Cat amongst the pigeons stuff this..... which is better?
R32s
Its chalk and Cheese..
R32 Simon has both.. ask him about it..
That different eh? id better get out there behind the wheel of a few
Quote from: waxer on July 09, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
That different eh? id better get out there behind the wheel of a few
R32 Simon is selling his R32.. it has had a 300hp Upgrade Kit Installed..
the S3s have turbo lag
Simons R32:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Volkswagen/auction-61477280.htm
Quote from: waxer on July 09, 2006, 05:10:46 PM
Cat amongst the pigeons stuff this..... which is better?
I reckon the S3 has the ability to handle better than the R32. The R32 is a bit heavy up front.
But the S3 doesn't come as standard with great handling, you need to throw on some coilovers
for that.
The turbo-lag on the S3 is not huge, even when chipped, but it is always better to not have it at all,
so the R32 is better there.
The R32 sounds very very good, the S3 is pretty boring even with a nice exhaust.
But when it comes down to it the S3 just looks heaps better in my eyes than the R32, especially if
you choose a distinctive Audi S colour (like Nogaro blue). And looks count a lot.
Cheers, Ed.
Thanks, i think i am leaning towards the S3, subtle good looks and all. Ok, given that, what are the main differences between a 2000 and a then next model up? is that 2001 or newer? (despite the obvious price difference) and face lift etc. Also, are there any specific issues to look for in these years? cheers
Quote from: waxer on July 13, 2006, 08:58:50 AM
Thanks, i think i am leaning towards the S3, subtle good looks and all. Ok, given that, what are the main differences between a 2000 and a then next model up? is that 2001 or newer? (despite the obvious price difference) and face lift etc. Also, are there any specific issues to look for in these years? cheers
yeah
Pre Facelift S3s
Run on Dynomometors with no issues
Facelift S3s dont run very well on dynos at all..
something to do with Haldex changes..
i think there were suspension changes as well... at 1 of our vask drives i was chatting to a guy in a s3 who owned an urq before... sorry forgot his name...
he reckons there were suspension changes as well...
i think his nick is 12ax7...
I had both, a modified S3 and an R32.
I would always go for the R32, doesn?t matter if your driving around the track or town the R32 handles better, looks better & sounds better, my wife made a comment that when she got out of the S3 (which she loved and was her everyday driver) that it felt very dated compared to the R32, the S3 around town was not a pleasant car to drive, there is turbo lag, the R32 can cruise around in 6th at 50ks try that is an S3 and the gearbox will fall out, the power is instant, as an everyday car the R32 far outweighs the S3 in every aspect , but this is only my opinion, I owned both cars at the same time so I really could make back to back comparisons, i do like the S3 but they are very common now, there are only 32 three door R32 MK4?s in NZ, and don?t forget that sound, the R32 sounds amazing, the S3?s sound like a Dyson
Brilliant, test drives this weekend then.....
i would have an S3 over an R32 anyday... I look at the value proposition...
mind you for value Simons R32 cannot be beaten...
but any other R32s id go S3 no question.
Oh and DBA rotors are the shizzle
Quote from: S3Quattro on July 13, 2006, 11:12:25 AM
i would have an S3 over an R32 anyday... I look at the value proposition...
mind you for value Simons R32 cannot be beaten...
but any other R32s id go S3 no question.
Oh and DBA rotors are the shizzle
I want to see pictures of those bad boys :)
As for what to look for in a used S3, according to audi-sport.net you should look for rusting door bottoms.
I've got a MY2002 and am very happy with it, I think the face-lift model looks better - you really want the
xenons and alu mirrors - and it does have strengthened engine parts - so maybe will be better when chipped?
It's not all plain sailing though - mine has cold start issues, runs like a dog for first 30secs. Some sensor is buggered. Probably Lamda sensor, can't be bothered replacing. Just paid 300 odd for the O2 sensor that died.
Cheers, Ed.
I personally like both the S3 and R32.
One thing that seems to be playing on everyones mind at the moment is fuel economy, the S3 would win that hands down wouldnt it?
The R32 seems to have more character but the S3 would be more tunable?
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on July 13, 2006, 11:21:55 AM
I personally like both the S3 and R32.
One thing that seems to be playing on everyones mind at the moment is fuel economy, the S3 would win that hands down wouldnt it?
If you drive the S3 like a granny (like when you are running out of fuel and are 100's km from the nearest fuel) then it is very fuel efficient. If you drive it normally then you only get about 600km out of a tank, 500km in town - but I managed nearer 750km when I really had to (computer showed 900km when refilled after that). The way you drive is by keeping the engine off-boost at all times. Boring though :)
I'd have thought the R32 could do the same, just keep the revs low, and short change all the time.
Cheers, Ed.
Quote from: NasTnaS on July 13, 2006, 09:26:05 AM
i think there were suspension changes as well... at 1 of our vask drives i was chatting to a guy in a s3 who owned an urq before... sorry forgot his name...
he reckons there were suspension changes as well...
i think his nick is 12ax7...
Yeah thats me. Significant suspension changes in the facelifted 2002 models, although still too much understeer which can be cured with new Haldex computer. I would go for facelift if possible, interior looks much bettr as well as.
Avoid 97/99 as early A3's had lots of niggles sorted out by 2000.Check for continuous maintenance records, and coil pack replacement.
i saw you yesterday nick on boston rd :-)
Quote from: waxer on July 13, 2006, 09:41:08 AM
Brilliant, test drives this weekend then.....
while you're at it ... S4 8)
Be rude not to eh.....
Quote from: Turbo on July 13, 2006, 12:02:32 PM
while you're at it ... S4 8)
S4s are so over-rated - and common.
There is a truck load as we speak at ray hazlers.
waxor - If your in auckland this weekend give me a buzz you can take mine for a drive.
021 270 0090
Quote from: S3Quattro on July 13, 2006, 02:19:12 PM
S4s are so over-rated - and common.
There is a truck load as we speak at ray hazlers.
Insecurity is the number one cause of hostility.
Just be happy with your car steve, it's perfectly fine. ;)
it's cos S4 drivers get their cars painted by the best, S3's just get a bit of spray paint from the warehouse.
and S3's are common, you probably just don't notice them. >:D
(apologies to the other S3 owners.)
Quote from: S3Quattro on July 13, 2006, 02:19:12 PM
S4s are so over-rated - and common.
There is a truck load as we speak at ray hazlers.
waxor - If your in auckland this weekend give me a buzz you can take mine for a drive.
021 270 0090
Much appreciated, i may well give you a call over the weekend, i live in Grey Lynn.
Cheers
you are such a bitch! :P
Na i do want an S4 avant or rs4.. which i will have soon
Quote from: waxer on July 13, 2006, 02:32:13 PM
Much appreciated, i may well give you a call over the weekend, i live in Grey Lynn.
Cheers
I live in Remuera. .... bare in mine from 10am - 4pm on sat I will be at pukekohe racing.
IMHO...
I would go for the R32.
I definately favour naturally aspiratred as I like the way they drive and I think the R32 looks way better than an S3, which in reality is really just an angry shopping trolly...
;) Ay Steve? :P
my car now stops better than an R32 :P
Angry shopping trolly my ass!
the R32 will be a cult car... droool :P :P :P
Quote from: S3Quattro on July 13, 2006, 03:32:18 PM
my car now stops better than an R32 :P
Angry shopping trolly my ass!
No it doesnt
R32s have bigger rotors and Twin pot Calipers Steve..
S3's Still only use the same brakes as a Golf GTI
54mm Single Pots.. they just sit on a bigger rotor..
why is everyone dissing me today.... :'(
Im going home.
Quote from: S3Quattro on July 13, 2006, 05:00:58 PM
why is everyone dissing me today.... :'(
Im going home.
OK
Quote from: S3Quattro on July 13, 2006, 05:00:58 PM
why is everyone dissing me today.... :'(
Im going home.
you started it. ;)
Isn?t it funning how everybody get so defensive over the car they drive, I love it, shows passion and stupidity all at the same time, I am seriously thinking about going to puke on Saturday then we can see if and R32 can keep with the awesome S3, what do you all think?
Quote from: R32 Simon on July 13, 2006, 05:36:00 PM
Isn?t it funning how everybody get so defensive over the car they drive, I love it, shows passion and stupidity all at the same time, I am seriously thinking about going to puke on Saturday then we can see if and R32 can keep with the awesome S3, what do you all think?
i want to see how the R32 goes against my golf :D
Quote from: R32 Simon on July 13, 2006, 05:36:00 PM
Isn?t it funning how everybody get so defensive over the car they drive, I love it, shows passion and stupidity all at the same time, I am seriously thinking about going to puke on Saturday then we can see if and R32 can keep with the awesome S3, what do you all think?
Good for it Simon!
Anyone got a video camera?
pencil cams
Dv cam
P2 HD
Quote from: BDmk2 on July 13, 2006, 07:15:04 PM
pencil cams
Dv cam
P2 HD
Sounds like you should be there! ;)
Perfect, knew this thread would incite some passion and give me the answer i need. Results on Monday then.....
Quote from: R32 Simon on July 13, 2006, 05:36:00 PM
Isn?t it funning how everybody get so defensive over the car they drive, I love it, shows passion and stupidity all at the same time, I am seriously thinking about going to puke on Saturday then we can see if and R32 can keep with the awesome S3, what do you all think?
Bring it on ;D
An interesting video clip on TREMEK - Audi S3 v R32DSG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEq71...arch=audi:9620S3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEq71...arch=audi:9620S3)
Hopefully got the address right.
Bugger, that doesn't seem to have worked. Try typing the address, or just got to TREMEK Car VIDEOS and look under Audi.
Quote from: xring on July 16, 2006, 10:46:38 AM
Bugger, that doesn't seem to have worked. Try typing the address, or just got to TREMEK Car VIDEOS and look under Audi.
Is this what you are were after?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEq7II8bQMw&search=Audi%20S3%20R32
Yes. Was just about to repost. Teach me not to check the URL before posting.
the s3 must be chipped.
here's a vid with mk5 GTI & R32 vs S3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7A1UiNqOas&mode=related&search=Audi%20S3%20R32
here's an S3 vs a TT - both chipped w/ exhaust mods. speedo nearly off the clock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrN16DgzenI&mode=related&search=Audi%20S3%20R32
waxer - Let me know when you wish to Test drive my S3.
Hi, thanks, i took one from Giltraps on Saturday, 2003, silver, 16,000km. very very tidy indeed. they are asking $45k for it though, how does that stack up?? and how was the track?
Quote from: waxer on July 17, 2006, 01:35:52 PM
and how was the track?
;D ;D ;D Have you read this thread (http://www.vask.org.nz/index.php/topic,3893.msg44791.html#msg44791)
track was great :-)
Ive drive that 2003 very tidy... feels slow though compared to mine.. but has better suspension geometry
Good Stuff, i take it yrs is chipped then? compared to that 2003, what would chipping bring to the party??
Quote from: waxer on July 17, 2006, 04:18:03 PM
Good Stuff, i take it yrs is chipped then? compared to that 2003, what would chipping bring to the party??
depends on who's chipping it, but would take it to around 250-260hp, there should be a thread around here somewhere if you search for it.
superchips *cough* superchips :-)
We use various chipping companies... MTM, SuperChips, Otteinger, Wettera (spelling), REVO.... all depends on personal preferenc.. but the EASIEST and value for money is superchips.. (which is what i use) expect from the standard superchips map (which on a s3 takes 10min to do) about 42hp and 90nm torque for $1550 incl GST.
Everyone is roughly the same, but prices vary HUGELY, as well as other chips the cars need to be off the rd for some time...
But ask around.. and drive some of the cars that have the different chips...
i.e
S3QUATTRO - Superchips S3
MTMS3 - MTM S3
Luna7 - REVO S3
12ax7 - Otteinger S3
Let me get this right, the 210-225 hp upgrade came with the facelift model? 2001 onwards?
Quote from: waxer on July 21, 2006, 12:07:04 PM
Let me get this right, the 210-225 hp upgrade came with the facelift model? 2001 onwards?
yes
Quote from: waxer on July 21, 2006, 12:07:04 PM
Let me get this right, the 210-225 hp upgrade came with the facelift model? 2001 onwards?
You still looking for 1?
There is a black one in chch that i might check out next thurs....
Yeh, looked at one today, 2001 facelift, 89k on the clock, was pretty tidy, $30,000. didnt get to drive it but next week hopefully
Quote from: waxer on July 21, 2006, 03:23:54 PM
Yeh, looked at one today, 2001 facelift, 89k on the clock, was pretty tidy, $30,000. didnt get to drive it but next week hopefully
Be careful there's a guy on Trade Me being advertising one as a facelift but isn't. Back lights ( larger clear strip in f/lift ) and split front lights are the main giveaway, as some pre facelift had the chrome mirrors fitted as an optional extra. Most 2001 registered from about October in NZ were true facelift. Interior quite different too. Drop me an email thru messages if you want to catch up. Oettinger S3 - facelift. Live in Epsom Auckland.
dont bother with S3's.... R32's all the way ;D
Quote from: MK4 GTI on July 21, 2006, 05:29:30 PM
dont bother with S3's.... R32's all the way ;D
has anyone checked out those two cheap S4's?
Quote from: Turbo on July 21, 2006, 06:02:27 PM
has anyone checked out those two cheap S4's?
Whats the S stand for
Slow ?? ;D ::)
Quote from: waxer on July 21, 2006, 12:07:04 PM
Let me get this right, the 210-225 hp upgrade came with the facelift model? 2001 onwards?
No !!!!!!
225hp Came in late 01, the are facelift 210hp models
Quote from: MK4 GTI on July 21, 2006, 06:11:49 PM
Whats the S stand for
Slow ?? ;D ::)
slow to the power of 4 = fast
S3: better looking (by far), better badge (by far). Cheaper as 2nd hand.
R32: newer design. NA - no lag. Sounds way better.
Easy choice really: want new car get R32. Want to spend less dough get S3. You will be very happy either way. Both great cars, different flavour and lets face it, when are you REALLY going to notice the differences on the limit in a street car???
Cheers
Quote from: Turbo on July 21, 2006, 08:39:51 PM
slow to the power of 4 = fast
so long as slow > 1 otherwise slow^4 << 1
however, if slow < 1, do not worry.
since S>R in the alphabet, R is slower than S so, S^4 will always be faster than R^32
Either way, Audi wins.
load of cods wallop really
S3s feel like they were assembled by a Monkey with a Spanner
R32s actually feel like they are connected to the road.. its quite a remakable difference sitting in eithers drivers seat
To me,the R32 is the only other 4WD car I've driven that feels as "planted" on the road as an urquattro.That includes Jap 4WDs!IMO the S3 feels lighter and less stable!My RS4 had the same light feel as an S3,but of course was considerably faster.
Quote from: urq20v on October 14, 2006, 02:44:25 AM
To me,the R32 is the only other 4WD car I've driven that feels as "planted" on the road as an urquattro.That includes Jap 4WDs!IMO the S3 feels lighter and less stable!My RS4 had the same light feel as an S3,but of course was considerably faster.
Owned URQ and S3 - not comparable, one is quattro 50/50 other is front wheel drive + a little bit. My view is older A4 and WRX Sti ( sorry ) are most like URQ. I believe S3 is too short is wheelbase for balance, although it could be all that understeer they insist on dialling in. R32 vs URQ ?* neh.
I agree with Rex, i have owned both an R32 & the S3 at the same time, drove them back to back, Rex is just saying that the R32 ?feels? more planted, how the F&^k can anybody comment on this if they haven?t owned an R32 or S3 and driven them over a period of time?
Quote from: Audidude on July 25, 2006, 10:02:22 PM
S3: better looking (by far), better badge (by far). Cheaper as 2nd hand.
R32: newer design. NA - no lag. Sounds way better.
Easy choice really: want new car get R32. Want to spend less dough get S3. You will be very happy either way. Both great cars, different flavour and lets face it, when are you REALLY going to notice the differences on the limit in a street car???
Cheers
Both cool cars. This seems like the best rule of thumb. Personally I like the style of the Golf more.
Quote from: RS2 Simon on October 15, 2006, 12:05:21 PM
I agree with Rex, i have owned both an R32 & the S3 at the same time, drove them back to back, Rex is just saying that the R32 ?feels? more planted, how the F&^k can anybody comment on this if they haven?t owned an R32 or S3 and driven them over a period of time?
i think it would be sad if only those people who meet your criteria were eligible to comment. Considerable opinion can be gained from extensive reading and research. Obviously people with hands-on experience have more to add BUT, and it's a big BUT - people who own cars are, in my experience, often incredibly biased and blinkered in ther viewpoint of other vehicles. The my-car's-the-best and everything-else-pales-in-comparison phenomenon.
Obviously Simon you are in a unique situation of having considerable 1st hand experience of both cars.
Cheers
i drive a Golf GTI
However i have had the pleasure of
thrashing Steves S3
and
Driving a R32
on occasions
The S3 Feels wobbly but makes you feel like a kid again when along comes the big pointless turbo rush! quick little car runs out of puff at 140kmh and begins a slow hike upwards
the Styling of the Prefacelift S3 is nice.. the interior is nicer than Facelift (personal preference)
the S3 is easier to induce in to a powerslide around a corner just by coming off throttle and then punching hard and away she goes once the tiny little turbo spools up.. the noise.. is not overly great to me they are just another Turbo car with a Exhaust.. or as simon stated once or twice a Dyson Vaccum Cleaner
The R32 (mk4 Only)
Planted Looks agressive but subtle at the same time nothing can beat the linear pull from one gear to the next.. the beauty of Natural Aspiration. The Car goes where you tell it to Throttle is obediant and precise unlike having to factor in the on power off power effect of the turbo.. come around the corner in the R32 and you are empowerd to change the direction of the car purely thru light and precise throttling.. the interior is far nicer and less complicated than the audi avoiding random lumps..
the Steering wheel is a nice touch excelent to grab and get feel of whats going on..
The sound is wicked.. ferrari owners would turn green with envy.. its just purely orgasmic.. there isnt a exhaust system in the world that could make any 4 banger sound any where as near as good as the Volkswagen AG Inline Vee Six
Completely Agree with your comments Anton - except for the 140 part, i have no problem hitting 215km/h at puke.
Ive never felt 100% confident in the S3. I mean it does handle well and drive well, however compared to the R32 (MKIV) it has alot more flex, it doesnt feel as solid, the power delivery is no where near as linea like the R32.
The S3 is a "fun" car. If you want a fun car to take out and thrash and get your adrenaline going, then an S3 is great. Its also good on long journeys. But the R32 feels far more solid, feel like it was put together alot better.
IMO the S3 is a cheap(ish) sports/performance car that is fairly forgiving - and they look good :-)
Quote from: S3Quattro on October 16, 2006, 10:21:11 AM
Completely Agree with your comments Anton - except for the 140 part, i have no problem hitting 215km/h at puke.
Ive never felt 100% confident in the S3. I mean it does handle well and drive well, however compared to the R32 (MKIV) it has alot more flex, it doesnt feel as solid, the power delivery is no where near as linea like the R32.
The S3 is a "fun" car. If you want a fun car to take out and thrash and get your adrenaline going, then an S3 is great. Its also good on long journeys. But the R32 feels far more solid, feel like it was put together alot better.
IMO the S3 is a cheap(ish) sports/performance car that is fairly forgiving - and they look good :-)
I think we need to realise that the S3 is based on a car designed over 10 years ago and whose brief is NOT to be a track car, but a high quality high performance road hatch. It fulfils this brief brilliantly.
As a track car it leaves a LOT to be desired, so much so that after 1 session in my 1996 Integra Type R after using the S3 (Milltek and KW coilovers) for several sessions at Pukekohe, my 22yr old son said "I think the S3 can stay in the pits now Dad" and went out and eclipsed my time in the Integra (by 0.5sec) at 1.12.5 - standard engine, 200NM LESS torque, 50HP LESS power! I followed in the S3 and couldn't keep up! But when it came to driving home I'd pick the S3 every time. Horses for courses.
As far as the R32 goes - dunno - only driven one briefly, but power/weight very close to S3. Don't think that it'd match the Type R around Pukeconsidering the above and that I've given an M3 and some of the Bridgestone Porsche 911s a run for their money (not close down the back straight but up their chuff by the end of the Castrol Esses ;D ;D ).
Cheers
Brief article on the new Audi S3 in the latest EVO magazine. Basically says good fun but wouldn't want to live with it (not their words, but close). Then commented that you can get a new R32 for less money and it is a far better car. Also commented on the sound .... the S3 sounds like a lot of othe 4 cylinder cars, the R32 sounds incredible.
I know which I would rather have, but then I am on my fifth Golf, so probably a bit biased.
I've never driven either, but I'd prefer a Mk4 R32 over the original S3.
we'll have to wait for the turbo V6 RS3 then haha (If they're ever produced). that'd give the golf a run for it's money in terms of sound... ;D
Quote from: 5-pot on October 17, 2006, 12:21:10 PM
we'll have to wait for the turbo V6 RS3 then haha (If they're ever produced). that'd give the golf a run for it's money in terms of sound... ;D
The V6 in the Audi A3 is the Volkswagen VR6 anyway...
yuk..
i hate turbo noises couldnt think of anything worse!
Quote from: R32 ZipZap on October 17, 2006, 02:51:44 PM
Nice post Audidude, Was the S3 modded for the track ie weight reduced / suspension mods like your Type R ? ie was this an apples to apples comparison?
I have an R32 in stock trim, have no idea how it compares to your race ready Type R, assuming your Type R is still N/A as is my R32, and the S3 is turboed if they were all in race trim...then a real answer to the performance question could be determined.
Yeah, the R32 is heavier than the Type r (stock) not sure about the S3 though - power to weight ratio should be greater in the S3 and Type R I think (in stock trim)?
The S3 had a Oettinger 250ps chip, Milltek cat back axhaust and KW Variant 2 coilovers, lowered. Similar mods to Type R - cold box, exhaust and racesprings/shocks/lowered. The real problem with the S3 was weight, roll, and understeer despite KWs. It also lacked feel, and therefore didn't inspire confidence on the limit. The weight problem is worse with the newer models!!
Power/weight was similar S3/Type R, but torque was hugely in S3s favour (370 vs 170!!)
S3 Type R
Weight 1375 1120 (as weighed for Targa full tanks - stripped but cage adds weight)
Power HP 260 210
Torque NM 370 170
You fill in numbers for Mk IV and V R32s
Cheers
You say that the S3 has body Roll issues... that is tru and thats why it has a horrible lack of feel
the R32 drives completly Different...
if you havent Driven one suggest you do :)
the VW R Line Shocks Spring and Sway bar Set up is far superior to that of the S3
Agreed.
Would definitely go for the new s3 over the r32. 195kw standard and 0-60 in 5.7.
lol pesant ::)
And how does that opinion make me a peasant? I thought that job was left to vw drivers. :P
Audis are more prestigious than vws and the new s3 makes more power and will be far easier to tune plus they cost about the same. Give me an audi any day especially one that's quicker.
As far as comparing the r32 to the 1999 to 2003 s3 goes sure its an attractive package but its newer and there is a huge price differential between the two so in terms of value the s3 still kicks arse!
Quote from: VB on November 07, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
And how does that opinion make me a peasant? I thought that job was left to vw drivers. :P
you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt. there's no filter between his brain and the keyboard sometimes.
but good call. ;)
Fair enough. Don't get me wrong I genuinely like r32s especially the 3 doors and they have come down in price a fair bit now. There's a 2003 r32 3dr manual on trade me asking $41,000 for 30,000 odd kms.
I like the look of the new s3 but then we weren't including that to be fair initially.
Simon's r32 sounded like it was definitely a great car and i would have loved it if I hadn't already purchased my s3.
What is every one's feelings re dsg? You get better acceleration time but poorer times on a track. Huge improvement on a normal auto and probably great for around time and off the lights.
Quote from: VB on November 07, 2006, 03:32:42 PM
What is every one's feelings re dsg? You get better acceleration time but poorer times on a track. Huge improvement on a normal auto and probably great for around time and off the lights.
Stunning technology. Works brilliantly.
BUT: yet another blow against direct driver involvement in the driving experience. It's so good it's boring. When I drive I want to feel as if I am in charge of the car and not simply piloting someone else's engineering achievement (which it certainly IS).
Great option for city driving but forget it for track thrills.
Cheers
Quote from: VB on November 07, 2006, 03:32:42 PM
Fair enough. Don't get me wrong I genuinely like r32s especially the 3 doors and they have come down in price a fair bit now. There's a 2003 r32 3dr manual on trade me asking $41,000 for 30,000 odd kms.
I like the look of the new s3 but then we weren't including that to be fair initially.
Simon's r32 sounded like it was definitely a great car and i would have loved it if I hadn't already purchased my s3.
What is every one's feelings re dsg? You get better acceleration time but poorer times on a track. Huge improvement on a normal auto and probably great for around time and off the lights.
DSG? Id give it the big miss! I took my Aunts MK5 GTI for a good drive last week and I cant be bothered with DSG. Like Greg (Audidude) says "another blow against direct driver involvement in the driving experience", I agree. An example of this was I have the car is sports mode to pass a car, put my foot to the floor and it turns out that there is the clicky bit at the end of the thottle throw like at auto, I had pushed pass this, its kicked down another gear, then instead of hitting the limter (not that I do that alot because its pointless) it decides it knows better than me and changes up, come on please, whos driving this car, the car or me ???
Quote from: R32 ZipZap on November 07, 2006, 05:42:43 PM
I bought Simons R32, and yes its a mean car, the Schrick cams are awesome, even better now that the crap AMD chip job is removed, New ECU and a Custom Map later...it now is just begining to become a great car ! - remember its still N/A and drives signficantly better than a S3.
If you wanted a straightline sprinter get a S3, if you wanted a car to drive get a R32 imo. :P
You can't go wrong with 300hp in a na set up. I bet your r32 is a great staight line sprinter and remind me nerve to line up my s3 against it. What have the cams done? More top end, does it rev higher, more grunt down low? The 3 door shape is the best for the r32. Practicality be damned! What did a new ecu cost and who did your custom remap?
Quote from: R32 ZipZap on November 07, 2006, 10:32:19 PM
So many questions dude .... ummm
Custom Map was done by Kurt from www.chiptuning.co.nz
ECU cost heaps, but Neil from CCS really looked after me, PM for for details
Schrick Cams - well they are immense and well worth it, they lift its butt effortlessly from 2000rpm to Redline, provide more low end torque and a very healthy torque curve
Straight Line Sprinter? - dunno...ummm I suppose so, but I dont get my kicks from 6000rpm launches, most have trouble following me
Just interested. Sounds like a fun car to drive and I'm not a big fan of high rev launches either as they are hard on clutches and the car in general.
It would be cool if you had 500hp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqr6cA9kO-w
Quote from: JimmyRoyale on July 13, 2006, 02:45:18 PM
IMHO...
I would go for the R32.
I definately favour naturally aspiratred as I like the way they drive and I think the R32 looks way better than an S3, which in reality is really just an angry shopping trolly...
;) Ay Steve? :P
Yep I'm with you.
In my opinion there is no contest. R32 all day every day!!!
Quote from: rambo_005 on November 08, 2006, 12:39:22 PM
It would be cool if you had 500hp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqr6cA9kO-w
that's the car you can buy on GT4 from HPA tuners, best value first car (like $30k or something)
The latest Top Gear mag has a group test of the S3, R32 and 130i M.