747c328_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WvmAe6)

Original RS2 sales brochure (UK):
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4239/35737501412_713d0571bd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws136s)

Spec sheet:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4212/35737501472_d78de1a302_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws137u)

Exogear mount for 8 inch tablet (Toshiba Encore 8 running Windows full version), with Link ECU software. Not a permanent installation, just for occasional fun. The software allows fully customised gauge displays. Pretty cool:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4211/35737501662_67a62615c4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ws13aL)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: slowburn on February 06, 2014, 11:42:04 am
ran into the same spacer problem on the coupe as the centering flange on the hub wasn't long enough  to gain a good purchase on the wheel center.I am trying to figure a work around in the form of a stepped down tube that fits the inside of the hub flange and steps up to being the same diameter as the flange for the wheel to center on.... I don't know if it'll work or be approved for safety reasons....just trying to think outside the box....
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 11:45:14 am
ran into the same spacer problem on the coupe as the centering flange on the hub wasn't long enough  to gain a good purchase on the wheel center.I am trying to figure a work around in the form of a stepped down tube that fits the inside of the hub flange and steps up to being the same diameter as the flange for the wheel to center on.... I don't know if it'll work or be approved for safety reasons....just trying to think outside the box....
That sounds like quite a good solution potentially. Certification is another matter I suspect!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: slowburn on February 06, 2014, 11:54:53 am
i'll post up a pic if i get them fab'ed up,i think i will because i love my ronal r8s and can't bare the thought of not ever running them again
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on February 06, 2014, 01:51:03 pm
nice shopping spree!  those badges are the same ones I got and Armstrongs didn't have a prob putting them on so they must be easy....
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 06, 2014, 05:03:05 pm
Ended up getting custom spacers made locally (5mm and 3mm). Unfortunately the car felt sketchy as, so I've taken them off again. I suspect the hub centring ring wasn't sticking out enough to centre the wheels properly (not a fault of the manufacturer as spacers of this size don't have hub centring rings).

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8267.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8267.jpg.html)

eBay's been getting a bit of a hammering recently. A few parts as well as some memorabilia I've picked up...

Pagid rear disks:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_3077.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_3077.jpg.html)

Ferodo premier pads (rear):
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8313.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8313.jpg.html)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8317.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8317.jpg.html)

New OEM badges. There appear to be both for grill, but anyone know if one can be 'modified' to fit the rear?:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8319.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8319.jpg.html)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8320.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8320.jpg.html)

Teeshirt:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8436.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8436.jpg.html)

Original RS2 sales brochure (UK):
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8439.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8439.jpg.html)

Spec sheet:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_8579.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_8579.jpg.html)

Exogear mount for 8 inch tablet (Toshiba Encore 8 running Windows full version), with Link ECU software. Not a permanent installation, just for occasional fun. The software allows fully customised gauge displays. Pretty cool:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_3207.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_3207.jpg.html)

What did the rear discs and pads cost Jon?

As for the rear badge, they dont make them anymore. You have to break off the pins and use double sided tap.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 05:57:23 pm

What did the rear discs and pads cost Jon?

As for the rear badge, they dont make them anymore. You have to break off the pins and use double sided tap.
Pads £27.50 + £15 shipping (actually got RS4 pads as well and the shipping was £15 for both sets)
Disks (pair) £84 + £50 shipping
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 06, 2014, 06:01:19 pm
Pads £27.50 + £15 shipping (actually got RS4 pads as well and the shipping was £15 for both sets)
Disks (pair) £84 + £50 shipping

Thats cheap. Do you have links?
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 06:11:33 pm
Yes can post up when have access to PC. The shipping of the discs was super quick but the pads took about a month! I run the Ferodo Premiers on the front of the RS4 (rear still OE) and I can't fault them. Well except no pad sensors for the front pads on the 4 so some faffing about with wiring required. RS2 doesn't have sensors anyway so all good.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 08:13:50 pm
Pads: http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url]]]http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url] (http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url=http://)[/url]

Discs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDI-80-RS2-QUATTRO-94-95-Pagid-52613-Rear-299mm-Vented-Brake-Disc-/300986330210?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item46142eec62 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDI-80-RS2-QUATTRO-94-95-Pagid-52613-Rear-299mm-Vented-Brake-Disc-/300986330210?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item46142eec62)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 08:18:52 pm
A better image of the Toshiba in place (need anti-glare screen protector!):
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4209/35089079903_3d18535b1d_b.jpg)

Mount (sorry about the focus):
[url=https://flic.kr/p/WGeDkt](https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4266/35898587365_dc999cf5fc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VsGGYg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2014, 08:21:38 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/35767014191_9407a2a23a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuBidt)

TP on the right = throttle position.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 07, 2014, 08:53:58 pm
Pads: http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url=http://]]http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url]]]]http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url] (http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAR-Ferodo-Brake-Disc-Pads-Audi-80-RS2-quattro-Estate-8C-B4-1991-1996-/270998765179?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f18c8fe7b[url=http://)[/url]

Discs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDI-80-RS2-QUATTRO-94-95-Pagid-52613-Rear-299mm-Vented-Brake-Disc-/300986330210?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item46142eec62 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDI-80-RS2-QUATTRO-94-95-Pagid-52613-Rear-299mm-Vented-Brake-Disc-/300986330210?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item46142eec62)

Thanks.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on October 02, 2014, 09:30:27 am
Out with the old...

And all the way from Sofia, Bulgaria, in with the old but in much better condition...

And only cost me $100 incl shipping :)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 04, 2014, 11:25:01 pm
Just to put the following in context, here a link to a thread detailing my efforts to get KW adjustable suspension certified for use on my car: http://www.vask.org.nz/index.php/topic,38317.0.html (http://www.vask.org.nz/index.php/topic,38317.0.html)

Operation 'legalise'...

Last pics of her on the KW's:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/35766814361_2a6050ec73_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuAgP8)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4320/35510317510_da35412508_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6VEeC)

Up:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/35728716452_fa7547d8be_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wre1CC)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4289/35728716612_dd4470583c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wre1Fo)

3 of 4 removed:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4242/35766815161_6e7ac5570b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuAh3V)

New stuff (Koni, H&R):
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4260/35510318100_bbc11f906a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6VEpN)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4218/35728716902_99fdf817d3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wre1Lo)

Ready to go in (thanks Cameron):
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4291/35766815521_735184e6a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuAha8)

Left rear in:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4233/35088809833_59d3fcae6e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VsFjFT)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4311/35766815991_fde3f4c54c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuAhie)

Etc etc...
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 04, 2014, 11:34:30 pm
First pics on the new suspension, waiting for WOF 20 mins after getting wheels back on:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4233/35510228470_96131c93ec_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6VcLs)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4237/35728609342_47df303ee4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WrdsMU)

Passed!:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4234/35058452824_a738dfebe2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VpZJBb)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 04, 2014, 11:40:54 pm
A few better pics, including some with her younger sister:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4300/35898066875_f10bf572e8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGbYBv)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35857278066_5e29b44d38_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCzVwb)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4253/35728486952_a9fe0b78fc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WrcQpJ)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4282/35728487262_746f714013_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WrcQv5)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/35857278816_9b1780dd64_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCzVK7)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4230/35857279036_a217c0b99b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCzVNU)

Oh and the wheel alignment report:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4313/35728487572_3ac6226c73_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WrcQAq)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 04, 2014, 11:54:21 pm
To do list (it never really gets any shorter!):
- service
- headlining fixed
- repaint callipers
- possibly swap back to std fogs and front indicators
- remove a couple of minor dings, get paint sorted again (spent a bit of time under a car cover and didn't like it much)
- new factory style floor mats
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on December 05, 2014, 08:10:24 am
Still looking great. I love these cars!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 05, 2014, 10:04:17 am
Awesome Jon. You must now be happy? 8 or so months of drama you didnt require.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Poonmobile on December 05, 2014, 10:38:38 am
Love it


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Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 05, 2014, 02:34:01 pm

Awesome Jon. You must now be happy? 8 or so months of drama you didnt require.
Absolutely. If only I had known before I ordered the KWs. I was on the fence between the 2 kits to start with, so it could have gone either way. Steep learning curve!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 06, 2014, 07:55:07 am
Absolutely. If only I had known before I ordered the KWs. I was on the fence between the 2 kits to start with, so it could have gone either way. Steep learning curve!

I guess because the design of the front suspension no other brands of coilovers will get a cert in NZ?
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 06, 2014, 10:49:16 am
Well spooln had H&R coilovers on his RS2 from memory but perhaps they use the OEM front struts with them? Either that or the standards have changed at some point?
Title: Re: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Stanceking on December 06, 2014, 12:47:36 pm
Well spooln had H&R coilovers on his RS2 from memory but perhaps they use the OEM front struts with them? Either that or the standards have changed at some point?
Yep just modified oem struts. Kw move the arm for better geometry when lower
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 06, 2014, 08:10:39 pm
Well spooln had H&R coilovers on his RS2 from memory but perhaps they use the OEM front struts with them? Either that or the standards have changed at some point?

I dont know if he ever got a cert? I believe that set of coilovers is in my Fathers old RS2.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 25, 2014, 05:00:43 pm
Turned tacho sweep on (ECU function):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyBMF0KtDEk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyBMF0KtDEk)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on December 25, 2014, 08:47:12 pm
Turned tacho sweep on (ECU function):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyBMF0KtDEk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyBMF0KtDEk)

nice!

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Stickman on February 07, 2015, 11:09:19 am
After going on about how I can't see the massive appeal of the RS2 in a previous thread a month or so ago...I have found myself looking for one on Pistonheads.com more googling them more often and even looking at what's available on Pistonheads.
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 07, 2015, 12:55:33 pm
Wait till you drive one ;) If you are floating around AKL tomorrow come to Concourse for a look/chat. That's assuming you are not already coming to show your own car?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Stickman on February 07, 2015, 02:17:06 pm
Wait till you drive one ;) If you are floating around AKL tomorrow come to Concourse for a look/chat. That's assuming you are not already coming to show your own car?

Will see how the day ends up panning out. Have mountains of work to do before Monday...boring but necessary. Haha...definitely won't be showing the RS4 at Concours...haven't had time to give it a good clean for a couple of weeks and I need to get the front bumper resprayed - the downside of buying a car that did most of it's prior mileage (all 60k kms) on the open road, so many stone chips! Looks immaculate from every other angle except the front!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on February 08, 2015, 08:39:22 am
After going on about how I can't see the massive appeal of the RS2 in a previous thread a month or so ago...I have found myself looking for one on Pistonheads.com more googling them more often and even looking at what's available on Pistonheads.

What happened?  Did you fall and hit your head?   :D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: rambo_005 on February 08, 2015, 08:50:04 am
I'm firmly of the belief they are just an Audi 80 with a different bumper... ::)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: spooln on February 08, 2015, 05:39:51 pm
I dont know if he ever got a cert? I believe that set of coilovers is in my Fathers old RS2.

was certed, no issues, complete strut replacement,  but went back to factory  in the black car. Not sure of cert status of them in the blue car.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Stickman on February 08, 2015, 08:36:49 pm
What happened?  Did you fall and hit your head?   :D

I don't know. Kind of cool in a retro way. Seeing this one kind of helped. (http://srv2.betterparts.org/images/audi-rs2-02.jpg)
Title: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 14, 2015, 11:44:46 pm
Boost fun and games:

My car has had  'on boost' issues since the day I test drove it. Always up for a challenge I bought it anyway. It never felt quite right on WOT, until now that is!

A week or so ago I had it on the rollers at Torque Performance. Over boosting they said. Good, finally I had something to go on. They suspected a sticking waste gate actuator. The good news: the fuelling was spot on.

I decided to do some research. First I had to try and figure out what was trying to be achieved WRT boost control.

My car has been set up differently to stock 20V i5s in that it has a line going to the upper wastewater connector, as well as the lower. In stock cars the line to the lower chamber bleeds off pressure via the N75 valve to regulate boost. My car also runs a MAC waste gate frequency valve (WGFV) - an aftermarket version of the N75.

After I got my car I swapped the aftermarket blow off valve with a factory DV, connecting it the same way the aftermarket valve had been fitted. I remember looking at the plumbing to/from the waste gate and DV and going ???

This is how it went:
MAC WGFV:
Port 1 connects to crank case (plenum chamber line)
Port 2 connects to upper wastegate
Port 3 connects to bypass/DV valve

Wastegate
Upper port connects to WGFV port 2
Lower port connects to turbo compressor

Anyway, I did some research and found this:
https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CDkQFjAK&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.efihardware.com%2Fdownload%2F51%2FBoost-Control-Valve-MAC-Diagram&ei=OAgEVYy1MpP78QXzjoFY&usg=AFQjCNEMwr423524EMbTaXWNzWFyvotbXA&sig2=8tPYeW88ANBJQXVMNKYXrQ&bvm=bv.88198703,d.dGc

And it says (for dual port method), don't block port 3. Well having port 3 connected to the DV is effectively blocking it because air under pressure cannot flow throw the nipple. Right, could be onto something.

Also found this:
http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiclub.fi%2Faudifinns%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D7497%26d%3D1286058950&ei=2QcEVdf5D8jz8gXztIDoAg&usg=AFQjCNGLEVD-SWFatGUiBCj2hnDjP45JsA&sig2=nBoU1sa-Q9LhypbtZezxuA&bvm=bv.88198703,d.dGc

Seeing as I had all the basic set up already and the car was tuned for dual port waste gate control , I decided to go for Alternative A. The main advantage over the stock setup is less/no waste gate creep during spool up. New plumbing looks like this:

MAC WGFV:
Port 1 connects to compressor outlet via T-fitting ($10 from Repco)
Port 2 connects to upper wastegate
Port 3 plugged into MAF-Turbo flexible hose

Wastegate:
Upper port connects to WGFV port 2
Lower port connects to turbo compressor

DV/Recirculation valve connects to crank case (plenum chamber boost/vacuum line) - thanks Anton

A couple of snaps:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/35857126836_12912e2beb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCz9yL)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4238/35857127036_3cf1f9f569_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCz9Cd)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4286/35766510841_e7c8da10a7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuyHA2)

Anyway, I hooked up the tablet and look it for a drive. The car was totally transformed. Smooth, fast and that 5 pot warble on boost - all good. It made 1.1 bar boost, so I incrementally tweaked the waste gate duty cycle in the map until I got the desired boost of 1.36 bar.

Here's a before and after log. You can see in the before log slow spool up and then over boost. Now it's very smooth and spool up much quicker. I have one more very small tweak to the duty cycle to try next time I drive it.

Before:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4290/35857127076_4aae57249e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCz9CU)

After:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4265/35897611685_c2c1b9d27a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WG9Dip)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: VW'n on March 15, 2015, 08:46:11 am
Nice work.
It always feels good when you solve the puzzle.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: beeker on March 15, 2015, 09:22:48 am
you are a smarter man than me !
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 16, 2015, 07:46:48 pm
Back in April the temporary carport I had set up for the car got lifted up in gusty winds and then fell on the car scratching multiple panels  :(
Most of the damage was superficial but the paint was in bad shape. Here are examples of some of the damage:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/266/18799499782_a6da8bfd51_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uDfmjA) (https://flic.kr/p/uDfmjA)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/424/18777789556_b462b3acca_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uBk5Cm) (https://flic.kr/p/uBk5Cm)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/258/18616381940_3a662514b1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/un4PLq) (https://flic.kr/p/un4PLq)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

After sounding out Grant at GT Refinishers I decided to pay the difference between the insurance and the cost of a full respray (glass and trim out). I thought his pricing was very reasonable. Grant and his team (including a vasker!) got started on it 3 weeks ago. I also asked Grant to paint the brake callipers for me. Here are a few 'in progress' shots:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5575/18666147130_6502521fd7_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ursTdW) (https://flic.kr/p/ursTdW)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5447/18853595945_24f4b34476_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uJ2Be4) (https://flic.kr/p/uJ2Be4)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5328/18856345861_2c243dfdc7_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uJgGFp) (https://flic.kr/p/uJgGFp)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/436/18812853761_29128ae5f5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uEqMZB) (https://flic.kr/p/uEqMZB)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/359/18189610293_d190eccdac_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tHmvqz) (https://flic.kr/p/tHmvqz)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/538/18810250065_420564a88d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uEcs1i) (https://flic.kr/p/uEcs1i)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/262/18189619343_65171ce7b8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tHmy7B) (https://flic.kr/p/tHmy7B)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/419/18784011046_7f65256dc1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uBSY4q) (https://flic.kr/p/uBSY4q)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

I got the car back yesterday and it looks pretty good! I will take it back in next week to get a few minor things tidied up, but all in all a great job. Pics I took this morning and this arvo:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5470/18227465434_0a5ac61cac_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLGwrq)  (https://flic.kr/p/tLGwrq)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5577/18823823436_543a8d0b1c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uFp1TW)  (https://flic.kr/p/uFp1TW)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3722/18661713548_f99c408310_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ur5agS)  (https://flic.kr/p/ur5agS)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5598/18823126696_7b8c1941b0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uFkrMb)  (https://flic.kr/p/uFkrMb)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5557/18850021915_b1796b60b0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uHHhMR) (https://flic.kr/p/uHHhMR)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5576/18227382454_4ba78f28c8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLG6LJ) (https://flic.kr/p/tLG6LJ)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5530/18228997413_c4dca42c1a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLQnQR) (https://flic.kr/p/tLQnQR)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5495/18227056184_b449c6e14b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLEqMo) (https://flic.kr/p/tLEqMo)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5487/18663476099_a57e3b75d1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/urecdF) (https://flic.kr/p/urecdF)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5517/18227323264_a27ba5149d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tLFNbd) (https://flic.kr/p/tLFNbd)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)




Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on June 16, 2015, 07:53:28 pm
Very nice! Love the bonnet shot.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 16, 2015, 08:01:14 pm
One more for good luck :)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5335/18662301450_e3a1ed74fe_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ur8b37)  (https://flic.kr/p/ur8b37)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133865632@N07/)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on June 16, 2015, 08:43:50 pm
It looks awesome Jon.

The third RS2 to have a full respray within 6 months.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on June 16, 2015, 08:46:47 pm
It looks awesome Jon.

The third RS2 to have a full respray within 6 months.

Agreed!  It looks awesome!  I should get my A into G and post the shots of my car through the process.  Speaking of which, the parts arrived from Germany and the cars back in on Monday.  Sigh...
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 80 Vert on June 16, 2015, 08:53:23 pm
Nice job, looks great!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: M M on June 16, 2015, 11:12:14 pm
That hood looks like a mirror. Good job as usual from them.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 89 Coupe on June 16, 2015, 11:44:49 pm
yum yum yum  ;D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: spooln on June 17, 2015, 07:57:39 am
Wow paint.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Smacca on June 17, 2015, 09:26:16 pm
Looks good! It was really cool working on this, such an amazing car.

(http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad230/tyleryoung311/17EDFEB3-927E-415B-8475-600224A96C82_zpsv17rykmn.jpg) (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/tyleryoung311/media/17EDFEB3-927E-415B-8475-600224A96C82_zpsv17rykmn.jpg.html)

This was taken straight off the gun, before any cutting or polishing.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 17, 2015, 10:02:34 pm
Nice one, thanks Tyler.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Stickman on June 17, 2015, 10:11:49 pm
Great looking car in black like that!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on September 17, 2015, 08:02:48 pm
I've just completed a TFSI coil conversion on the RS2. This conversion eliminates the Power Output Stages and uses modern TFSI coils. It's plug and play (if you get a conversion harness) so no cutting of wires and completely reversible. I bought the harness from a company in Europe and the coils from Amazon. If anyone is interested in the harness I can point them in the right direction. They do a harness for the 2.7TT engine as well. I bought the coils recommended by 034 motorsport, 07K 905 715F, which are not the fancy red top coils but hey ho.

The goodies
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4278/35857038736_554b9431e6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCyGnN)

After install
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4241/35857039046_973acb2063_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCyGt9)

I've not driven the car yet, but it ticked over and revved very cleanly during the warm up cycle so that's a good sign! It would be quite nice to reinstall the stock coil cover but I will wait to make sure all is well with the current installation.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on September 19, 2015, 12:45:59 pm
Been for a short drive just now. Subjectively the car is running smoother than before and doesn't labour as much when burbling along at low revs eg 6th gear 55kph. Did only one brief WOT in 2nd gear - super smooth acceleration and no hesitation. Looking foward to trying it in 3rd or 4th at some point (need 100kph limit for that though). So far I'd say well worth the change to TFSI coils. Will report further! Somewhat tempted to do the RS4 now. Mustn't get ahead of myself!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on September 20, 2015, 08:00:25 pm
I very carefully removed the OE coils from the coil cover today:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4235/35856904306_aae6237076_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCy1q3)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4239/35897737905_f84a071214_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGahPB)

Should be fairly straight forward to refit if I want to.

I rearranged the TFSI coils so that the wires routed nicely and I could pop the original coil cover back on:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4214/35897743995_f8c379aea6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGajCB)

All done:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4284/35728207172_1d10e0fdd8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WrbpeW)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4308/35728213422_25a2c72829_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wrbr6G)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on September 20, 2015, 08:01:29 pm
Very neat!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on September 21, 2015, 08:10:05 am
Been for a short drive just now. Subjectively the car is running smoother than before and doesn't labour as much when burbling along at low revs eg 6th gear 55kph. Did only one brief WOT in 2nd gear - super smooth acceleration and no hesitation. Looking foward to trying it in 3rd or 4th at some point (need 100kph limit for that though). So far I'd say well worth the change to TFSI coils. Will report further! Somewhat tempted to do the RS4 now. Mustn't get ahead of myself!

It will be interesting it see if you get anymore power? Also, is there a chase the fuel economy can improve?
 
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 02, 2015, 01:19:45 pm
Latest addition :) Becker 7992 with Bluetooth. Bought brand new off Amazon.de. They are NLA but still a few floating around.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4312/35856867666_a47c446663_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCxPwj)

Just installed by Rapid Radio in Newton. Very progressional job. Happy!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 02, 2015, 08:09:44 pm
Latest addition :) Becker 7992 with Bluetooth. Bought brand new off Amazon.de. They are NLA but still a few floating around.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_4299.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_4299.jpg.html)

Just installed by Rapid Radio in Newton. Very progressional job. Happy!

Looks great Jon. Does it have a USB plug? A microphone?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 02, 2015, 08:24:03 pm
Thanks Nik, I think it looks like a factory radio which is just what I wanted. Installer told me Becker make the best radios in the world so that's a plus!

Mic yes, so full hands free using the bluetooth connection to your phone. You can dial numbers using the head unit if you want to. iPod connection kit is an option but I don't have it unfortunately. Was hoping to pick one up. Haven't tried to stream music via bluetooth using the phone but will give it a try some time. It does read MP3 CDs so that's an option for having a reasonable selection of music on 1 or more discs. Pretty old school nowadays though.

Here are a couple of pics where I've tried to capture the good match with the car gauge lighting:
(https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_4304.jpg) (https://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_4304.jpg.html)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_4306.jpg~original) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_4306.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on November 02, 2015, 08:56:16 pm
Looks great! 
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2015, 07:31:15 am
Thanks John :)

Just bought a 30 pin iPod connection kit from eBay for $15 incl shipping - Chinese obviously at that price, but worth a shot and better than faffing around with MP3 CDs.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/urEAAOSwBahU2H9o/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: M M on November 04, 2015, 09:20:58 am
I like that radio. Suits it well.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 23, 2015, 05:16:33 pm
Car freshly serviced by Brodie European with new WOF for the summer :)

Factory fog lights fitted. I was planning to do it myself by the wiring for the connectors was beyond me. Turned out the bumper had been modified slightly for the aftermarket fogs which made getting the factory fogs to fit properly a real pain.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4209/35057947664_426c97d911_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VpX9rw)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 23, 2015, 07:54:20 pm
Car freshly serviced by Brodie European with new WOF for the summer :)

Factory fog lights fitted. I was planning to do it myself by the wiring for the connectors was beyond me. Turned out the bumper had been modified slightly for the aftermarket fogs which made getting the factory fogs to fit properly a real pain.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_4741a.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_4741a.jpg.html)

Looking good Jon.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on December 24, 2015, 06:09:31 pm
Looking good Jon.

Ditto!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 29, 2016, 10:47:29 am
Just an update on the iPod connector. Good news - it works! It's a 'dumb' interface though so you can't control the iPod from the head unit. You can get Becker iPod interfaces that will do that, but relatively pricey so won't bother at this stage.

Thanks John :)

Just bought a 30 pin iPod connection kit from eBay for $15 incl shipping - Chinese obviously at that price, but worth a shot and better than faffing around with MP3 CDs.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/urEAAOSwBahU2H9o/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 20, 2016, 10:46:35 pm
Warning, this is boring! After taking in some advice from a very experienced Audi tuner in Europe who is on s2forum, I decided last November to start re-tuning the boost control solenoid using the wastegate duty cycle map in the link ECU.

I started with low boost pressure, setting the maximum boost target to 0.5 bar of boost. I would take some logs and make adjustments until I was getting very close to boost target at full throttle. I also learned how intake air temps have a significant impact on boost pressure for a given boost solenoid setting and made adjustments there as well using a compensation map. The gear the car is in also impacts on the boost pressure achieved - maximum pressure occurs in 4th gear for a given boost solenoid duty cycle. Anyway, I moved onto higher pressures (0.8 bar, 1.0 bar, 1.1 bar, 1.2 bar, 1.3 bar and 1.4 bar). That took a few months of driving the car but fortunately all I needed could be achieved within the speed limit (just, ahem). I then returned the maximum boost target to 1.36 bar as tuned by STM.

Finally, I set up the closed loop boost control to allow the requested boost to be consistently achieved in any gear (1st is an exception as it won't quite hit full boost in 1st with maximum duty cycle). There are several variables in the Link ECU coding for this, but the main ones are: P=proportional gain and is proportional to the boost target error; I=integral gain and is proportional to the boost target error and time away from the target; and D=derivative gain and is proportional to the rate of change of error. Essentially P is used to help get to the target value and I is used to correct accumulated or sustained error. D is used to help prevent target overshoot. Closed loop boost control uses 3 phases. Phase 1 is applying 90% duty cycle to the boost solenoid during spool up until within a set amount of the boost target (mine is set at 0.5 bar). Phase 2 then begins which applies the P and D variables to the boost solenoid depending on error and rate of change until with 0.15 bar of the target. At that point a 0.3 second timer starts (this can also be varied to allow pressure to stabilise) at which point phase 3 boost control starts. This uses P and I to achieve and maintain the boost target. I played around extensively with the PID settings as they are called and ended up with the maximum value for P and 0 for D. I is working well at the typical value of 0.3.

The upshot is that the throttle response is great and the boost target is being achieved and maintained to within 0.5psi of the target pressure in all gears except for 1st.

The logging function of the Link is great (both on board ECU logging and PC logging are supported). Below are some screen grabs of spool up runs I did recently. The values on the right coincide with the position of the vertical yellow line. You can see the PID corrections to the boost solenoid at the bottom of the list.

2nd gear:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4287/35897611515_00bb9ea59f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WG9Dft)

3rd gear:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4209/35728067302_4cd826be6c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WraFEo)

No doubt there will be more small tweaks to come, but I think I've got the boost control on this thing pretty well nailed. And man this 5 pot engine is sublime when it's on boost.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 20, 2016, 11:05:18 pm
A few recent snaps at home:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4287/35051233264_8b74e028a5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VpmJu1)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4206/35081597943_bf39d0b98a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vs3mQX)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4299/35081598313_bd44461f15_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vs3mXk)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4296/35502973780_6c19571691_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6h2cA)

I don't think the Audi 80 avant is the prettiest car Audi has made by a long shot, but the RS2 looks quite special with all the Porsche touches.
 
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Poonmobile on March 21, 2016, 12:09:28 am
brilliant as always... is there a build thread for your B5?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on March 21, 2016, 08:12:00 am
Nice!  Awesome work on the ECU and great pics :D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 21, 2016, 09:12:19 am
Thanks guys, always good to get some feedback  :). Ash to answer your question, no not as such. There have been a few posts about various things I've done with it but I don't have a thread all tied together like this one for the B5. I have been thinking about getting my act together on that. I'm away from home this week, so ironically I'll probably be able to find the time to start it! The B5 has been a bit of an adventure at times too!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 21, 2016, 08:40:46 pm
One of the very marginal benefits of doing shift work is having to drive around in the middle of the night some times, which means hardly any traffic. This is a log I pulled off the ECU - 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear pull (not launched - I never launch it). The ECU has on-board logging, which is pretty cool.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4282/35502931000_ee05748a0e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6gNu1)

The car is going really well - hitting target boost almost perfectly every time. You can see the 'lag' in the time it takes to hit full boost it 1st gear - just on 2 seconds from full throttle. Like they say in the PH article - the RS2 still feels properly fast even by modern standards, but it's got an old school turbo feel about it's power delivery. Would like to get the cold start and warm up tweaked, but it's good enough. Would also like wideband O2 so I can log the mixture as well. In an ideal world I'd rather have it running perfectly on a factory ECU, but seeing the ongoing tail chasing to find lost boost that often goes on with that, I have to say I'm very happy with what I've got. The Link is pretty simple in terms of sensor requirements, which makes it very robust and reliable. The flexibility for logging and tweaking just appeals to my inner geek I suppose. I don't feel any need to turn up the boost (which I would do professionally with a reputable tuner if I did) as it's already very strong and there's no point to spin the turbo faster if it's not necessary. I have to say Porsche got it right with this car. I think the B5 RS4 would have benefitted hugely from an extra couple of PSI and foregoing the very flat torque curve that makes it feel normally aspirated on the factory tune.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on June 25, 2016, 05:27:31 pm
Thats pretty cool Jon.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 20, 2016, 09:55:53 am
The RS2 had a birthday of sorts, one day before my daughter's 1st birthday:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4217/35502865580_d34c536e6b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6gt35)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/35849928056_c634629c10_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WBWfBS)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4295/35502865920_7d0ebd6f25_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6gt8W)

Any guesses on the location/road?

As much as I love the stance on the H&R springs I'm going to put the original springs back in. Just not enough compliance for the roads I like to use. The KWs were good though so I'm still  >:( about the LVVTAs position on them.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on July 20, 2016, 10:01:36 am
The RS2 had a birthday of sorts, one day before my daughter's 1st birthday:

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_9121.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_9121.jpg.html)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_5463.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_5463.jpg.html)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_5465.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_5465.jpg.html)

Any guesses on the location/road?

As much as I love the stance on the H&R springs I'm going to put the original springs back in. Just not enough compliance for the roads I like to use. The KWs were good though so I'm still  >:( about the LVVTAs position on them.

Does it bottom out Jon?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 20, 2016, 10:08:12 am
Does it bottom out Jon?
It does hit the bump stops on the front if it's a sharp bump. Edit: actually I don't think it's hitting the bump stops (just drove back home today), it just transmits sharp bumps through to the steering wheel. I think I set the dampers too soft for the springs too, and the only way to adjust them is to remove the suspension. I guess I could try that first and see how it goes. It's good on small undulations and bumps - soaks them up and keeps the car stable.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Audidude on August 04, 2016, 08:03:38 am

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/IMG_5465.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/IMG_5465.jpg.html)

Any guesses on the location/road?

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SH3  north of New Plymouth?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on August 04, 2016, 09:31:31 am
Te-Aroha-Gordon Road, near the middle of this map: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-37.6629149,175.808062,12z (https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-37.6629149,175.808062,12z) We usually stop off at Te Aroha for lunch on the way to the BOP.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: John Stone on August 04, 2016, 11:45:05 am
Te-Aroha-Gordon Road, near the middle of this map: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-37.6629149,175.808062,12z (https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-37.6629149,175.808062,12z) We usually stop off at Te Aroha for lunch on the way to the BOP.

Love that road - used to go to Vegas that way when the inlaws lived in Te Aroha
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Pushbutton_auto on August 05, 2016, 12:27:05 am
one of my spiritual roads, remember to pay your dues ...    8)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 07, 2016, 07:14:06 pm
Got the car back from service with Brodie European today. New factory RS2 cam belt, auxiliary belts etc and factory RS2 water pump. She's running like a swiss watch!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on December 08, 2016, 08:05:27 am
Track day, December 17th at HD......... Just sayin'  8)

Got the car back from service with Brodie European today. New factory RS2 cam belt, auxiliary belts etc and factory RS2 water pump. She's running like a swiss watch!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 08, 2016, 10:36:06 am
Got the car back from service with Brodie European today. New factory RS2 cam belt, auxiliary belts etc and factory RS2 water pump. She's running like a swiss watch!

Have you noticed a difference?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 08, 2016, 01:28:39 pm
Forgot to mention also has a new alternator. I've only driven home from the workshop but it seemed to run smoother at idle and initial pick up from idle felt crisper. Probably just less resistance with the new belts and ancillaries.

Phil: track day sounds like fun, but have a family commitment that day.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on January 02, 2017, 04:43:56 pm
Got the car back from service with Brodie European today. New factory RS2 cam belt, auxiliary belts etc and factory RS2 water pump. She's running like a swiss watch!


Yaye!

I just had new discs and pads all round before the Xmas trip up north.  Ouch...  But hopefully that'll see me right for a few years...
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 03, 2017, 11:26:12 am
She's not holding full boost at the moment. Going back in shortly to check for leaks. Could also be a failed cat in the exhaust?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 89 Coupe on January 05, 2017, 01:07:45 am
Could be, that's what happened to mine when boost dropped off
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 05, 2017, 09:53:39 am
Would be a good excuse for a decat if that's the problem.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: robh on January 06, 2017, 08:37:34 am
Not quite the same vehicle but my old T4 van wouldn't make full boost, spent ages fiddling around trying to work it out.

Ended up being a collapsed cat in exhaust.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 06, 2017, 12:31:02 pm
Thanks guys, will definitely get them look at that.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on January 07, 2017, 06:24:32 pm
She's not holding full boost at the moment. Going back in shortly to check for leaks. Could also be a failed cat in the exhaust?

Jon, are you going to gut the cat and reinstal or replace it with something else?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 08, 2017, 07:33:04 am
If the cat is damaged I'll get them to remove it I think, depending on what's involved.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 25, 2017, 06:33:14 pm
Got my missing boost back :) Was a loose intercooler hose.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4240/35759265671_09dc2f56e1_b.jpg)
 (https://flic.kr/p/WtVzRi)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on January 25, 2017, 09:30:41 pm
Got my missing boost back :) Was a loose intercooler hose.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/jon_henderson/Audi/Capture.png) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/jon_henderson/media/Audi/Capture.png.html)

Which hose Jon?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 26, 2017, 07:06:39 pm
Turbo to intercooler hose. Clamp to the intercooler not fully tight.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 04, 2017, 08:49:52 pm
The car has had lots of maintenance lately, all done at Brodie European:
- new OE cam belt and water pump (thanks again weta for sourcing this)
- new alternator
- new fuel pump
- new radiator
- 4 x new Michelin tyres
- annual service
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 26, 2017, 08:45:32 am
Article about my car: https://carsinterest.co.uk/readers-rides/audi-rs2-cool-wagon/ (https://carsinterest.co.uk/readers-rides/audi-rs2-cool-wagon/)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on March 26, 2017, 09:40:13 am
Article about my car: https://cars-interest.com/readers-rides/audi-rs2-cool-wagon/ (https://cars-interest.com/readers-rides/audi-rs2-cool-wagon/)

Nice one Jon.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Poonmobile on April 14, 2017, 05:30:43 pm
cool!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on April 14, 2017, 06:14:03 pm
Thanks guys. Someone approached me on a forum in the UK and I thought no harm!

The car now has a wideband o2 controller and closed loop knock control has also been set up using the factory knock sensors. There is still some wiring to tidy up so I haven't got it back yet. It's had a tune and is making another 50nm at the wheels, which should be pretty noticeable. Looking forward to taking it for a drive. All the work has been done by Dave at TuneTechnic.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on April 30, 2017, 07:58:08 pm
The car is back from Tune Technic. Really happy with what Dave has managed to do. It's now fitted with an ALM wideband O2 sensor and 4 bar map sensor. Knock control has been hooked up using the factory knock sensors and tuned to correctly retard ignition in the event of any knock.  And a speed input has been configured which allows me to run gear boost trim as well as set up speed lockouts for the idle speed control. He's fettled the tune to eek out a few more KW, now running peak boost of 1.6bar or 23psi, which is about the most you can get out of it with the factory waste gate spring. Best of all though, I've now got a rock solid ECU platform that is performing great and has useful safety features enabled. Dave now has a state of the art Mainline dyno which has allowed him to get back into working on aftermarket ECU platforms. He also does factory ECU tuning if that's your thing.

Dyno plot with before/after overlay:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4328/35050904134_07660fa9f7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vpk3Dm)
Screen shot, 4th gear, WOT:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4289/35081373853_5c1ce343a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vs2dek)

Edit: I forgot to mention the best bit of all  :P, a little switch under the dash allows me to switch between a low boost map and a high boost map.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Trofeo on May 01, 2017, 07:58:21 am
Like that switch will ever be used!!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on May 01, 2017, 12:40:21 pm
Copy that! I've set up 2nd low boost map that activates below 60 deg water temp which limits the boost to 0.8 bar. Should prevent me from getting me carried away when it's cold! So I've got a 0.8 bar warm up map, 1.4 bar 'factory' map and a 1.6 bar high boost map.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: GT4GrpANZnew on May 22, 2017, 08:53:46 pm
Wow  - very tastefully done

So with the Link more KW than standard ECU  ? ie 190KW atw what do you recon at the fly wheel ?

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on May 23, 2017, 01:53:19 am
The factory ECU is very capable but it's getting harder to find people who can tune them. There are plenty of tuners in NZ who can tune a Link ECU. My car already had a Link when I bought it so I ran with that. Regarding your second question probably 240-250kw assuming 20-25% drive train losses. Chassis dynos aren't really an absolute measure though, but they are great for optimising tunes and doing before/after comparisons.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 06, 2018, 09:29:18 am
Confession. I removed the H&Rs last August. It's not exactly a stance king any more but it's got more compliance/suspension travel which is what I was after for family duties. I'd still like to get the KWs certed as they worked well while lowering the car but it's a modern classic now so not really worth while.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4343/36101519903_0e5595a1c7_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X1aJ7k)IMG_0001 (https://flic.kr/p/X1aJ7k)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4348/36075450334_e0130400d3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WXS7x1)IMG_0003 (https://flic.kr/p/WXS7x1)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4706/39204778205_e8831cba6a_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22JoJFP)IMG_6174 (https://flic.kr/p/22JoJFP)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 03, 2018, 08:21:39 pm
Car has been prepped for Brit & Euro tomorrow

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4760/40544708262_6130d164e1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24LNedb)  (https://flic.kr/p/24LNedb)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/38776990080_752b5ae939_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/225Adbu)  (https://flic.kr/p/225Adbu)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: WRURQ on March 03, 2018, 09:34:29 pm
Nice looking great, see you there ...
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 17, 2018, 08:53:22 am
Getting a WOF the other day.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1823/42792414832_538d87ff37_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28cqj4J)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: robh on June 17, 2018, 06:41:05 pm
Getting a WOF the other day.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1823/42792414832_538d87ff37_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28cqj4J)

Botany local, your Howick right?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 17, 2018, 07:18:17 pm
Yes Botany.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 07, 2019, 09:59:49 am
Freshly serviced by Brodie European, took the black beauty to the BOP for the Christmas break. More recently (yesterday) it was put to good use carting a dryer which fitted with the back seats up. She was looking pretty shiny on this sunny kiwi summer day. Only real thing on the to-do list is repair the door cards (glue and foam breaking down), roof lining and new floor mats. Paint could do with some correction again too, but holds up well from 10 feet away.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4875/31695043747_b0df86359e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QhMogv)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: weta.worker on January 14, 2019, 07:41:57 am
looking nice!  and putting it to good use is great as well!

:D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: URS4 Avant on February 20, 2019, 02:09:57 pm
oh that looks stunning..  8)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 09, 2020, 02:19:31 pm
John Kanters aka 80vert has replaced the headlining and re-foamed and glued the vinyl on the door cards.

I'm particularly happy with the headlining. John recovered the A pillars as well for a perfect match. The texture and appearance is very similar to the original but slightly darker.

John said the headlining material wasn't very easy to work with as there was limited stretch longitudinally. I bought the material from WT Distributors in Onehunga as John's usual supplier didn't have any material that was a close match to the original. Website:  https://www.webbing.co.nz/auto-marine/79-headlining.html (https://www.webbing.co.nz/auto-marine/79-headlining.html)

Work in progress:
(https://i.imgur.com/lQmwXlf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Oy5q0HS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wJoPyWY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OMmRPSB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PiTRA41.jpg)


Finished result:
(https://i.imgur.com/LsxeI6M.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MCRgrC4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lF42dqa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FWuKBSb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i9EDWHx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TBUhGfc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ToWLMsR.jpg)

My sincere thanks to John for a job well done!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Poonmobile on March 19, 2020, 08:35:07 am
Thats awesome Jon! And great job Vert
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: B5Passat on March 19, 2020, 09:04:07 am
That is beautiful work
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 30, 2020, 05:32:56 pm
Really happy to have a Blaupunkt radio installed in the RS2 again. It's not the factory original but the relatively new 46 DAB. Has bluetooth handsfree and streaming integrated but is designed to suit older cars. Fortunately was plug and play so I installed it myself. It works perfectly and the sound is crisp and clear.

(https://i.imgur.com/yj02Bcl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ig7ygnN.jpg)

Deets: https://www.blaupunkt.com/en/nc/products/car-multimedia/car-radio/products/single/19059/ (https://www.blaupunkt.com/en/nc/products/car-multimedia/car-radio/products/single/19059/)

I ordered from here if anyone's interested in getting one for their classic Audi/Porsche. Took about 2.5 weeks. Only downside is I wasn't provided a tracking number. https://www.autosound.co.uk/blaupunkt/single-din-radios/bremen-sqr46-dab/ (https://www.autosound.co.uk/blaupunkt/single-din-radios/bremen-sqr46-dab/)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: wilco on July 30, 2020, 08:07:22 pm
Looks great Jon, fits nicely with the era.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 30, 2020, 08:40:59 pm
Cheers buddy.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: tjsmada on July 30, 2020, 10:50:32 pm
Oh yeah, definitely been listing after one of those!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on July 31, 2020, 09:53:13 am
That is near the top of my Ur parts list.
Definitely going to get one as it solves all of the problems I've been trying to solve by buying and bodging together various gadgets and adapters, trying to hide new tech away and have a good looking period head unit.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 31, 2020, 02:59:41 pm
Good plan Rob 👍 You can always hold onto the original.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on July 31, 2020, 04:10:18 pm
Good plan Rob 👍 You can always hold onto the original.
I don't have an original, the car came with a 90s Sony. I have a Nissan Bluebird 80s Blaupunkt and another 80s Blaupunkt from Ebay, neither work properly.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 31, 2020, 06:16:56 pm
I don't have my original radio either. I assume it was binned at some point. I've still got the instruction manual for it. Was a Blaupunkt RD 104 model with CD player. Pretty rad back in the day. The SQR 46 is actually a 1980s design.

(https://i.imgur.com/s8QyINa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QJLtEXS.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: nordschleife on August 01, 2020, 08:36:46 am
Loved those Blaupunkt units back in the day.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 80 Vert on August 01, 2020, 09:17:58 am
If anyone has an old Blaupunkt and needs it repaired there's an excellent guy in Glen Eden called McAllister radio repair.
He recently did a great job on my 90 Blaupunkt for the mk2 Golf.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on August 01, 2020, 11:46:37 am
Thanks for the tip vert.

I highly recommend this new Blaupunkt unit. I've been playing around with the equaliser settings and the it's got good range. I think my car had the speakers upgraded by a previous owner (possibly the one I bought it off but can't remember exactly), but considering it has no sub it has a really crisp and punchy sound. I'm no audiophile but that's my 2c worth if anyone's interested!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on October 02, 2020, 10:00:37 pm
Today the RS2 had its turn to go to the beach.

(https://i.imgur.com/OFhhv1u.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 01, 2020, 11:57:32 pm
Seven Years

Today marks the seventh anniversary of my purschase of this special car and I'm feeling a little reflective!
 
When I bought the car it wasn't running very well. Starting was inconsistent and it had a bad misfire under boost. There was also an intermittent short circuit causing the ignition fuse to blow. The short was in the ignition coil wiring and diagnosed and repaired by Brodie European during it's first service there (the car actually broke down during a road test by them due to the ignition fuse blowing and had to be towed back to the garage!). I discovered after some months that the vacuum lines to the boost control solenoid had been incorrectly plumbed. I'm sure this wasn't the case when it was tuned in Wellington at the end of 2010 by STM (as can be attested to by the smooth dyno plot and healthy power figure) but at some point subsequent to this they were messed up. This was the main cause of the misfire under boost, although I suspect the ignition system was also tired. With further research I was able to correct this and start my steep learning curve with the Link engine management system installed in the car. Installing an aftermarket ECU is probably not something I would have contemplated doing, but I must admit I was curious when the car came up for sale and I knew about the ECU. Since buyng the car I've completed half a dozen online HPA tuning courses and spent countless hours making tweaks to the ECU and reviewing log files. During this 'tweaking' I discovered the ECU was using an incorrect intake air temperature calibration and was able to correct this. Quite recently I discovered that the injector dead time table was incorrect and was able to correct this with data I found online. The injector dead times have little effect at high load as they are only a fraction of the overall injector duty cycle at that point, but at low load (starting and idle for example) the dead time is quite signicant relative to the total duty cycle. Correcting this has made AFRs more consistent on start up.
 
Not too long after getting the car I had the original alloys repaired and repainted in 'shadowchrome' by Arrow Wheels and shod with fresh rubber. I replaced the slightly 'boy racer' after market blow off valve with a working factory diverter valve I’d removed from my RS4. I was fortunate to be able to get my hands on an original shifter purchased off a fellow vasker and previous RS2 owner. I also purchased factory fog lights. There was a bit of a saga with KW suspension that couldn't be certified without jumping through interminable hoops. After running H&R lowering springs for some time I've now settled (no pun intended) on the original springs with adjustable Koni dampers, which I feel is a more compliant and road friendly set up than the same dampers with H&Rs.
 
There have been numerous mechanical and electrical repairs made during my ownership, some of which I'm sure to have forgotten about! A radiator was replaced, the alternator was replaced, the oil pressure sender and multi function temperature sender (MFTS) were replaced. The fuel pump failed at some point and was replaced with a new one (that was fun breaking down on Ti Rakau Road in peak traffic!). A TFSI coil harness and Audi R8 ignition coils were also added to the car to replace the old factory system.

A rather gash aftermarket radio was replaced with a more elegant Becker and I’ve more recently put in a Blaupunkt. Both the Becker and Blaupunkt are very good but the latter has built in blue tooth streaming whilst the Becker had an adapter for this.
 
After an unfortunate altercation with gale force winds and a glorified tent, I decided to have a full glass-out respray of the car which was covered in part by insurance.
 
More recently (but still a few years ago now) the car was sent to Dave at Tunetechnic (previously Dave was the Link tuning guru at Torque Performance) who installed an ALM wideband oxygen sensor, Link 4 bar map sensor and retuned the ignition and fuel maps along with dual boost maps, switchable via a discrete digital input to the ECU. The factory knock sensors were also wired and tuned to the ECU but using a single retard table for all cyclinders due to a shortage of available free tables in the ECU. About a year after this Dave was also able to get the factory fuel computer working with the ECU based on some information I had managed to unearth from the interweb (where would we be without it?!).
 
Over all this time the car has been ably serviced and repaired by the team at Brodie European. As detailed in my ownership thread above, WestWorx did a great job of repairing the interior trim for me.
 
So there we have it! It certainly hasn't been all beer and skittles by a long shot, but I'm fortunately a 'slow burner' which has allowed me to maintain a degree of enthusiasm throughout my ownership. Whilst she’s not 100% original, she is quite the machine and the modifications are now well executed and mostly under the skin. She’s a keeper!
 
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Filx on November 02, 2020, 07:34:23 am
Great summary Jon, some interesting reading and reflection on the learning curve with Link and the car.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: 80 Vert on November 02, 2020, 11:04:17 am
Nice work Jon, one of those irreplaceable cars that's for sure.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 02, 2020, 04:05:34 pm
Awesome Jon.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Period_Correct_ on November 02, 2020, 08:36:49 pm
Nice mate. It’s an epic car and they don’t make them like they use to.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: robh on November 03, 2020, 02:19:07 pm
Really interesting reading.

Sounds like I'll be calling on you for help shortly with my ecumaster ecu on the Lotus ;) with us being local and all.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2020, 05:00:54 pm
No worries, I’ve only played around with the Link but in principal they are all trying to achieve similar things. Give me a shout when you are ready and I’ll have a look if you want.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 30, 2021, 10:30:08 pm
Sometimes it’s the little things...

Like this new ash tray (not that I smoke):
(https://i.imgur.com/5Hm6eas.jpg)

Old vs new:
(https://i.imgur.com/C3Nvxz5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/98jr3M7.jpg)

And new hood pins:
(https://i.imgur.com/XgcQuOY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uM8fMCK.jpg)

Old vs new:
(https://i.imgur.com/6S0wdxr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k8CURdn.jpg)

They are adjustable so need to take care to position them correctly before closing the hood or it can jam. Some plasticine spread over the latch allows you to check the position without closing it all the way. End result:
(https://i.imgur.com/fnHvp6t.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g35L95b.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on January 31, 2021, 11:22:18 am
So satisfyingly, fixing little details like that.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on January 31, 2021, 12:50:31 pm
Absolutely Rob.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Poonmobile on February 01, 2021, 03:02:09 pm
Awesome Jon!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 21, 2021, 08:44:31 pm
I am tremendously grateful to John (80 Vert/West Worx) for completing what turned out to be a very tricky sunroof repair for me. I think it’s fair to say he has had enough of old sunroofs for a while!

The sunroof had starting making some unusual noises and not opening and closing properly (the trim panel had become dislodged). I’d had the car at Brodies in December and told them about it. They discovered the rain channel at the back was broken but that turned out to be not even the half of it. I noticed the two pins that the sunroof trim clip onto had also broken off. I took they car to John and he removed the sunroof. We noticed the forks that drive the sunroof forward and back were bent indicating it had been under some strain.

Sunroof removed with bent forks visible:
(https://i.imgur.com/BFZkO6l.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 21, 2021, 08:45:53 pm
John carried out a very effective repair on the rain channel and came up with a cunning plan to install two new pins for the trim to clip onto.

Repaired rain channel (which is now a spare):
(https://i.imgur.com/LcMTFzp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/i4J6Z2g.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SKN6BZ5.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 21, 2021, 08:46:22 pm
New pin installed for trim to clip onto:
(https://i.imgur.com/miuQ88f.jpg)

When we were putting the sunroof back in we noticed that a small piece of plastic that acts like a cam to drop the sunroof when retracting had broken off.

Photo showing the missing cam (middle of picture in the slot):
(https://i.imgur.com/W1YwTBy.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on February 21, 2021, 08:47:13 pm
It was decided to put the sunroof back in without the motor and I would go off and see if I could find any spare parts for it. I was in the process of building up an order for the S8 from Audi Tradition so the sunroof parts were added to the list. Tradition had the rain channel and RH sunroof guide but not the left, which is the one that was damaged. I added those to the order and John planned to make up a new ‘cam’ for the left guide when I could leave the car with him again. The Tradition order duly turned up in late Jan.

New rain channel and RH guide showing the cam down toward the bottom of the image:
(https://i.imgur.com/tCu5ZwK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KWeWIUT.jpg)

When John was finished with the S8 (sans A pillar trims) we swapped the cars over and he got to work. He came up with the idea of using resin to make the new cam, filing it into the correct shape once it had set. He also did the same for a plastic tab that had broken off at the other end of the guide.

Here's a photo of the resin before being shaped/filed:
(https://i.imgur.com/GaPZCKu.jpg)
And after...
(https://i.imgur.com/2b0muBl.jpg)

The sunroof was duly installed with the new parts and the repaired LH guide and trim pins and it works like new! What a result! Super happy with it, thank you John.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RobClubley on February 22, 2021, 08:38:38 am
Awesome work.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 20, 2021, 04:58:01 pm
I've been wanting to try out the single port boost control method for a while because that is what the car used from the factory. When I bought the car it was set up using dual port boost control (and incorrectly plumbed - refer to page 7 of this thread), so the easiest thing for me to do was to correct the plumbing and go from there. Some articles I read on the subject said this method gave a faster spool than using the single port method.

The dual port method is often referred to as the 'T method' as it requires a T join in the boost reference plumbing with one line going to the boost solenoid and the other going to the lower waste gate chamber. The boost solenoid has another line to the upper waste gate chamber. The solenoid commands higher boost pressure by diverting boost pressure from the lower chamber to the upper chamber, equalising the pressure between the two. The waste gate spring continues to hold the waste gate closed and allows boost to build.

With the single port boost control method, as used from the factory, the upper waste gate chamber is open to atmosphere. The boost reference line is connected to the boost solenoid and another line is joined from the solenoid to the lower waste gate chamber. The solenoid commands higher boost by bleeding off air from the lower waste gate chamber and therefore equalising the pressure with the upper chamber. In other words if effectively does the same thing as the 'T method' but with a simpler plumbing set up.

I've considered reverting to the single port method a few times but have been put off by the relatively small area to work in where the boost reference lines are located (behind the RH headlight and flexible boost pipe from the intercooler) and it all seemed a bit pointless since some articles I've read said the dual port method was better. Anyway I finally got into it today, removing the RH headlight and flexible boost hose from the intake pipe to give me some room to get my hands in there. I removed the boost reference lines from the T piece and connected these up for single port control. The boost solenoid is connected up differently from the 'T method' for this to work correctly. The 'normally closed' port (port 1) is connected to the flexible turbo inlet pipe, the 'normally open' port (port 3) is connected to the boost reference line and the 'common' port (port 2 - always open) is connected via another vacuum line to the lower waste gate chamber. Here is the boost solenoid after reconnecting it for single port control (mine's a MAC solenoid, not the factory 'N75'):

(https://i.imgur.com/ZtlYLSk.jpg)

You can see here the upper waste gate port is now open to atmosphere, just as it was from the factory:
(https://i.imgur.com/tjaOpCl.jpg)

I was a little anxious the boost tables in the ECU might need adjusting but after a drive out for lunch with the family it appears to be fine. The spool up also appears to be very similar to the dual port method. Here is a screen shot from a log taken today on a low boost map (1 bar) showing the car hit almost exactly the commanded boost in third gear:
(https://i.imgur.com/D7fFLiV.png)

Later on, having built up confidence on the low boost map, I switched to the 'normal' 1.4 bar map and gave it a squirt in 2nd gear.  It pulled really cleanly hitting 1.3 bar at 4000rpm and building to 1.35 bar at 4800 rpm at 65% duty cycle. It felt really strong and smooth and I didn't want to let off the throttle  >:D. Everyone had a good giggle.

(https://i.imgur.com/UMshiFW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xENBe8X.png)

More testing is required to confirm how it goes in higher gears and the high boost map but initial indications are that it will be spot on, so I will be sticking with the simpler single port method for the foreseeable future.

(https://i.imgur.com/8qLKGwl.jpg)


Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: wilco on March 21, 2021, 10:00:58 am
Who would have thought the factory would get it so right?   :laugh: 8)

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 21, 2021, 10:30:40 am
Nobody knows!

This is the document I referred to in initially in order to get my head around it: (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiclub.fi%2Faudifinns%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D7497%26d%3D1286058950&ei=2QcEVdf5D8jz8gXztIDoAg&usg=AFQjCNGLEVD-SWFatGUiBCj2hnDjP45JsA&sig2=nBoU1sa-Q9LhypbtZezxuA&bvm=bv.88198703,d.dGc (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiclub.fi%2Faudifinns%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D7497%26d%3D1286058950&ei=2QcEVdf5D8jz8gXztIDoAg&usg=AFQjCNGLEVD-SWFatGUiBCj2hnDjP45JsA&sig2=nBoU1sa-Q9LhypbtZezxuA&bvm=bv.88198703,d.dGc))

I think the main difference for my application is that my car has a Mac valve which closes the NO port when it opens the NC port. From what I can understand the stock N75 valve simply opens the NC port and the NO port stays open as well.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Period_Correct_ on March 21, 2021, 12:53:39 pm
What is the NO and NC port?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 21, 2021, 01:00:06 pm
It's the ports on a 3-port boost solenoid.

NO = normally open (when solenoid is de-energised)
NC = normally closed (as above)
C = common (always open)

This is a good reference point: https://www.onpointdyno.com/boost-control-plumbing-get-it-right-save-money/
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Period_Correct_ on March 21, 2021, 01:25:49 pm
Interesting typically the port names are usually 1,2,3 for a 3 port 2 position valve and the NC and NO refers to its de-energised state.
We use many pneumatic valves ( 5 port, 3 port, 2 position, 3 position) etc and haven’t really seen the ports referred to as NC/NO before.

Hope it’s going well. It’s an awesome care.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on March 21, 2021, 07:31:01 pm
Ah right. Yeah they are numbered 1,2,3 on the solenoid itself. I find NC, NO and C easier to understand without having to remember what the numbers refer in terms of on/off state.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on May 27, 2021, 07:14:29 pm
To follow up on the above I quickly found the single port boost control method was quite laggy, especially in low gears. I also had difficulty hitting boost targets much over 1.4 bar (1.55 was about the max). So I decided to try out the alternative 2 port method (graphic below with link to the relevant full turbosmart document). It’s also “alternate method B” in the earlier document I linked on boost control plumbing.

(https://i.imgur.com/DEwSyVd.jpg)
Source: https://www.turbosmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/TS-0302-1002_EBS_40psi_MAY_12.pdf

From the linked document above:
“ EXTERNAL WASTEGATE CONNECTION
The first method of installation is a one port connection. If the desired boost level is not achieved i.e. boost level is too low, or not controllable, it is recommended that the wastegate spring be changed to a spring which is closer to the desired boost pressure or to trial a 2 port connection method.
There are 3 different 2 port connection methods that can be trialled to achieve different results. The 2 port method (1) can be used if there is high exhaust manifold back pressure forcing the valve open. The 2 port method (2) allows the user to achieve the maximum boost pressure their turbo system is capable of. If a wide range of boost pressures is desired i.e. 5 – 40 PSI, the 2 port method (3) with a 4 port solenoid (sold separately – TS-0301-2003) might be needed.”

After adjusting the boost solenoid duty cycles with the Link software (fully mapped closed loop boost strategy) I’ve got the system working very well. It only requires around 7% duty cycle for 1.4 bar vs 65% using the single port method. I can hit 1.6+ bar with ease on about 10-12% duty cycle. Spool up is noticeably quicker. I’m very happy with this configuration having run it for a some weeks now.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 21, 2021, 02:15:42 pm
Twins! Great to catch up with Frank yesterday and talk cars for an hour or two.

(https://i.imgur.com/dfqeY28.jpg)

Frank’s car first register Oct ‘95 and my car first registered Sep ‘95.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 11, 2021, 06:08:54 pm
Keeping very good company while going for a cruise to pine harbour.

(https://i.imgur.com/QAr9lSM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gmIj7GQ.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Period_Correct_ on December 11, 2021, 07:44:53 pm
Good catch-up mate.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Horch on December 13, 2021, 09:04:03 pm
Twins! Great to catch up with Frank yesterday and talk cars for an hour or two.

(https://i.imgur.com/dfqeY28.jpg)

Frank’s car first register Oct ‘95 and my car first registered Sep ‘95.

Would I be marginally correct if I said that TP3155 was used by Audi NZ for local press articles before being delivered to the owner after it was airfreighted to NZ. ?
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 14, 2021, 06:24:18 am
I suspect the car you are thinking of was an early delivery eg 1994. Nick will know.

This magazine was Feb 1995 which is before TP3155 was registered. I believe the rego in the article (TB4444) was never actually used on an RS2 and was ‘photoshopped’ or similar.

(https://i.imgur.com/hF9bLuY.jpg)

Edit: The car in the above magazine article had wooden cabin trim. TP3155 has carbon fibre.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 14, 2021, 02:37:29 pm
Would I be marginally correct if I said that TP3155 was used by Audi NZ for local press articles before being delivered to the owner after it was airfreighted to NZ. ?

Na, that was TB1***. The number plate was photoshopped to TB4444 for the magazine article.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Period_Correct_ on December 14, 2021, 07:44:50 pm
Na, that was TB1***. The number plate was photoshopped to TB4444 for the magazine article.

I wonder if they used the TB4444 plate from the stack of plates in the box. I doubt they had photoshops lasso tool sussed in 1995. Haha
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Horch on December 14, 2021, 10:14:44 pm
I suspect the car you are thinking of was an early delivery eg 1994. Nick will know.

This magazine was Feb 1995 which is before TP3155 was registered. I believe the rego in the article (TB4444) was never actually used on an RS2 and was ‘photoshopped’ or similar.

(https://i.imgur.com/hF9bLuY.jpg)

Edit: The car in the above magazine article had wooden cabin trim. TP3155 has carbon fibre.

I concede my mistake and yes the plate was photoshopped prior. The images were taken at Mt Richmond just up the highway from EMD offices a few days after arriving in the hold of a 747.

Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 15, 2021, 07:30:02 am
I concede my mistake and yes the plate was photoshopped prior. The images were taken at Mt Richmond just up the highway from EMD offices a few days after arriving in the hold of a 747.

It’s cool to hear about such details.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: tjsmada on December 15, 2021, 12:18:34 pm
I concede my mistake and yes the plate was photoshopped prior. The images were taken at Mt Richmond just up the highway from EMD offices a few days after arriving in the hold of a 747.
Ouch..who paid the freight bill in the end  :-[
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: Horch on December 15, 2021, 09:34:02 pm
I suspect the car you are thinking of was an early delivery eg 1994. Nick will know

Edit: The car in the above magazine article had wooden cabin trim. —— (N1U/07)

#1156 - RS2 Avant  - Polar Silver arrived in NZ 4th Jan 1995 on a Lufthansa flight. We we permitted to enter the tarmac area to witness the aircraft unloading… clearly well prior to the Sept 11 security measures as this would not be possible today.

It was really a special experience and I recall it vividly for a number of reasons. Such was the excitement at the first RS2 unit arriving, myself and the MD trucked down to the airport to witness the experience at the invite of the airport authority. I guess vehicle airfreight was a novelty limited to Motorsport in the day. (Audi sport rally team for example)

It was like watching a jumbo jet giving berth for the want of a better description. The RS2 had but millimeters clearance exciting the hold aperture, positioned on a rolling sled moving quietly from the aircraft belly in the afternoon light.

EMD and with the support of Audi Ag accepted the freight cost to meet the customers request to get the first car into NZ asap with the agreed ability for us to use it for a number of local press activities.

So taking a step back…  this white body Audi 80 estate underwent initial assembly at Audi Ag. Following this the unit, partially completed, was then transported by rail to Porsche Ag for the recognised RS2 design enhancement work conducted by Porsche. It was then returned to Ingolstad for final assembly. The car then went by road transport to Frankfurt Airport for the flight to NZ. Take also into account the vehicle would have encountered numerous rail sidings and production storage facilities during its production and multiple transport excursions. By now it’s a well travelled unsold and undamaged product.

This is why it’s vivid…

Having been expelled from the aircraft the perfect silver RS2 had to be taken to a bonded area for customs clearance and paperwork etc somewhere at the back of the airport facility. Following a brief inspection on the tarmac to confirm all was well with the exterior it disappeared on a trailer unit. We were advised to follow and it to the customs office and it would be released to our appointed carrier within 30 odd minutes… great.!

True to their word 30 mins later C&H pulled out of the compound with the prize sitting on a flat deck but with a driver with a, let’s say, a bemused expression. He beckoned us over and jettisoned himself from the cab shaking his head… approaching us in the car park and boldly exclaimed “sorry guys but those customers muppets have just damaged this f’kn thing”

Sure enough the passenger lower door skin was solidly creased.. !. WTF.

All those carefully managed and travelled global kms and it gets on ground to godz own and within a half hour… thump !
Accosting this agency looking for information was fruitless as they closed ranks and simply said make a claim. Beyond believe.

#1156 - 10th Jan Authorised repairer - RW Hasler Panel and Paint

What started out as a day mapped out for a distributors product genesis quickly turned to anguish. Vivid..

If you reading this Geoff thanks for creating a great personal experience by ordering this unique piece of motoring gold in the first instance that gave myself and other EMD employees Himalayan believe on just how good our brands were…

And it got even better… introducing Roland Meyer - MTM… this promptly became our motoring meth…
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on December 16, 2021, 08:20:21 am
Wow!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: FFS on December 16, 2021, 08:22:23 am
What a great story, and even involving a proper buffoon and a band of villains! Typical of workers around airports it seems, it’s almost as if they didn’t know whaat they were dealing with, which cannot be given the fanfare and special treatments authorised by airport admininstration! How angry would the owner have been. Just simply amazing. But it does create a bit of motoring folklore!
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 19, 2021, 09:24:32 am
Very cool story.

That RS2 to the best of my knowledge has only had 2 owners and resides in Wellington.
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: slowmo on December 23, 2021, 04:44:30 pm
Just spotted TB1454 in wellington today
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on June 09, 2022, 05:19:04 pm
The electric windows/sunroof had been somewhat intermittent on this car for the last few months and recently became very intermittent. The same issue cropped up several years ago and I fixed it by heating up the solder of a cracked joint on the window relay board. That fixed the issue at the time but here we are again. I pulled the relay and thought the solder joints all looked good. Then I did some googling and found a thread where a guy fixed his issue by changing a thermal fuse/circuit breaker on that circuit. I ordered one through Qualitat (great service by the way, can't fault them). Unfortunately that didn't solve the problem so back to the window relay. My wife thought she could see a defect in a printed wire trace. I emailed Phillips Electronics with a photo (https://phillipselectronics.co.nz) and the owner rang me the next morning and said he wasn't sure from the photo but to bring it in. When I brought it to him he said he would bridge the defect in the printed board but otherwise thought the board looked good. He asked me to use some fine sandpaper to clean up the contacts on the relay. Great service and he wouldn't even charge me. So anyway I took the relay home and used some 2000 grit on the contacts and reinstalled it. Hey presto windows are all good. I spent 2 days driving the car earlier this week with the fine weather and everything working as it should. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

This is the relay housing:
(https://i.imgur.com/qXOl5oB.jpg)

Before the repair:
(https://i.imgur.com/PYRsNTX.jpg)

After the repair:
(https://i.imgur.com/0z3fuU5.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on July 29, 2022, 09:16:29 pm
Found a good park…

(https://i.imgur.com/H1Lf2oR.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: schattenblau on August 03, 2022, 04:41:50 pm
A good park is to be treasured.

Can you reserve it ?

 ;D
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 02, 2022, 09:43:42 pm
9 years of ownership!

(https://i.imgur.com/wDL1wbz.jpg)
Title: Re: 1996 Audi RS2 Brilliant Black
Post by: le mans on November 03, 2022, 10:00:18 am
And she still builds boost beautifully.

(https://i.imgur.com/8PHtb5Z.jpg)