Hey all,
Does anyone in NZ / AKL carry out remaps using MTM, AMD or Oettinger components?
I have recently purchased a 2000 S3 and judging by overseas comments it is well worth doing.
Giltraps are getting back to me but are there any other recommended specialists out there?
Cheers,
Well the guy in the club who was doing AMD has just left the Country..
MTM (the AMD guy said) is not suited to NZ fuel or octanes.. and A/f? ratios etc are running really trim..
Talk to "simon R32" maybe he could help you out he has a S3 as well.. his has been AMD re mapped
I was looking to Get AMD chipping but now its not available.. so i might just go with Revo Technick.. it seems to be the only option left...
I have an AMD one click on my wifes S3. It really is worth doing and its very simple to do, if you need more info please pm me
Cheers
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 09, 2005, 04:19:52 PM
I have an AMD one click on my wifes S3. It really is worth doing and its very simple to do, if you need more info please pm me
Cheers
1click is the Revo style 'load it yourself' stuff ?
What Octane is it written for ?
I dunno but im dying for more HP cos the golf needs a new breath of life
It?s written for 96 octane upwards, we always put 98 in.
There is a flat spot between 2500 and 3000, it?s a little frustrating but overall we both are well impressed with it.
I spotted your RS4 in Albany last week, looks amazing and I love that colour! We nearly bought Rex?s RS4 but my wife loves her S3 and says it was too big for her, believe me I am still trying to convince her that it is a lovely family car and to stop being so selfish!
One day i will have an RS4, but in the mean time my twin turbo R32 project will have to do!
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 10, 2005, 09:12:59 AM
It?s written for 96 octane upwards, we always put 98 in.
There is a flat spot between 2500 and 3000, it?s a little frustrating but overall we both are well impressed with it.
I spotted your RS4 in Albany last week, looks amazing and I love that colour! We nearly bought Rex?s RS4 but my wife loves her S3 and says it was too big for her, believe me I am still trying to convince her that it is a lovely family car and to stop being so selfish!
One day i will have an RS4, but in the mean time my twin turbo R32 project will have to do!
Whats this Simon? R32 Twin Turbo project? Would you like to let us in on this???
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on November 10, 2005, 09:27:44 AM
Whats this Simon? R32 Twin Turbo project? Would you like to let us in on this???
About time you spilled the beans simon, ive heard a few different stories!
What ever it is, it will be awesome :)
Ive heard of a 1.8t Twin turbo project .. not lol
Well it will be a HPA twin turbo kit with twin intercoolers also with upgraded cams, upgrades to the clutch is a must, also having launch control. The bonnet, doors, tailgate and wings will be carbon fibre. The interior will be just two seats (lightweight race) with roll cage. I am having the shell seem welded.
The brakes will be full AP race all round and suspension will be full race coil overs.
The list goes on and on, but it is my aim to make this the fastest golf ever >:D, the project should be finished by July 06. ;)
will you be using the original block and chassis etc from the original 32
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 10:29:12 AM
Well it will be a HPA twin turbo kit with twin intercoolers also with upgraded cams, upgrades to the clutch is a must, also having launch control. The bonnet, doors, tailgate and wings will be carbon fibre. The interior will be just two seats (lightweight race) with roll cage. I am having the shell seem welded.
The brakes will be full AP race all round and suspension will be full race coil overs.
The list goes on and on, but it is my aim to make this the fastest golf ever >:D, the project should be finished by July 06. ;)
holy crap dude, sounds mean.
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 10:29:12 AM
Well it will be a HPA twin turbo kit with twin intercoolers also with upgraded cams, upgrades to the clutch is a must, also having launch control. The bonnet, doors, tailgate and wings will be carbon fibre. The interior will be just two seats (lightweight race) with roll cage. I am having the shell seem welded.
The brakes will be full AP race all round and suspension will be full race coil overs.
The list goes on and on, but it is my aim to make this the fastest golf ever >:D, the project should be finished by July 06. ;)
Wahoo!
Sounds crazy man :)
will be using the original block but the internals will be changed, forged pistons and different crank and head bolts etc, like I said the list goes on and on. I looked at putting an RS4 engine and running gear on the R32, but I wasn?t confident with the feed back I was getting.
I have been given figures of over 600BHP, but let?s wait and see >:D
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 11:33:05 AM
will be using the original block but the internals will be changed, forged pistons and different crank and head bolts etc, like I said the list goes on and on. I looked at putting an RS4 engine and running gear on the R32, but I wasn?t confident with the feed back I was getting.
I have been given figures of over 600BHP, but let?s wait and see >:D
The RS4 engine would have been more stress than its worth..
The Existing R32 engine has got bigger displacement anyway.. i know which one i would be putting my money on ;)
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 11:33:05 AM
will be using the original block but the internals will be changed, forged pistons and different crank and head bolts etc, like I said the list goes on and on. I looked at putting an RS4 engine and running gear on the R32, but I wasn?t confident with the feed back I was getting.
I have been given figures of over 600BHP, but let?s wait and see >:D
Sounds incredible, will this thing be road legal?
i dont think it would be that difficult to make road legal.. just expensive with stupid compliance costs
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 11:33:05 AM
will be using the original block but the internals will be changed, forged pistons and different crank and head bolts etc, like I said the list goes on and on. I looked at putting an RS4 engine and running gear on the R32, but I wasn?t confident with the feed back I was getting.
I have been given figures of over 600BHP, but let?s wait and see >:D
Did you buy a new R32 since your one was stolen Simon?
Oh and good luck with the project, it sounds great!
Rex mentioned once that the heads on the R32 are that good when used for FORCED Induction!
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 10:29:12 AM
Well it will be a HPA twin turbo kit with twin intercoolers also with upgraded cams, upgrades to the clutch is a must, also having launch control. The bonnet, doors, tailgate and wings will be carbon fibre. The interior will be just two seats (lightweight race) with roll cage. I am having the shell seem welded.
The brakes will be full AP race all round and suspension will be full race coil overs.
The list goes on and on, but it is my aim to make this the fastest golf ever >:D, the project should be finished by July 06. ;)
whats it gonna be used for ? Just street use ?
Who is doing the work ?
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 15, 2005, 10:29:12 AM
my aim to make this the fastest golf ever >:D
dahlback won't like that statement! your R32 was awesome before it got stolen! those pricks!
It?s my R32 that was stolen that I am using for this project, I got the car back in a million pieces!
I was worried about the heads on the R32, but I have spoken to several companies that either turbo charge or super charge this engine, they have never had one fail so far.
This car will be road legal but I will only use it for track days and Sunday fun (also hoping to blow a few Skylines off at the ? mile). I am using the guy who did my AmD 300 bhp conversion, so he knows his way around the R32, Gary Capper is an ex WRC mechanic.
I just love the look of the R32, yes i know it seems silly doing all this work (according to my wife!) but i want something different, hopefully i will also need to carry spare undies every time i go out in it! ;D
Quote from: R32 Simon on November 16, 2005, 03:35:06 PM
It?s my R32 that was stolen that I am using for this project, I got the car back in a million pieces!
I was worried about the heads on the R32, but I have spoken to several companies that either turbo charge or super charge this engine, they have never had one fail so far.
This car will be road legal but I will only use it for track days and Sunday fun (also hoping to blow a few Skylines off at the ? mile). I am using the guy who did my AmD 300 bhp conversion, so he knows his way around the R32, Gary Capper is an ex WRC mechanic.
I just love the look of the R32, yes i know it seems silly doing all this work (according to my wife!) but i want something different, hopefully i will also need to carry spare undies every time i go out in it!? ;D
go simon that shape R32 is the best
The RS6 needs some compitition on the megadrives, sounds awesome :)
Quote from: 1.8t on November 16, 2005, 04:35:01 PM
The RS6 needs some compitition on the megadrives, sounds awesome :)
The RS6 had all the competition he needed with me .. lol not
Is it Simons OLD car ? Back from the theifs ?
Yeah he got it back in millions of peices from the ware house in... wait for it... surprise surprise.. south auckland
Quote from: hitmanGTI on November 16, 2005, 06:25:34 PM
Yeah he got it back in millions of peices from the ware house in... wait for it... surprise surprise.. south auckland
If you dont mind me asking, i'm wondering what he got it for $$ wise.
Dont ask me... Ask simon... lol ::)
Hi I'm a new member here and I have a 2001 s3 with an mtm chip and it works fine on 97.5 and 98 octane. I would definitely recommend one although I bought my car already chipped and didn't have to shell out for the chip which I understand can be quite pricey. At any rate the car has a huge amount of torque and drives really well although it drops off a bit top end and there isn't any point in revving it past 6000 rpm.
Contacted Giltraps recently re getting a stainless steel mtm exhaust and they are hopeless. They said they would call me back and that was over two weeks ago.
:)
personally just from what i have scene and the information rex had eductaed me wit.. MTM is not as great as everyone makes it out to be.. what we observed when a 1.8t A4 quattro was on the dyno.. it was running so lean it was practically running on air..
Quote from: VB on November 22, 2005, 09:29:49 AM
Hi I'm a new member here and I have a 2001 s3 with an mtm chip and it works fine on 97.5 and 98 octane. I would definitely recommend one although I bought my car already chipped and didn't have to shell out for the chip which I understand can be quite pricey. At any rate the car has a huge amount of torque and drives really well although it drops off a bit top end and there isn't any point in revving it past 6000 rpm.
Contacted Giltraps recently re getting a stainless steel mtm exhaust and they are hopeless. They said they would call me back and that was over two weeks ago.
:)
Wecome to the forum, what colour is your S3?
Have you thought of the idea of getting a Miltek exhaust?
Hi hitmanGTI its nogaro blue and I've read about the miltek system although I have no idea how much a system costs and what gains are available although I'm sure the performance is probably similar. Any ideas?
Regarding the a4 it doesn't sound like it was running right if it was running lean. The problem may not have been solely down to the chip although I haven't seen this particular car and don't know what the set up is how many hp it was supposed to be putting down etc.
I've got no complaints with my chip except the lack of top end although that's probably due to the turbo. I understand Mtm chips are expensive and so in terms of value for money the benefit may be questionable in comparison to a good remapping but NZ doesn't seem to have all the remapping options that the uk has. I fully reaslise from reading a uk forum that remapping is just as effective and cheaper and sometimes the results are even better.
Surely what someone said from AMD about a competitor can't be objective. He was obviously looking to close a deal. 8)
Quote from: VB on November 22, 2005, 04:49:44 PM
Surely what someone said from AMD about a competitor can't be objective. He was obviously looking to close a deal. 8)
MTM products seem to have there problems out here in NZ. There have been a few forum members that have changed from MTM to other tuning brands.
From what I understand MTM chips have very peaky power delivery and not as much torque as other tuners chips.
My chip is very torquey and isn't peaky. The first thing I noticed when I took it for a test drive and had heard that it had been chipped was that it had a lot of torque somewhere in the vicinity of 370nm @ 3300 rpm which is up from 270 nm standard. The peak power is at 5500rpm which is pretty low.
http://mtm-online.de/en/audi_kit_S3155Q_M0S3210250QX.html
I haven't bothered trying to equal the 0-100 time yet as my car is heavier than standard due to the seats I think and I want to conserve my gear box. The car feels very quick though.
Failing the link I've posted perhaps you need to come for a ride some time. Personally I would like a little bit more up top but realise that I would have to upgrade the turbo to soemthing a little larger or perhaps go for a fmic or change the cams. Not interested in messing round with the cams though.
The cost of the chip on the site is 1300 euros so at least $2,000 in NZ and if you can get similar results from AMD or revo or someone similar then go for it as it will likely be significantly cheaper and ultimately better value.
Either way.. chip no chip.. i like the sound of your car, millteks are a nice sounding exhaust.. i have one.. it looks very well built..etc etc.. however.. its noisy because of the stainless..
and since purchase i have learned stainless isnt necessary in NZ cos there is no salt on our roads so mild systems work and last for just as long..
doesnt mean i dont like the milly
ps. it doesnt hurt to give your gearbox crap everynow and then... i do it daily >:D
Quote from: VB on November 22, 2005, 05:49:04 PM
The cost of the chip on the site is 1300 euros so at least $2,000 in NZ and if you can get similar results from AMD or revo or someone similar then go for it as it will likely be significantly cheaper and ultimately better value.
the guy who started this thread got quoted $3k from Giltraps to fit an mtm chip in his S3.
He's trying out a revo on at the moment.
3000 damn that..
Im going to go revo out of the pure fact they do not have to open my ecu..! oh yeah
and minus about 1300 dollars
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Contacted Giltraps recently re getting a stainless steel mtm exhaust and they are hopeless. They said they would call me back and that was over two weeks ago.
:)
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If you are interesed in a Milltek catback exhaust for your S3 at a great price,PM Jem (orggti) on VASK.
Also if you want to improve the top end performance in your S3,fit a silicon hose kit.S3s suffer badly from hose expansion under boost and squeezing under vaccuum.Of the few S3s I have modified,all benefitted from fitting silicon hoses.
Quote from: Turbo NotLo on November 22, 2005, 06:38:45 PM
the guy who started this thread got quoted $3k from Giltraps to fit an mtm chip in his S3.
He's trying out a revo on at the moment.
Try $6k for an RS4 chip !
Hey all.
Cheers for the replies. Basically having removed an MTM upgrade from the equation due to Giltrap?s $3000 quote I researched Revo-Technik and via their website made contact with the NZ agent, Paul Watson at EuroTechnic in Mt Maunganui. He was very helpful and when I asked was more than happy to give me a free 5 ?driving hours? trial. The ability to trial the Revo system is pretty cool. So on Saturday he was in Auckland upgrading a Skoda and swung by my place armed with a laptop and the Revo software. Very simple, he plugged in, scanned the system, identified the ECU, selected the software and pressed go. Ten minutes later I had 265hp ? for a whole 5 hours. And it was noticeable. I could hear the DV more than usual for a start and the car was definitely pulling harder on my drive to Raglan as the guy in the silver WRX will confirm. Am pretty sure I will put down my $1750 for the kit in the New Year. May dyno it before and after just to see. The exhaust and silicon hoses info is interesting too. It?s a slippery slope this stuff eh.
Cheers again.
S3NZ sounds like excellent value for money. $3,000 for a chip is incredibly expensive and $6,000 for an rs4 chip is unbelievable.
265hp sounds like a lot of fun and 15hp more than mine. I'm sure you will enjoy! ;D
Thanks for the good advice guys. I think I will look into the silicon hose mod and I'm already jealous of the 265hp remap available from revo. Having heard how much the mtm chip was I'm guessing that the exhaust will be a lot more and won't be money well spent. Think I find out about the miltek.
Quote from: VB on November 23, 2005, 12:37:19 PM
Thanks for the good advice guys. I think I will look into the silicon hose mod and I'm already jealous of the 265hp remap available from revo. Having heard how much the mtm chip was I'm guessing that the exhaust will be a lot more and won't be money well spent. Think I find out about the miltek.
Just remember.. all those power quotes can be debateable..
also.. you will probabaly achieve the same power if not more if you add a Proper Sporting Exhaust System
From what i have read.. the Revo power claims are usually with an Exhaust system bolted on etc blah blah blah..
up to you to decide..
but there are some nice premade exhaust systems currently available from VASK user ORGGTI contact him to see what you got if you want a beautiful Stainless exhaust
wise words.
Quote from: S3NZ on November 23, 2005, 03:40:28 PM
wise words.
LMAO if you're referring to HITMAN! no offence intended anton!
I dont get it???
I lost
Quote from: NasTnaS on November 23, 2005, 08:41:37 PM
LMAO if you're referring to HITMAN! no offence intended anton!
I think Antons comment above makes sence.
Quote from: VB on November 22, 2005, 04:45:34 PM
Hi hitmanGTI its nogaro blue.
Welcome to the exclusive Noggy club! :)
Another option to consider when tuning is to order your gear from Australia and use a local installer. I use APR over in Australia myself. Although to be fair I was using them over in Australia before I moved to NZ, and so the majority of my mods were done by them over there. They are pretty good on the shipping and of course you don't pay the Aussie GST (there are ways to reduce the corresponding NZ GST on importing)
S3 and R32 owners should really consider the Haldex PreX controller, it really does make a difference. I hardly notice any understear any more. It pretty much tracks perfectly. It works by predicting the torque based on throttle position, so that the rear wheels are engaged before the torque actually hits (whereas the existing system waits for wheel slip, which is too late).
Cheers, Ed.
I'm definitely considering a haldex controller but should I be looking at modifying the factory suspension first as well? Also eddyg did you get your fmic installed here? Just curious as keen to get one.
Quote from: VB on November 24, 2005, 04:35:44 PM
I'm definitely considering a haldex controller but should I be looking at modifying the factory suspension first as well? Also eddyg did you get your fmic installed here? Just curious as keen to get one.
I reckon Haldex first, then suspension. Although no big deal either way.
As for the FMIC, I got it installed in Oz, but it was an import from Europe, anyone (skilled in the art) could install it. However in NZ conditions I really don't think it's worth its extra weight (which is considerable, especially given that it's forward of the front wheels). In Oz I got it 'cos I was getting considerable power fade when the temp was greater than 35 degrees, but we don't get that very often in NZ.
Cheers, Ed.
Sweet thanks Ed.
Keen to do the milltek first cat back but interested in getting a hi flow cat or removing the cat altogether. Does any one have ahi flow cat?
Quote from: VB on November 29, 2005, 05:25:09 PM
Sweet thanks Ed.
Keen to do the milltek first cat back but interested in getting a hi flow cat or removing the cat altogether. Does any one have ahi flow cat?
Remove it completly... makes your exhaust smell nicer
all AmD parts is available at Pukekohe's HiTech tuning station.
www.bobhomewood.com They have dyno and everything
Quote from: amdap on November 30, 2005, 08:08:45 AM
all AmD parts is available at Pukekohe's HiTech tuning station.
www.bobhomewood.com? They have dyno and everything
Are you saying they do AMD chipping ?
Quote from: HitmanGTI on November 29, 2005, 06:22:33 PM
Remove it completly... makes your exhaust smell nicer
Good call! Sounds like a cheap gain. ;D
It;s great that cats aren't compulsory here like in the UK. Would it be worth putting in a resonator in the place of the cat or go for straight pipe?
Quote from: beeker on November 30, 2005, 05:36:53 PM
Are you saying they do AMD chipping ?
They Do indeed apparently
Yes , Mr Bob homewood and his crew now handles all AmD NZ enquiries. They are a very professional team with the correct tools and even a dyno.
rest assure your vehicle is safe with him
Quote from: amdap on November 30, 2005, 06:48:58 PM
Yes , Mr Bob homewood and his crew now handles all AmD NZ enquiries.? They are a very professional team with the correct tools and even a dyno.
rest assure your vehicle is safe with him
Thats good to know.
Are you connected with him ? I just notice your AmDxx Logon
Its Ching.
hey its Rex ;D
Well well ching.. you dissapeard for a while.???
So many questions to ask and you dissapeard :(
lol
welcom bk
Quote from: VB on November 24, 2005, 04:35:44 PM
I'm definitely considering a haldex controller but should I be looking at modifying the factory suspension first as well? Also eddyg did you get your fmic installed here? Just curious as keen to get one.
BTW. It appears that APR in Oz are now doing an FMIC. It looks nicer than the one I've got, it integrates better with the bumper. With my FMIC you have to remove the metal bump bar, which I wasn't happy with. It's announced on the Ozzie Audi forum:
http://www.ozaudi.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5636
Again, I'm not sure that this is needed by your average NZ car, only if you have lots of hot weather and or do drag racing.
Cheers, Ed.
Thanks Eddy. What is everyone's thoughts on hybrid turbos? Found a guy that sells k04s with a larger compressor for $1650. Options include port/polished turbine housing ($125), ceramic coating ($100), and clipped turbine wheel ($100).
Should prevent the lag from upgrading to a larger turbo but not as proven.
http://buehnengineering.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37&sid=1cd5b81bc28914fbd9219445b1e77893
Quote from: VB on December 04, 2005, 11:03:20 PM
Thanks Eddy. What is everyone's thoughts on hybrid turbos? Found a guy that sells k04s with a larger compressor for $1650. Options include port/polished turbine housing ($125), ceramic coating ($100), and clipped turbine wheel ($100).
Should prevent the lag from upgrading to a larger turbo but not as proven.
http://buehnengineering.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37&sid=1cd5b81bc28914fbd9219445b1e77893
My concern would be getting a custom MAP for it. I'm not aware of anyone in NZ that can cutom chip tune modern VAG cars.
For clarity, yes, they can install already created MAP's for OEM setups, but not cutom Dyno one off's.
Quote from: VB on December 04, 2005, 11:03:20 PM
Thanks Eddy. What is everyone's thoughts on hybrid turbos? Found a guy that sells k04s with a larger compressor for $1650. Options include port/polished turbine housing ($125), ceramic coating ($100), and clipped turbine wheel ($100).
Should prevent the lag from upgrading to a larger turbo but not as proven.
http://buehnengineering.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37&sid=1cd5b81bc28914fbd9219445b1e77893
If you use a Ko3 Hybrid you wont need to be remapped.. flow of turbo is being increased with the reduction of heat. (or so they say anyway)
If your going Hybrid in your car.. it needs the K03 Exhaust Side and the Ko4 Compressor Side..
You increase the Exhaust side to K04 they say it wont function any more
AmD have maps off the shelf for the Hybrid turbos and even maps for the bigger turbos if you look on their website
Thanks Beeker I was also worried that I wouldn't be able to get a remap done for it. I mate wait until I hear of some one in Australia succeeding with the set up and then ask them what they've done etc.
Quote from: HitmanGTI on December 05, 2005, 07:25:07 AM
If you use a Ko3 Hybrid you wont need to be remapped.. flow of turbo is being increased with the reduction of heat. (or so they say anyway)
If your going Hybrid in your car.. it needs the K03 Exhaust Side and the Ko4 Compressor Side..
You increase the Exhaust side to K04 they say it wont function any more
AmD have maps off the shelf for the Hybrid turbos and even maps for the bigger turbos if you look on their website
If you adapt any part of the cars engine, you will technically need a remap. If its a minor change, maybe not. To get performance from any mods or keep within safe tolerances, any any reasonable change will require a remap. Remember, under WOT you're working of a MAP, and not dynamic.
Classic example if someone at work that professionally installed a larger turbo on their Evo. They now do the 1/4 1 second slower that before. Once a custom computer is installed, it'll go ~1/2 faster than before. Another example is when I installed a Milltek exhaust and DP on my MTM A4TQM. It dropped !! 8KW over std. It needed a remap.
Quote from: VB on December 05, 2005, 04:42:59 PM
Thanks Beeker I was also worried that I wouldn't be able to get a remap done for it. I mate wait until I hear of some one in Australia succeeding with the set up and then ask them what they've done etc.
AU generally gets the same ECU#'s as NZ, ie Eurospec. Generally AU will be a good source of compatible bits. Their fuel is also ~similar.
GIAC has a good name also. Have a snoop on www.audiworld.com and post some queries on the Australian forum.
Quote from: VB on November 30, 2005, 05:39:17 PM
Good call! Sounds like a cheap gain.? ;D
It;s great that cats aren't compulsory here like in the UK. Would it be worth putting in a resonator in the place of the cat or go for straight pipe?
Put the resonator in other wise your car will sound like a honda
None of you mention Paul Watson. I use him for knowledge and bits and pieces on the RS6. Don't know him that well but seems like a nice guy. He REVO'd me.
http://www.eurotechnic.co.nz/the_people.html
Ive mentioned him in the other threads!!!! :D