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Title: E Vehicles
Post by: weta.worker on October 14, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
Not sure if anyone has seen these videos (converted vehicles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJLdzRJdKrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk

and then I went further down the rabbit hole

http://www.zelectricmotors.com/available/

and

http://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=40

Pretty interesting stuff (and I have a soft spot \ interest \ can't ignore e-vehicles)
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: brian on October 15, 2017, 08:49:39 AM
It's an area I keep an eye on as electrics certainly have their advantages in a lot of everyday use but still suffer sev?ere limitations in others.
I see them as very viable second vehicle.
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: schattenblau on October 15, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
and those converted classics seem to have even more limitations.

the 911 sounds like 110% ass !

leave the electric drive to modern EVs.

Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: brian on October 15, 2017, 02:11:09 PM
Quote from: schattenblau on October 15, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
and those converted classics seem to have even more limitations.

the 911 sounds like 110% ass !

leave the electric drive to modern EVs.

I would go along with this opinion 100%
As I see it the converted old vehicles combine the worst of both worlds. To work properly, the electric needs to be designed from the ground up for electric power and no hybrid nonsense to add a compromise to the whole design.
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: the phantom on October 15, 2017, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: schattenblau on October 15, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
and those converted classics seem to have even more limitations.

the 911 sounds like 110% ass !

leave the electric drive to modern EVs.

except that an older vehicle will inevitably be lighter than a contemporary one, therefore more range, performance etc, no electric seats, windows, air bags etc to weigh it down but more glass?  glass is heavy
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: schattenblau on October 15, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
i doubt the classic will be lighter with all the electrics and stuff put in.

:laugh:
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Gordo on October 15, 2017, 06:35:32 PM
Well we call them motorcars, not enginecars...
Shame they didn't get a new tacho' face silk screened to reflect the motor rpm.
Electric karmann Ghia would be rather cool, IMO - but not a fan of retro-fitting overall and that Jaguar is sacrilege!
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: brian on October 15, 2017, 07:51:12 PM
Quote from: schattenblau on October 15, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
i doubt the classic will be lighter with all the electrics and stuff put in.

:laugh:

Yeah, with low strength steels and no aluminium probably heavier than purpose designed even with airbags etc. plus, that still had the weight of the gearbox in it as well!!
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: RobClubley on October 16, 2017, 02:42:26 PM
I'm surprised they left the gearbox in there. Surely it's not really needed.
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: brian on October 16, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on October 16, 2017, 02:42:26 PM
I'm surprised they left the gearbox in there. Surely it's not really needed.

I suspect that was for simplicity and certainly unnecessary from a driving point of view and just adding extra weight which should have been saved if they were even slightly serious................kind of thing one may do in their backyard shed!!
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: tjsmada on October 16, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
I remember the electric P6 Rovers in Gattaca were pretty cool. I've always thought an Audi 100/200 would be kind of neat as an electric vehicle
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: schattenblau on October 16, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
if you're going to fantasyland....

the film in time had a nice electric e-type.

were the cars in gattaca electric or atomic powered

;D
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Horch on October 17, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
Just tragic to convert a classic car to full electric motive power.  The point of a classic restoration is to retain its original concept and appreciate its simplistic design or nostalgic value... I would have thought.

I agree with subtle enhancement to improve character and driving refinement. But turning popular classics into motoring eunuchs and Frankensteins. The average warm blooded enthusiast will respond with WTF?

Interesting that they don't upgrade an old Prius hybrid to an full EV ? (That's right ... because they're already a bloody disgrace). Am I alone or does everyone try to get into the solitairy 6cyl Holden siting 3 deep behind two Pruis at a taxi stand. If I'm paying full fare I'm emitting hydro carbons.

EV's will be upon us as fast as the development will allow and its staggering the investment under taken by the leading Europeans in the current arms race to be the first to volume production. I'm picking Tesla will go into financial collapse in the interim...  (Elon Musk = John Delorean??)

NZ needs to move along with the national infrastructure development required to support EV's with greater pace than current (excuse the pun). The average domestic 230v charging rates are to slow for real convenience. So households and businesses will need 3 phase wall box fast chargers to accomodate faster charge times. What's this mean for our national highways and tourist routes etc.

Truth is the sale of new hybrids and the limited EV's is no where near Simon Bridges objectives. That's because we are a 1 car per person nation of fossil fuel car loving people. We enjoy our present independence and freedom of driving range. And there is no incentive to convert to an EV. Ok...You can run up the bus lane for a couple weeks ..come on Si really.

The globally significant aspect aspect of EV introduction is yet to come. The long term loss of tax revenue from fossil fuel and displacement of industry(s) reliant on oil.  (Yeah I know...yawn)

While I'm waiting for the above I'll enjoy my classics running on good old fashioned motor spirits...



Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: dubstar on October 17, 2017, 06:08:10 PM
I disagree. Converting classics to EV is the only way they are going to stay on the road long term (in 25 years).  Eventually the tech will simply out-price petrol/diesel and then how long before petrol stations become non-existent?  Also, just the fact that you have a classic that is 'green' is enough to sell me on the idea. 

At the moment we aren't there yet with the battery tech, but we will be sooner rather later and then conversions become a very nice solution for classics.

Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: schattenblau on October 17, 2017, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: tjsmada on October 16, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
I remember the electric P6 Rovers in Gattaca were pretty cool. I've always thought an Audi 100/200 would be kind of neat as an electric vehicle

Quote from: schattenblau on October 16, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
if you're going to fantasyland....

the film in time had a nice electric e-type.

were the cars in gattaca electric or atomic powered

;D

re-watching the film, it appears the cars were neither electric nor atomic; rather they were some form of gas turbine.

:laugh:
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: tjsmada on October 17, 2017, 06:57:41 PM
Just as nature intended then  ;)
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Worms on October 17, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
At what percentage of NZs vehicle fleet being electric, do we run out of electricity (again)?

The last time we had to reduce consumption wasn't too long ago, was it?
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Gordo on October 17, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
Quote from: Worms on October 17, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
At what percentage of NZs vehicle fleet being electric, do we run out of electricity (again)?

The last time we had to reduce consumption wasn't too long ago, was it?

And with the typical government shortsighted pennypinching there is also a decent risk of losing the main feed to Auckland as they decided not only to run the secondary power line through the volcanic plateau - with the probability of losing it from physical damage or from a build up of volcanic dust across the insulators - but they decided against a backup gas generator at Marsden Point where, IIRC, they took out the coal burner.
In theory, electric all the way, but there are also drawbacks.
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: brian on October 17, 2017, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: Gordo on October 17, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
And with the typical government shortsighted pennypinching there is also a decent risk of losing the main feed to Auckland as they decided not only to run the secondary power line through the volcanic plateau - with the probability of losing it from physical damage or from a build up of volcanic dust across the insulators - but they decided against a backup gas generator at Marsden Point where, IIRC, they took out the coal burner.
In theory, electric all the way, but there are also drawbacks.

Who's concerned about the Auckland electricity supply? ;D
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Pushbutton_auto on October 17, 2017, 09:51:45 PM
We just tell Rio Tinto to fk off .........

:)
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Gordo on October 18, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
Lose the straits cable and everyone in the North Island is f***ed - or when the quake* takes out Haywards.
The Rio Tinto comment seems particularly WTF? - being south of the main power generation would mean anything down there would have f***-all affect on distribution issues in the North Island.
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: the phantom on October 18, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Gordo on October 18, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
Lose the straits cable and everyone in the North Island is f***ed - or when the quake* takes out Haywards.
The Rio Tinto comment seems particularly WTF? - being south of the main power generation would mean anything down there would have f***-all affect on distribution issues in the North Island.

"The smelter's power demand from the national grid is about 570 MW. Most of the energy for the smelter is supplied from the Manapouri hydroelectric power station, via two double circuit 220 kV transmission lines. The facility is the largest electricity consumer in New Zealand, and uses approximately one third of the total electricity consumed in the South Island and 13% of the total electricity nationwide, equivalent to about 680,000 households."  Wikipedia

does electicity run downhill?
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: schattenblau on October 18, 2017, 06:57:08 PM
yes and no.

electricity is affected by gravity.

but the effect is negligible.

;D
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: the phantom on October 18, 2017, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: schattenblau on October 18, 2017, 06:57:08 PM

but the effect is negligible.

;D

so the effect of gravity drawing electricity south towards the smelter is offset by the centrifugal force generated by the earth's rotation which would tend to send it to the North Island?  8)
Title: Re: E Vehicles
Post by: Gordo on October 19, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: the phantom on October 18, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
"The smelter's power demand from the national grid is about 570 MW. Most of the energy for the smelter is supplied from the Manapouri hydroelectric power station, via two double circuit 220 kV transmission lines. The facility is the largest electricity consumer in New Zealand, and uses approximately one third of the total electricity consumed in the South Island and 13% of the total electricity nationwide, equivalent to about 680,000 households."  Wikipedia

does electicity run downhill?

Don't try and be a smart-ass, guys - you can only do the latter part  :laugh:

Three things wrong with the windup - electricity moves in a circuit, or loop, so any perceived advantage in one direction is cancelled by the reversal in the other - and if anything, the earth's magnetic field would have more effect in a single direction.
The second is that it is just convention that has North to the top as there are other alternatives - http://www.bellerbyandco.com/index.php/globes.html so you can set your own perspecive, or for more conventional maps - https://www.flourish.org/upsidedownmap/
And, third, electricity needs a physical circuit to pass through and if it is broken - like losing the Cook Strait Cable or the Haywards transformer - it doesn't work or, come to that, the South Island end that converted the power from AC to DC for the cable.