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AUDI => 80 - 90 - Coupe - quattro - S2 - RS 2 => Topic started by: RobClubley on February 20, 2017, 10:56:28 AM

Title: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RobClubley on February 20, 2017, 10:56:28 AM
I keep wondering how many are around? Maybe a dozen? Or are there more hidden away?
About 60% of the 11,000 urquattros made were RHD. In the UK there are a few hundred left.
Should we start a register? :D
Title: Re: How many Urs in New Zealand?
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 20, 2017, 11:00:45 AM
I did start a bit of a registered. I think a couple of other forum members have a better idea than me.
Title: Re: How many Urs in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on February 20, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
Agree would be great to know numbers by type & location.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 20, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
I would say around 50?

As for RR's, there are 5, the 3 NZ new cars (Red, White & Black), plus two UK imports (White & Black).
I think MB's will be the rarest?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RobClubley on February 20, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
Really that many? :o
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on February 20, 2017, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: RS ZWEI on February 20, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
I would say around 50?

As for RR's, there are 5, the 3 NZ new cars (Red, White & Black), plus two UK imports (White & Black).
I think MB's will be the rarest?

Yes agree MB rarest here and UK too, is the Black one you refer to Rex's RR?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Horch on February 20, 2017, 08:39:58 PM
At one point 6x RR spec units with two since exported from NZ leaving 4 remaining

MB - 5 total.  Imports 2x Pearl 2x Tornado  NZ new 1x Zermatt. 

The rarest 857 Quattro being WR engine with Alloy block installed randomly prior to sport quattro 859 production. Only know of one '83 MY version in NZ
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: John Stone on February 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
I've never heard how many WR quattro's are still alive here. I can think of around 15/20 of the top of my head and as I live in Northland, it's rare to see one up here - saw mine being driven through Whangarei by the previous owner about 16 years ago and then another WR owned by an ex-forum member a couple of years later - we passed each other in the main street through Whangarei one afternoon 8)
Some, like the ultra rare alloy block 857 quattro are not being driven much i suspect.
One was turned into a rally car although i cannot find what happened to it - going back a few years too.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on February 20, 2017, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: Horch on February 20, 2017, 08:39:58 PM
At one point 6x RR spec units with two since exported from NZ leaving 4 remaining

MB - 5 total.  Imports 2x Pearl 2x Tornado  NZ new 1x Zermatt. 

The rarest 857 Quattro being WR engine with Alloy block installed randomly prior to sport quattro 859 production. Only know of one '83 MY version in NZ

Good to see/know there are a few more MB's than I thought, especially in my favourite Pearl.... and a NZ new too in Zermatt ...
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Horch on February 20, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
A count was in the high fifties some years ago of all engine variants.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RobClubley on February 21, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
I've never seen an urquattro on the road in NZ in 11 years!
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on February 21, 2017, 10:06:45 AM
They're certainly not a car that you start seeing everywhere once you've bought one. I've only seen other ones driving on three occasions that I can recall, and only saw them the one time each. All many years ago now and only once when I were actually driving an urq myself.

I don't think there's 50 in NZ, maybe 25? But I don't know. At the end of the day there could be a good few peppered around the country I suppose, owned by people who have no interest nor acquaintances in Vask and so we don't hear about them or see them.       
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 21, 2017, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: FFS on February 21, 2017, 10:06:45 AM
They're certainly not a car that you start seeing everywhere once you've bought one. I've only seen other ones driving on three occasions that I can recall, and only saw them the one time each. All many years ago now and only once when I were actually driving an urq myself.

I don't think there's 50 in NZ, maybe 25? But I don't know. At the end of the day there could be a good few peppered around the country I suppose, owned by people who have no interest nor acquaintances in Vask and so we don't hear about them or see them.     

Quote from: Horch on February 20, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
A count was in the high fifties some years ago of all engine variants.

FFS, I don't think they would have been exported?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on February 21, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
No, not in that volume. There must be a good few of them in hiding. Les, were those figures from a search on a partial chassis number or such, or was it a count up from known urquattros?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Horch on February 21, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Count is based on confirmed vin against NZ reg number.

The model count spans from 1983 -1991. As this market is open the majority are ex UK sourced cars. During their life many had damage, with a number to write off status, however the lure to own a quattro meant many have been returned to the fleet.

One '86 quattro was torched and the centre of an insurance investigation. That didn't make it but from what I gather the rest have.  A couple have under gone gender reassignment to mock rally quattro's or repowered.

Enthusiasm to restore these cars is great but fact is they are very costly to rebuild even given they were primarily made up from parts bins from assorted models of the era.

Without question I am convinced there are a good number of stalled projects in man caves throughout NZ.




Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RobClubley on February 22, 2017, 10:35:46 AM
Sounds like you might have a list? :D

If any of the projects are like mine I'm not surprised they stalled, the car just wants more and more money thrown at it! I'll get there though. Need another job.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: slowburn on February 22, 2017, 11:36:37 AM
i know of a definite 1 in palmy but i think he has another....i have seen the one and he doesn't drive it,he is a semi retired panel beater and has many 100/200s
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on February 22, 2017, 05:53:34 PM
Another was a white one in Tauranga with a broken motor which popped up on Trademe about 2007/8, or thereabouts. Does anyone remember that one, and know whether it was recommissioned or where it went to? Is it the pearl MB from Tauranga that's been at some of the Ellerslie shows?

Re the likelihood of a few tucked away, hopefully there are some parts hordes awaiting future discovery then!

I'm not allowed to wreck the WR, my 18 yr old daughter has pinched it from me and has started a savings account for its refurb, bless her. She's a cunning one, and I'm stupid, so when I tried to buy her out by getting her a different car, it didn't work.

   
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: John Stone on February 22, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: FFS on February 22, 2017, 05:53:34 PM
I'm not allowed to wreck the WR, my 18 yr old daughter has pinched it from me and has started a savings account for its refurb, bless her. She's a cunning one, and I'm stupid, so when I tried to buy her out by getting her a different car, it didn't work.
John how about just buying another one.......
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on February 22, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
Your daughter is very smart... lol The Pearl MB in Tauranga that shows at Ellerslie has had one family ownership pretty much from new and passed from father to son, came from UK originally and moved to NZ with current owner, beautiful example that has been restored.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on February 22, 2017, 07:03:55 PM
Quote from: John Stone on February 22, 2017, 06:09:29 PM

John how about just buying another one.......

Lol. - Help me find one!

(Actually, I did hear something recently about another one potentially for sale.)
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on February 22, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: RRURQ on February 22, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
Your daughter is very smart... lol The Pearl MB in Tauranga that shows at Ellerslie has had one family ownership pretty much from new and passed from father to son, came from UK originally and moved to NZ with current owner, beautiful example that has been restored.

Yes I think the Tauranga one was a WR. The current owner of the pearl one was telling me several years ago that he inspected it for a purchaser when he and it were still in Britain, little realising he would one day own it himself.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on February 22, 2017, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: FFS on February 22, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
Yes I think the Tauranga one was a WR. The current owner of the pearl one was telling me several years ago that he inspected it for a purchaser when he and it were still in Britain, little realising he would one day own it himself.

The White WR under cover owned by Stefan at Ray Haslar was possibly available but not advertised, +64 21 227 4137.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on February 22, 2017, 09:44:03 PM
I'm truly not in the market for another, but I'll ask tomorrow whether the Hasler one is it. I paid only semi-attention to the mention of the one possibly for sale, and asked whether it's the newer rounded Audi or with the blistered guards, as I've encountered a few people who say their brother in law, or their mate, or whoever once had an Audi like mine but when quizzed they have never known for certain whether it was Audi quattro or coupe/Coupe Quattro.

Where's Malcolm Stewarts road urq nowadays?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: John Stone on February 23, 2017, 06:52:59 AM
Quote from: FFS on February 22, 2017, 09:44:03 PM
I'm truly not in the market for another, but I'll ask tomorrow whether the Hasler one is it. I paid only semi-attention to the mention of the one possibly for sale, and asked whether it's the newer rounded Audi or with the blistered guards, as I've encountered a few people who say their brother in law, or their mate, or whoever once had an Audi like mine but when quizzed they have never known for certain whether it was Audi quattro or coupe/Coupe Quattro.

Where's Malcolm Stewarts road urq nowadays?

Still in Hawkes Bay as far as I know although I haven't heard from Hugh for some time.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RS ZWEI on February 23, 2017, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: John Stone on February 23, 2017, 06:52:59 AM
Still in Hawkes Bay as far as I know although I haven't heard from Hugh for some time.

Yes it is, Hugh doesn't know it anymore, but it's owned by a friend of mines father.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on February 23, 2017, 10:23:11 AM
Was a great looking quattro from memory, I think he showed it at Ellerslie one year when I had the RS2.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Audidude on March 01, 2017, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: RRURQ on February 20, 2017, 02:19:36 PM
Yes agree MB rarest here and UK too, is the Black one you refer to Rex's RR?

You mean the black non-NZ new RR? As you have the white non-NZ one and Horch (who should know) says there are only 4 RRs left in NZ (the 3 NZ new ones and yours), the black one must have been exported - and I think that was Rex who took it with him??

Horch has the white NZ new RR I believe (Auckland), I have the red one (Hamilton), and the black one (ex  Dave Eaton, ex Rohd Murray) is now domiciled in Hamilton. I have been in touch with the owner but we haven't met yet.

RRs have shot up dramatically in UK sales over the 4 years I've owned mine.

The 3 NZ new ones are in excellent condition, the red and black ones in very close to factory original spec. Mine is rust free. Don't know about the others (Horch?).

Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RS ZWEI on March 01, 2017, 08:25:26 PM
There are 5 RR's in NZ Scouts honor.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: WRURQ on March 01, 2017, 09:07:56 PM
Yes agree, the 3 NZ New one's plus my White RR UK import and Rex's Black RR import which is now back in NZ, was chatting to him at Galaxy of Cars and he was showing me some pics as just started working on the engine with head off etc.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Horch on March 01, 2017, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: Audidude on March 01, 2017, 07:04:52 PM
The 3 NZ new ones are in excellent condition, the red and black ones in very close to factory original spec. Mine is rust free. Don't know about the others (Horch?).

The NZ new alpine 20v has had an engine enhancement which was an increase in capacity using a new crankshaft and rods. The Nothelle tuning company made available a number of performance packages which included engine bottom end control unit, turbo dump valve upgrades etc.  I have all the invoices and the kit alone cost DM11,000 in the day. Not including installation.

The bonus is I received all the original items with the purchase so returning it to std spec is totally possible.
It has still a nice linear torque curve just far more urgency similar to an RS2.

The car has not seen rain and is still very clean. I worked out that during my ownership it has only travelled approx 700km per year.




Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Audidude on March 02, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: Horch on March 01, 2017, 11:19:36 PM
The NZ new alpine 20v has had an engine enhancement which was an increase in capacity using a new crankshaft and rods. The Nothelle tuning company made available a number of performance packages which included engine bottom end control unit, turbo dump valve upgrades etc.  I have all the invoices and the kit alone cost DM11,000 in the day. Not including installation.

The bonus is I received all the original items with the purchase so returning it to std spec is totally possible.
It has still a nice linear torque curve just far more urgency similar to an RS2.

The car has not seen rain and is still very clean. I worked out that during my ownership it has only travelled approx 700km per year.

Brilliant.

I must work out my annual KMs (at work again..) but i'm pretty sure in 4 years it's done less than 6000kms, and that was with one road trip in Easter 2013 from Hamilton to the opening of Highlands Motorsport Park in Cromwell.
The only problem we had on the trip (undertaken with a little anxiety in a 23 year old car), was a broken throttle cable cam on the throttle body - caused by a temporary repair I had put in place using a circlip rather than the original clip, which cut through the plastic cam - fixed with a cable tie (what else?!). I have since sourced a replacement throttle body from Audi Tradition (at silly money!) and fixed properly. That was the only way I could source the cam part.

My friend who shared the driving with me is a dyed in the wool Honda guy (no he doesn't wear his cap backwards!) - and after driving his first stint he expressed extremely high praise for the way the car drove. He was actually very surprised at how good it was. :)

Likewise I avoid rain like the plague - these cars (even the 20Vs) were not completely galvanised (tragically, as Rob C will attest!). It is unclear (at least to me) which components are galvanised in the body - Horch?

It would be great to get the 3 NZ new 20Vs together for a photoshoot and chin wag - perhaps as part of an ur quattro get together when Rob's project is done (what an awesome undertaking!).

Here's some pictures of the red and black cars together in Napier soon after I bought mine - thanks to Nik and Matt G for organising the get together :). The liveried up WR is still owned by the then owner of the black car, Rohd Murray I think - Nik may be able to confirm. It's a dress up, not a rally spec car.

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff248%2Faudidude%2FUr%2520quattro%2Furq_3peas_zps0c4cae12.jpg&hash=c332b662c23824d2fc77acb2edc07bc79d60b239) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/audidude/media/Ur%20quattro/urq_3peas_zps0c4cae12.jpg.html)
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff248%2Faudidude%2FUr%2520quattro%2Furq_3peasb_zpsaf361cad.jpg&hash=9106c012678e48b6e11135e7d66d1a10a03273a5) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/audidude/media/Ur%20quattro/urq_3peasb_zpsaf361cad.jpg.html)
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff248%2Faudidude%2FUr%2520quattro%2Furq_3peasc_zps52301fe1.jpg&hash=f2f7decafcc61b7b90454f6fdf6377b59f6717f9) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/audidude/media/Ur%20quattro/urq_3peasc_zps52301fe1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RobClubley on March 02, 2017, 09:40:56 AM
I'd love to think that I can get mine done for the September 30th VASK meet at Taupo but I can't guarantee it. Definitely up for a meet up when mine's done :D
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Horch on March 03, 2017, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Audidude on March 02, 2017, 09:32:41 AM

It would be great to get the 3 NZ new 20Vs together for a photoshoot and chin wag - perhaps as part of an ur quattro get together when Rob's project is done (what an awesome undertaking!).


Ok I'm in if you can get the Graphite 20v to attend then let's get the old girls back together for a reunion. Almost be sure EMD will value the local historic value of such a reunion for a classic segment of the Audi magazine all those years on. 

Graphite, Tornado & Alpine.... The last time the three cars were together was in 1990 lined up in a lockup off carbine road Mt Wellington brand spanking new unregistered. They were surrounded by Audi 80s 100s and a small number of 200s. This was significant at the time to order 3 cars of this value as stock.

Early days prior to the Ur quattro title ever being invented they were more commonly referred too on the inside as the 'Full House quattro' which to me was the genesis title for the beast they were.  Just as it is today there was a lot of 'quattro' speak relating to the model range being sedan, coupe and avant variants of the day.

Full House quattro only related to the flagship as it was.  Anyway bring back Group B .....

Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Audi do on June 10, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
Curious to know how many coupe quattro are in New Zealand?.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: slowburn on June 12, 2017, 09:35:18 AM
i know of mine,a blue one and a beautiful low km red one in welly
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Audi do on June 12, 2017, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: slowburn on June 12, 2017, 09:35:18 AM
i know of mine,a blue one and a beautiful low km red one in welly
And mine which makes four.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: slowburn on June 13, 2017, 11:15:28 AM
there is that white one with black leather that was for sale a couple of years back on TM....so that is 5 that i can verify
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: onthebogalot on October 22, 2017, 09:21:43 PM
I still have a WR in my garage no money to get it back on the road, one day I keep saying.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on October 22, 2017, 10:17:06 PM
Quote from: onthebogalot on October 22, 2017, 09:21:43 PM
I still have a WR in my garage no money to get it back on the road, one day I keep saying.

What further needs doing now, any progress?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: slowburn on October 23, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
yeah,i was wondering about that too martyn,long time no post? how you doing man?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: FFS on October 23, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
On the subject of how many ur quattros in NZ, there are some others I recall from along the way and which may still be kicking around somewhere. I'll list them below, and someone else may be able to shed some more light on them. In fact maybe we could list all the cars we know of, and a bit about them if anyone's keen, and see what sort of list we end up with. Worthwhile or no? I'll start one off anyway listing the ones I have learnt a bit about, plus my own cars. I'll leave the mainstream known urq's to be included by their current owners if they wish to. Feel free to add to it.

1) A light bronze RR purchased by Rex Archer from a car dealer on The Strand in Parnell, Auckland, around 1998. I don't know the colour exact, I never saw it but I corresponded with him at the time. Is he Rex who took his black urq overseas? Is it the same car repainted perhaps?

2) The blue 10v alloy-blocked WR which featured in NZ Classic car. Is that the car which member Blue10v converted to 20v?

3) A black urq owned (and occasionally raced by) Tubbs Wanigasekera here in NZ back in the 1990's. He put it in storage to preserve it and instead then raced a Subaru Legacy. - He went on to drive in BTCC in Britain then to manage Aaron Slight in it, and also managed Emmerdale actor Kelvin Fletcher in Porsche GT3 Cup challenge, - something it appears the both of them are still involved. (As if that's not enough, along the way Wanigasekera started a chain of successful coffee houses in the UK.)

4) My first urq, an 83 Mars Red WR. NJ1444. I sold it about 2000 through a car dealer in Auckland. Deregistered in 2004, the person who bought it ruined it and left it sitting under a tree. It was subsequently purchased by a car wrecker for a worthwhile low sum and who, as at 2010/11, was refurbishing it.

5) Glen and Craig Hughes Mars Red WR, occasionally rallyed. NQ3549. I spoke with Craig years ago, and the car was in need of some parts then, and was off the road in Christchurch. There is a record on the internet of the car retiring from a 2007 rally due to mechanical failure. Nik knew the original owner/importer (UR Mad) by the sound of an earlier thread.

6) My daughters Lago WR, at home under cover. TX8639. Imported from UK in 1996, deregistered in 2000. Complete and drives, is awaiting refurbishment (rust issues). Imported and fitted a replacement digital dash from the UK recently, the car had none when I bought it.

7) My pearl MB. NS2146. Manufactured late 87, imported from UK and registered in NZ on 11th Jan 1988.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: RobClubley on October 23, 2017, 09:54:34 PM
You all know about mine :)

8 ) Project Rusty. Almost back on the road. 1985 Montego Black WR, UK new and imported to NZ in 1995. Has had 7 owners in NZ, been damaged and repaired at least once.  Parked in a paddock in Tauranga from 2005 for about 7 years then in a shed for another 3-4 years.
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Audidude on October 24, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: Horch on March 03, 2017, 12:08:03 AM
Ok I'm in if you can get the Graphite 20v to attend then let's get the old girls back together for a reunion. Almost be sure EMD will value the local historic value of such a reunion for a classic segment of the Audi magazine all those years on. 

Graphite, Tornado & Alpine.... The last time the three cars were together was in 1990 lined up in a lockup off carbine road Mt Wellington brand spanking new unregistered. They were surrounded by Audi 80s 100s and a small number of 200s. This was significant at the time to order 3 cars of this value as stock.

Early days prior to the Ur quattro title ever being invented they were more commonly referred too on the inside as the 'Full House quattro' which to me was the genesis title for the beast they were.  Just as it is today there was a lot of 'quattro' speak relating to the model range being sedan, coupe and avant variants of the day.

Full House quattro only related to the flagship as it was.  Anyway bring back Group B .....

Anyone know Horch? I?ve PMd him re getting the 3 NZ new 20Vs  together again, as two of us, the red and black, are getting together on the 18th Nov, but no reply.

Can someone give him a nudge please?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Pushbutton_auto on October 24, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
Whats up on the 18th, Greg ?
Title: Re: How many Urquattros in New Zealand?
Post by: Audidude on October 25, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
A few of us are getting together for a classic car road trip and dinner in Taupo.
ur quattros x2, E30 M3  AM Vantage hopefully RS2. Trying to get hold of Horch to get the white NZ new 20V along. Can someone message me his contact phone or email?