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Title: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: flying_sandman on May 29, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
Wondering if anyone can recommend a trustworthy garage that can do this particular service?  Auckland area.  Cheers.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: Lino_GTi on June 07, 2018, 07:57:44 AM
hey have you found someone to do this for you ?

I know a guy from HomeTune that is good and reliable and he can do that for you.. and he will come to you.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: GLIDN on June 07, 2018, 10:37:43 AM
It might help advising us your location and distance willing to travel?

If you get stuck, I'm able to assist with the DSG servicing
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 19, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Caution thread jacked here.

DSG Tran fluid other than Audi?  Just checked with Repco and they list the Penrite FS fluid for this box. Yay or Nay?
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: deedub on June 19, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: benckj on June 19, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Caution thread jacked here.

DSG Tran fluid other than Audi?  Just checked with Repco and they list the Penrite FS fluid for this box. Yay or Nay?

I haven't used Penrite but I use Motul for my R36 DSG with zero issues.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: heylinb4nz on June 20, 2018, 03:12:18 PM
Mine came with some red fluid from Singapore (cant remember the brand) i'm sure it meets some spec, but I swapped it out for piece of mind (Pentosin \ Genuine Audi only). The cost to fix a DSG is just too high to quibble over $150-250 difference in fluid costs.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 20, 2018, 07:14:04 PM
My take on aftermarket fluids is not about cost savings but using a better product. Why put the same fluid the manufacture created 15 years ago when the technology has moved by leaps and bounds. Maybe there wouldn?t be any DSG issues if good synthetic lubrication was used. Think about your motor oil and what you use now.

Jim
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: Naekyr on June 20, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: heylinb4nz on June 20, 2018, 03:12:18 PM
Mine came with some red fluid from Singapore (cant remember the brand) i'm sure it meets some spec, but I swapped it out for piece of mind (Pentosin \ Genuine Audi only). The cost to fix a DSG is just too high to quibble over $150-250 difference in fluid costs.

I just use dealer fluids

If you're gonna go aftermarket then it needs to be a better product, otherwise its all about the price - however as a consumer I find it difficult to find test results to prove that aftermarket stuff is any better
I mean look how difficult it is to just find test results of different engine oils, these companies try to hide everything
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 20, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Well that?s why I am asking here for advice. For all I know there is a better alternative than what manufacture to offer. User recommendations have more weight than anything.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: deedub on June 20, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
Quote from: Naekyr on June 20, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
I just use dealer fluids

If you're gonna go aftermarket then it needs to be a better product, otherwise its all about the price - however as a consumer I find it difficult to find test results to prove that aftermarket stuff is any better
I mean look how difficult it is to just find test results of different engine oils, these companies try to hide everything

It is about price. Why pay double for something that is no better?
Dealer oils will just be purchased from a supplier meeting a certain spec. Well known and trusted brands like LiquiMoly and Motul manufacture to the same specs (or buy from a supplier who does).
You are right, there are pages of threads on the internet dedicated to arguing which is better than the other. Some have higher flash points, etc etc. I doubt most will ever be able to detect the difference, in performance or gearbox wear.
I was advised to use Motul by a specialist who works on many cars including lots of racecars and knows his stuff - far more experience than I will ever have - so I trusted him and saved enough cash to buy some diff oil as well.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 21, 2018, 06:30:56 AM
The reason I asked about Penrite FS is that I run it in my Mitsi 4wd and it performs better than the ?special? fluid supplied through dealership. Yes it is less expensive but I use as in my opinion it?s better. By saving a little money I can change more often and do a trans flush to get as much out of TC as possible. Not sure what the DSG trans is like by on my Mitsi I'm lucky to get 1/2 the capacity out by a simple drain & flush.

BTW being less expensive is not just pocket change. Gunuine Mitsi fluid would cost over $200/10 litres where Penrite is under $100 for same. Looking at doing maintenance in Spring so have some time to research.

Just for reference this is the oil which I was looking at;

https://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/dct-fluid-full-syn
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: Naekyr on June 21, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
Whats the price? DSG oil can be up to $50 per litre from the dealer
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 21, 2018, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: Naekyr on June 21, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
Whats the price? DSG oil can be up to $50 per litre from the dealer
I?m having trouble matching the OZ product with NZ but when I stopped in Repco the Penrite FS was $67/4litres.  I bought same product on sale for $44 last summer. One benifit is that?s it?s off the self and no transport or other costs incurred.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 25, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
After spending some time looking over car on weekend I ordered some parts through RockAuto.  Plugs, filters & brake pads.  Grabbed an auto trans filter so I can fly with aftermarket DSG fluid when I need to.   Will order the Haldex fluid & filter separately once I work out if its been changed already.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 27, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
Doing a little more research on this and the VW boys over in OZ use Penrite for their DSG's. Seems they rate it very high and trans operate better than OEM Swag fluid. Will run with this when I do mine except I need to verify if the DCT FS is the same as fluid we get in NZ as its a different name. Waiting on filters, etc to arrive from States

http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?25928-Penrite-DCT-DSG-fluid-Anyone-tried-it

https://penriteoil.com.au/products/dct-fluid-full-syn
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on June 27, 2018, 01:08:22 PM
Reply back from Penrite on correct fluid.

QuoteGood morning Jim,

The only product we have suitable for the DSG in your Audi TT is the DCT Fluid. This product is available for purchase in NZ.
It is a product that Supercheap stock in their DC, alternatively we do keep the product in our Christchurch warehouse so you could order the product from your local Repco store.
The part number you will need to give the store is DCTF004, this is the part number for the 4 litre.

I hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Rebecca Stephens
Technical Support
                                           
Penrite Oil Company
T 1300 PENRITE (1300 736 748) | F +61 3 9801 0977 | [email protected]

Proudly Australian Made & Owned Since 1926 

Checked at SC and price is $97/4 litres but I will wait until it comes on sale. Haven't seen it advertised at Repco but might be something they stock in the future.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on July 16, 2018, 02:20:19 PM
Supercheap has 25% off all products today only. Snagged 2 x 4 litre oil packs of DCT FS for around $150 delivered. Don?t usually see this stuff on sale so worth the expense to get today. Just enter Save 25 at checkout.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on July 20, 2018, 08:12:03 AM
Just for information I found out the DSG had a mod with replacement of riser pipe within gearbox. This is removed when changing oil but a new longer (blue) one installed. This will raise the gearbox level by 6mm or 1/2 litre or so in box. Apparently, the older models  (ie pre 2004) initially had an issue with low levels so this was raised to compensate. Not sure if this relates to Mechtronic fails.

Glad I found this info in the UK TT forum as I can get all my bits in order before changing oil. Link below to the thread with methods & pics included. Planning to pull my drain plug, check filler adaptor fitting and colour of riser pipe. Once I know what I have I'll change the oil and filter in box.

https://www.ttforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1843181
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: The Red Warrior on July 20, 2018, 08:57:15 PM
Ended up reading that whole thread (despite not knowing anyone who owns a TT or expecting to ever own one myself). They are a bunch of helpful individuals without sounding all high and mighty about it.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on July 21, 2018, 07:21:35 AM
Have found most of the people on that forum very helpful. There are a couple tossers but not many. At least that site is very active so there are quick and accurate replies to any questions.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on July 24, 2018, 09:45:53 AM
Managed to move forward with this essential maintenance item. After finding a 14mm allen socket at work I cracked open the drain and was able to confirm my adapter/filler plug will work and I do indeed have the later blue riser pipe for setting correct level in the gearbox. Drained away approx. 1/2l of fluid and its looking rather dark. Hopefully, I can tackle job this weekend now.

Also going to drop engine oil and filter.  According to the stickers it was done around 1,000kms ago but I don't trust workshops that I have not dealt with before. Removing the bash plate has turned into another challenge as it uses a rather large star bit to pull the large holding bolts. Could not find a bit so used decent pipe wrench to extract. Planned on finding replacement hex head but not much luck so will probably weld a decent size head onto existing bolts. Of the fun of owning an AUDI!

Just to list essential tools for the oil/filter replace received from the UK forum.

QuoteTo remove the undertray;
M14 splined for the 2 large bolts
Torx T45 for the larger torx (mine have been replaced by 12mm head bolts)
Torx T25 for the smaller ones
Flat screw driver for the 4 quick release wheel arch fittings

To change the oil filter;
6mm hex to undo the filter housing drain
36mm socket to undo the housing
19mm socket for the sump plug
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: The Red Warrior on July 25, 2018, 12:39:16 AM
I know you're not in a rush, but Sulco stock all those items individaully.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on July 28, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Sucessful day with engine oil and filter replaced. All looked fine but believe it was probably 1 litre over full. Moved onto the DSG and dropped that oil. Found blue level pipe loose and from the looks of it missing an O ring. Changed trans filter and filled box with approx 5.7 litres of DCT Penrite synthetic oil.

After taking for a test drive I spun car around on ramps and had a poke around the backside. Found the Haldex filter and it?s black nylon so guessing it was changed at 40k. Going to order oil for doing that job in Spring.  Car is looking up.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: GLIDN on August 01, 2018, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: benckj on July 28, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Sucessful day with engine oil and filter replaced. All looked fine but believe it was probably 1 litre over full. Moved onto the DSG and dropped that oil. Found blue level pipe loose and from the looks of it missing an O ring. Changed trans filter and filled box with approx 5.7 litres of DCT Penrite synthetic oil.

After taking for a test drive I spun car around on ramps and had a poke around the backside. Found the Haldex filter and itÂ’s black nylon so guessing it was changed at 40k. Going to order oil for doing that job in Spring.  Car is looking up.

nice work bud.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on August 02, 2018, 02:48:42 PM
Thanks for that. Good to get some feedback as this forum is rather dead.

Engine/gearbox is looking good at this point and I've ordered 2 tubes of Haldex super dooper oil. It was only $20USD/ea with $7 shipping. Figured at 20k change interval best to have a spare on hand.  Coming from Poland so will let you know when it arrives.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: Blastoise on February 27, 2019, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: benckj on August 02, 2018, 02:48:42 PM
Thanks for that. Good to get some feedback as this forum is rather dead.

Engine/gearbox is looking good at this point and I've ordered 2 tubes of Haldex super dooper oil. It was only $20USD/ea with $7 shipping. Figured at 20k change interval best to have a spare on hand.  Coming from Poland so will let you know when it arrives.

HI there, just wondering if the 2 tubes you used for the Haldex change was actually legit and you actually used it? I am considering changing my Haldex oil and filter as I don't know when mine was last done, and its probably overdue.
Qualitat are selling their Haldex oil for $69+gst from memory, so just wondering if its the same stuff they use. Let me know. Cheers
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on March 05, 2019, 07:07:21 AM
Yes, all legit OEM Haldex oil. Think it came from Poland and only took a couple weeks. No problems at all using apart from finding a cracked alloy crush washer on the drain. Had to install oil, then drop again later and put back into tube so I could install a new washer and refill. Best be prepared next time but not a hard job at all.

I need to order the filter and service tool next which will cost a bit. Think the eBay seller had for $69 and tool was approx. $35. Hoping to get from same supplier as he doesn't charge a Kings ransom for postage.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: Blastoise on March 16, 2019, 08:15:54 PM
Thanks for that, I happened to send a message to Borgwarnershop on ebay and they said to purchase this oil:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OIL-FILTER-Quattro-Audi-TT-A3-S3-VW-Golf-Skoda-Seat-4-HALDEX/182288517084?hash=item2a713e07dc:g:s9UAAOSwPCVX4lga:rk:27:pf:0
and to purchase this filter https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OIL-FILTER-Quattro-Audi-TT-A3-S3-VW-Golf-Skoda-Seat-02D-598-574/171354300249?hash=item27e5831f59:g:JS4AAOSwoydWql0g:rk:13:pf:0

I have a 2004 A3 3.2 quattro which I believe has the second generation Haldex. But they have the bottle and not the tubes it seems. Ill keep searching in the mean time before I place an order.

But just getting a quote from Qualitat they quote the oil at $69 +gst per litre and the filter is $62 +gst which comes out to about $146. Ebay is US$99 for oil and filter, so thats like NZ$146 plus shipping. Buying direct from Qualitat seems the easier choice, thats if I have the right oil
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: Blastoise on March 16, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
And  just to follow up it looks like the MK5 golf R32 and Audi A3/TT with the 3.2 engines have the generation 2 haldex and need part code: G055175A2 which is 1 x 1L of fluid. Where as generation 1 like the m4k golf  uses part number: G-052-175-A1 and only requires 1 x 250ml tube of fluid.

Which fluid did you purchase benckj?



Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on March 18, 2019, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: Blastoise on March 16, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
And  just to follow up it looks like the MK5 golf R32 and Audi A3/TT with the 3.2 engines have the generation 2 haldex and need part code: G055175A2 which is 1 x 1L of fluid. Where as generation 1 like the m4k golf  uses part number: G-052-175-A1 and only requires 1 x 250ml tube of fluid.

Which fluid did you purchase benckj?
Mine is a 2005 3.2l TT and it took the 250ml Haldex fluid.  I believe mine is generation 2 which is contrary to the information above.  I followed the info on the UK TT forum as well as service manual purchased on-line.  My filter is the single cap type unlike the first link posted.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Engine-Oil-Filter-For-Audi-TT-Quattro-VW-Golf-Haldex-Coupling-02D525558A/182025746064?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Db4a07aef219b4c37a28a5616e02eae6e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D182288517084%26itm%3D182025746064&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on March 18, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
After repling to this thread I have gone ahead and ordered 2 Haldex filters for myself (ie $35NZD). Using the US free shipping option and Youshop to deliver to NZ might have landed here for around $50.

Still don't have the tool to remove/install filter but will probably make something to suit if nothing comes up. The ones overseas seem excessively priced when you add in shipping to NZ.

This link shows the whole process including filter & oil used.

http://www.petercoopercarrepairs.co.uk/changing_the_audi_quatro_haldex.htm
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on March 22, 2019, 08:39:29 AM
Just as a matter on interest Youshop charged $12.5NZD to ship the 2 filters from States. Not bad especially since the domestic US shipping was free. 9-14day arrival.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: brian on March 22, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: benckj on March 22, 2019, 08:39:29 AM
Just as a matter on interest Youshop charged $12.5NZD to ship the 2 filters from States. Not bad especially since the domestic US shipping was free. 9-14day arrival.

Youshop must have made a mistake...............they always charge me $21 and a bit, for the smallest of packages.
I always thought of them as rip off merchants and a conveyor of last resort
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on March 22, 2019, 03:49:31 PM
I've only done a couple of shipments through them and so far I've been very impressed. I opted for the slow boat as 9-14days transit was fine for me.
Title: Re: DSG oil/filter service
Post by: benckj on April 01, 2019, 01:38:07 PM
Haldex filters arrived today. Won't change until I hit 60k on clock as I'll do oil as well. Now I need to make a tool to use as cheapest I can find on-line is $35 + much the same for shipping. Shouldn't be too hard to knock up something that will work.