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Title: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on September 15, 2008, 09:17:16 AM
So....
Cruising down College yesterday, just minding my own business, not speeding or doing anything silly and I get pulled over by a cop :police:. He says "nothing to panic about but i just wanted to let you know your plate is illegal, and we will be cracking down on them. No ticket, just a warning". He said that the NZ plates have a hologram and as such, the german plates don't and were illegal, even tho they are reflective on aluminium etc, etc.

Is this just another revenue making thing and can we fight this?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 09:21:54 AM
they are cracking down about it as they are looking for other means of revenue..

so if you search the forum you will see there is plenty of heated debate about this bullcrap topic

i havent botherd changing mine and im not going to

damn them.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on September 15, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
They can get f@#ked!
I've printed off the legislation from the LTSA (or whatever they call themselves now) website in the hope one of pigs will pull me over for this reason so I can show them they have nothing on us.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 15, 2008, 09:34:47 AM
No way to fight it.

You either pay the incredible price for a NZ issued one or you pay the incredible price to run with the German plates and get busted.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 09:36:21 AM
the only reason they will be enforcing this is because they probably beleive people are printing off incorrect numbers and stealing when in fact

dick heads that do that are just stealing plates..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 15, 2008, 09:42:55 AM
Wait and see I guess.
Another excuse to buy a PPlate with Euros I guess.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: ----- on September 15, 2008, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: Poonmobile on September 15, 2008, 09:17:16 AM
to panic about but i just wanted to let you know your plate is illegal, and we will be cracking down on them.

are you running the german D plate or the german NZ plate
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 15, 2008, 11:06:09 AM
Good question.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 15, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: GlenT on September 15, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
They can get f@#ked!
I've printed off the legislation from the LTSA (or whatever they call themselves now) website in the hope one of pigs will pull me over for this reason so I can show them they have nothing on us.

It's going to take a test case and/or complaint to the Commerce Commission to sort this I suspect.
Or we can roll over and let the bastards grind their jackboots into our faces  >:( >:(

I'll be the first to donate to someone's legal fees if there's a test case.

PLEDGE: $100 (any more pledges?)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on September 15, 2008, 12:36:53 PM
german d plate.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: Audidude on September 15, 2008, 12:33:05 PM
It's going to take a test case and/or complaint to the Commerce Commission to sort this I suspect.
Or we can roll over and let the bastards grind their jackboots into our faces  >:( >:(

I'll be the first to donate to someone's legal fees if there's a test case.

PLEDGE: $100 (any more pledges?)

Im happy to pledge at least 100
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 15, 2008, 12:55:40 PM
i've just been done for about 10 cars.
try that one! haha

We have stickers on totally legit Personalised Plates and they have said no to that also.
we are deforming the proprty of PP apparently and it is illegal.
load of bollocks but hey not really much i can do about it
i now have to go around and peel off every single sticker on every single plate (there were more but he didnt see them) also have to send a letter out to all my customers that i have stuck the stickers on to aswell.
b@stards
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on September 15, 2008, 12:57:16 PM
Hologram prob for the laser guns  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 15, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
http://www.comcom.govt.nz/Inquiries/contactus.aspx

Typing my complaint now...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 15, 2008, 01:11:33 PM
This is an enquiry/complaint about car number plates.

Myself and quite a few people I know have European cars, and standard NZ plates do not fit properly in the space on the car.
If you want to buy a Euro-sized version of your own plate from plates.co.nz it costs $399. Other manufacturers such as www.germanplates.com produce NZ replica plates to the correct spec for around $100 delivered.
Plates.co.nz are charged around $40 by their suppliers for these plates.
Several of my friends have been stopped by the police and warned or fined for having a replica plate (of their correct number, to NZ spec) which was not bought from plates.co.nz
Surely this is a monopoly if police are preventing you from using a correct spec plate from a different source?
The regulations state that the plate must be embossed metal with good contrast e.g. black or red on a white background, and reflective. The replica plates conform to this spec.

I look forward to hearing from you on this matter.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 01:18:57 PM
FYI when you buy Europlates its no longer Personalised Plates Property you OWN THEM! hence why you have to hand back Govt issue ones when disposing of and not the Euro Plates

they are damnstains looking for something else that they have us by the proverbial testicles by!

its only the Standard issue plates that are Govt Property

so i dont know who the damn they are kidding!

UGH my mother was just quoted 500 bucks to put Mercedes Black Europlates on Grandmas Suprise New Car!

WHAT THE damn! i mean HONESTLY!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 15, 2008, 01:26:14 PM
Damnit :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 15, 2008, 01:54:36 PM
Damning damners. ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 02:08:08 PM
yep

brick that im gonna get granny come Germanplates.com plates..

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 15, 2008, 02:54:31 PM
yeah cant say my boss is to happy having to replace all the ones that i have put the stickers on  :-\
and they now want to charge me $35 per pair to reproduce them  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 06:04:39 PM
WTF?

just take the stickers off

or tell who ever told you to take them off to get damned!

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on September 15, 2008, 06:59:52 PM
the only addvantage of a small town....the police here arent so up to date so i dont get hassled (yet)
for me its not just the price thats the annoying part.
i dont wana have a stupid fern and NZ flag on my European car.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 15, 2008, 07:14:12 PM
Just setup a competitor to plates.co.nz. If anyone else wants to look into this idea with me email me(looks at Anton).
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 15, 2008, 08:03:54 PM
Have you looked at their site recently?

You can get Ireland flags, GB, South Africa.

As long as you buy from the monopoly seller it's ok. Grr
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 15, 2008, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: HaNs on September 15, 2008, 07:14:12 PM
Just setup a competitor to plates.co.nz. If anyone else wants to look into this idea with me email me(looks at Anton).

Umm im keen

ok

problem is that plates have got the Contract for the NZ Transport crap thingy!

its apparently water tight.... althou.. could always fight it..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 15, 2008, 09:09:47 PM
I work and park at a police station everyday and had my BMW parked there for over a year with german plates, even asked the coppers would they pull me over and they said no, i will ask again tomorrow and find out what the score is and if there is a "drive" on at the moment. will post up tmw.  :( :( :(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 15, 2008, 09:24:19 PM
It's a mandated monopoly. It's actually written in statute that only one company enjoys the privilege at any one time.


Besides Lubeck, the owner of P/Plates needs the cash cow to fund his other ventures such as:

Flaxmill Bay (http://www.flaxmillbay.co.nz/index.html)
Pauanui Beach Accomodation (http://www.pauanuibeach.co.nz/)


among others.....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on September 15, 2008, 09:28:29 PM
its kinda like the gsb(govt stores board) contract for fuel batteries and tires, only one company at anyone time but after afew years they open the contract. but since pp are the only pirates in the bay they have no competition
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 08:30:51 AM
Well the Commerce Commission have a duty to investigate all complaints so if you all submit something maybe they'll take it more seriously.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 16, 2008, 08:47:08 AM
damn it who wants to make a plates business locally and make proper counterfeit plates with correct holo grams etc lol!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 16, 2008, 10:03:25 AM
You damning well make them Anton, you little damner! I can damning well bet the damning authorities will get all damning damned up about the damning comeptition and damning well damn you over! ;D

Good damning luck!! ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on September 16, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
Sounds like you were all damned out there Jason
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 16, 2008, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: qta4 on September 16, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
Sounds like you were all damned out there Jason
Damn straight! ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 16, 2008, 02:10:21 PM
The hologram is likely to be merely a 'geniune Licensys product' sticker. I think the real concern is that we're going to be seeing RFID tags built in to new plates and  only Licensys made plates are likely to include them.



All the more reason to get them from offshore I reckon.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 16, 2008, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: Pristle on September 16, 2008, 02:10:21 PM
The hologram is likely to be merely a 'geniune Licensys product' sticker. I think the real concern is that we're going to be seeing RFID tags built in to new plates and  only Licensys made plates are likely to include them.



All the more reason to get them from offshore I reckon.
Ah yes...the old conspiracy theories come out again, eh Pristle?

I agree, though...once licence plates are tagged, we're fair game for tracking and all sorts of Orwellian nonsense...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on September 16, 2008, 02:49:17 PM
But they still wouldn't be able to track old plates. Or would they all need to be surrendered and replaced with new ones?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 16, 2008, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Pristle on September 16, 2008, 02:10:21 PM
The hologram is likely to be merely a 'geniune Licensys product' sticker. I think the real concern is that we're going to be seeing RFID tags built in to new plates and  only Licensys made plates are likely to include them.



All the more reason to get them from offshore I reckon.

Nope... more likely to be tags in car......
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 16, 2008, 03:46:42 PM
thank damn im officially a european citizen
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 16, 2008, 03:50:42 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 16, 2008, 03:46:42 PM
thank damn im officially a european citizen
Bloody Croats.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 16, 2008, 03:46:42 PM
thank damn im officially a european citizen

What difference does that make when you live here?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 16, 2008, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
What difference does that make when you live here?
He flouts our laws and refuses to integrate and walks around talking that gibberish they speak "back there"... ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 16, 2008, 04:05:52 PM
Maybe someone should contact one of the off shore plate manufacturers and see if they can do them with the silly little holograms on them?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 04:19:36 PM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on September 16, 2008, 03:56:46 PM
....walks around talking that gibberish they speak "back there"... ;D

I do that - Yorkshire :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 16, 2008, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
What difference does that make when you live here?

it means i dont have to live here now :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 16, 2008, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 16, 2008, 03:46:42 PM
thank damn im officially a european citizen

haha you're been hagging to put that in somewhere havent you!

Quote from: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 04:19:36 PM
I do that - Yorkshire :D
Nowt wrong with that fella

(p.s. i still havent destickered our plates and police have been driving past all day, think he was just on a  little hitler mission)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 16, 2008, 05:38:11 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on September 16, 2008, 05:06:14 PM
haha you're been hagging to put that in somewhere havent you!
Nowt wrong with that fella


yep now im legally croatian not just croatian blooded ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 16, 2008, 08:04:43 PM
I seem to remember Neil getting some euro plates for the parts van at Contis. The guy that drives it can be a grumpy old bastard, I wouldn't want to be the cop that pulls him over and questions the plates  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 16, 2008, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on September 16, 2008, 08:04:43 PM
I seem to remember Neil getting some euro plates for the parts van at Contis. The guy that drives it can be a grumpy old bastard, I wouldn't want to be the cop that pulls him over and questions the plates  :D

:P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 16, 2008, 09:51:18 PM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on September 16, 2008, 02:21:54 PM
Ah yes...the old conspiracy theories come out again, eh Pristle?

I agree, though...once licence plates are tagged, we're fair game for tracking and all sorts of Orwellian nonsense...

Maybe a bit of that, but more so the wasted expense. If it's a crime busting measure, get more bobbies on the beat, give them rights to use force/tasers/guns etc.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 16, 2008, 09:53:07 PM
Talking of guns - I saw a survey earlier on today where 59% of responders said NZ police should be issued with firearms!

Bad bad plan!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 16, 2008, 10:04:30 PM
I confirmed with police at Central today that "No issue is being made of these they have better things to do..." so make of that what you want

Thats from a snr SGT in Highways
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on September 16, 2008, 10:06:21 PM
Thats interesting, it just shows that it all depends on who you get on the day. Plonker or no plonker.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 16, 2008, 10:08:40 PM
Quote from: vert1 on September 16, 2008, 10:06:21 PM
Thats interesting, it just shows that it all depends on who you get on the day. Plonker or no plonker.

Exactly also depends if you have 20" chromes and hifi speakers on the back shelf..........  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 16, 2008, 10:08:54 PM
Are they likely to make a bigger deal out of the all black plates like Anton's. I love em, they look so good on your car dude, want some for mine but can't be damned getting pulled up for damn plates.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 16, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: Aidan on September 16, 2008, 10:08:54 PM
Are they likely to make a bigger deal out of the all black plates like Anton's. I love em, they look so good on your car dude, want some for mine but can't be damned getting pulled up for damn plates.

I will ask that good question... probably the same type of reply i normally get from them...... (i.e dont be a cock and we wont pull you over!!)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on September 16, 2008, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: vert1 on September 16, 2008, 10:06:21 PM
Thats interesting, it just shows that it all depends on who you get on the day. Plonker or no plonker.

and how close the plonkers are to a recognised coffee and doughnut supply :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on September 16, 2008, 10:12:21 PM
LOL!!!! Thats what I say every time I hear a siren "hurry the donut shop is closing"
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 17, 2008, 07:29:26 AM
Quote from: Aidan on September 16, 2008, 10:08:54 PM
Are they likely to make a bigger deal out of the all black plates like Anton's. I love em, they look so good on your car dude, want some for mine but can't be damned getting pulled up for damn plates.

i havent been pulled up in all this time of driving

not sure which plates im going to wear down to Taupo but will probably just run with the black ones..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 17, 2008, 08:19:31 AM
Mine are the original black ones on my old Audi. When it comes to freshening up the look of the whole car (which is getting ever closer) I want new of the same, the black-on-white wouldn't feel right.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: xring on September 17, 2008, 08:25:34 AM
Many years ago I lived very close to the Crows Nest (Sydney suburb) fire station. Everyday about 11.55am, a full size fire engine would go out, lights ....... siren etc. All traffic on the Pacific Highway would have to stop so the fire engine could go through a major intersection. They would go about 500m down the road and then stop at their favorite takeaway shop. Then back to the station and put the fire engine away.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on September 17, 2008, 08:51:08 AM
Yup, i guess it's the luck of the draw?! Maybe i just look suspect?! ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 17, 2008, 09:01:41 AM
Quote from: ballin on September 16, 2008, 10:08:40 PM
Exactly also depends if you have 20" chromes and hifi speakers on the back shelf..........  ::)

Our little Fiats didnt  :'(
although he did take a picture of the black 500 running 17's first.....  :D

he was just a cock on a mission really.
always get one little hitler somewhere eh
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bsting on September 17, 2008, 10:09:49 AM
Just buy plain europlates only with the rego and a border,drop the flag.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 17, 2008, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: Poonmobile on September 17, 2008, 08:51:08 AM
Yup, i guess it's the luck of the draw?! Maybe i just look suspect?! ;D

Cheeky Darky

this is probably why he pulled you up

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe306%2FhitmanGTI%2Findex19.jpg&hash=41d5aab4439174f2700c153c7276da4825711ef7)

:P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on September 17, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Police are getting ready to run a crack down campaign. be ready.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 17, 2008, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: beeker on September 17, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Police are getting ready to run a crack down campaign. be ready.

On the plates? They give warnings right?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 17, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
To all the cops who are reading..

how about do your jobs and save people from being hurt and stop harassing and abusing road users for expressing individuality i hardly see how a number plate can cause death or harm to anything.. (maybe only harm the govt koffers)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 17, 2008, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 17, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
To all the cops who are reading..

how about do your jobs and save people from being hurt and stop harassing and abusing road users for expressing individuality i hardly see how a number plate can cause death or harm to anything.. (maybe only harm the govt koffers)

Here here. Shame I don't think too many would be reading. But I have wondered before if cops do peruse car club sites...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 17, 2008, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Aidan on September 17, 2008, 07:29:52 PM
Here here. Shame I don't think too many would be reading. But I have wondered before if cops do peruse car club sites...

I know for a fact plenty sit on here and read as with every other car forum

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 18, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
A few fat blokes working in Banks sit here perusing the site too...I'm one of them...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 18, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
hmmm.....I don't work in a bank.....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 18, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: Pristle on September 18, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
hmmm.....I don't work in a bank.....

Nor do I.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on September 18, 2008, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 18, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
Nor do I.
doors not open that wide ?  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 18, 2008, 01:10:37 PM
Quote from: euro-jet on September 18, 2008, 12:33:08 PM
doors not open that wide ?  ;D

no thats why i had to get a 3 Door Golf i struggle getting in to a 5 door with the shorter doors
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 18, 2008, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 18, 2008, 01:10:37 PM
no thats why i had to get a 3 Door Golf i struggle getting in to a 5 door with the shorter doors
Fatso. ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 25, 2008, 11:05:11 AM
Jap Imported Audi A6 3.2 ...... $30,000 dollars

Major Service Works and Electrical repairs $5000 dollars

Knowing you should have paid a bit more and you would have got a decent not imported model and saved a bomb on Servicing.... Priceless

Then Having brain cell count of an amoeba and placing a plate that

1. Claims your a VIP in your Crappo Jappo

2. doesnt fit and makes you look like even more of a fag

that my friend makes you a looser

ok, let's get this straight, once and for all....... poofter I can live with, queer I don't particularly like, but before you go using fag as a term of denigration, I suggest you grow some balls and go stand in the middle of downtown LA and yell out "niggah" at the top of your voice

if you don't learn that lesson, that way, then one day here in NZ somebody is gonna give you a good old smack in the head

cheers

(and, no, debate like this does NOT 'belong in private', and if moderators do their job then people don't have to put up with bigots in a forum such as this in the year 2008)



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 25, 2008, 11:49:51 AM
I hate to see anyone take offence on what is normally a friendly forum, so I'd like to think that Anton wasn't intending any insult and was using the following definition from the Oxford dictionary, to wit:

fag

Brit. informal

  ? noun 1. a tiring or unwelcome task. 2. a junior pupil at a public school who does minor chores for a senior pupil.

  ? verb (fagged, fagging) 1 work hard. 2 (of a public-school pupil) act as a fag. 3 (fagged out) exhausted.

  ? ORIGIN of unknown origin.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 12:18:12 PM
and I hope to think that either moderators are going to set and enforce some standards for abuse that offends against both individuals, and human rights legislation, or I am outahere, and the redneck homophobes (as described privately to me by others in the forum) can play all they like

I wouldn't accept this sort of crap from someone I met in the street, so why should I accept it over my morning coffee at home

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 25, 2008, 11:05:11 AM2. doesnt fit and makes you look like even more of a fag spoon

and that "correction" just shows what a simple-minded arrogant prat your "anton" is
a bit of hubris would do him a lot of good



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 12:23:18 PM
Maybe you should just get over it.

We already know Anton is an arrogant prat, theres not much that can be done about it really. The high ups of vask have already tried to get rid of him. He even tried to get rid of himself but he just keeps coming back.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 12:23:18 PM
Maybe you should just get over it.

We already know Anton is an arrogant prat, theres not much that can be done about it really. The high ups of vask have already tried to get rid of him. He even tried to get rid of himself but he just keeps coming back.

so, moderate people like him, or I for one have no wish to be here

as for "get over it", not till hell freezes over will I listen to arseholes like that

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 12:31:11 PM
No loss to anyone else. It is just some words on the internet after all. You can choose to ignore them or you can choose to get upset over them.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 25, 2008, 12:43:39 PM
oh why do some people have to get all upset about one persons comments.
the bigger man would just think "idiot" and move on.
stop making such a deal of it and get back on topic  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on September 25, 2008, 12:43:39 PM
oh why do some people have to get all upset about one persons comments.
the bigger man would just think "idiot" and move on.
stop making such a deal of it and get back on topic  ::)

since anything seems to go in here ........ you are a total arsewipe - I hope all your kids (if you are capable of having any) turn out to be gay, get subjected to the sort of abuse in school that goes on in here, and end up topping themselves.  Maybe that will make you engage your brain

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 12:31:11 PM
No loss to anyone else. It is just some words on the internet after all. You can choose to ignore them or you can choose to get upset over them.

and you should know better - but apparently not

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 25, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
I'm loathe to proceed with this as I see things denigrating quite quickly in this thread, but proceed I shall (and then shall shut-up)

Things to note: 1. Hubris is something Anton seems to have in abundance. Annoying sometimes to some. 2. arseholes are useful (regardless of which team you bat for). 3. He may occasionally behave like a prat, but then don't we all. He does prove to be very generous with his time and skills but on-line and in person.



I take offence at being called a 'denier' when it come to 'climate change' (that's what you call small minded folk who deny the Holocaust), I've been clobbered, including by some on this board for 'coming out', to coin a term, and stating that I'm a member of high IQ societies and being a Christian. i.e. attacking who I am, but you don't see me getting on my high horse and throwing my toys.


EDIT: I know I said I'd shut-up, but I wanted to add that losing either party, Anton or Portmanteau, would be a loss. Both seem to have provided some very valuable input, particularly from a technical stand point.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: Pristle on September 25, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
I'm loathe to proceed with this as I see things denigrating quite quickly in this thread, but proceed I shall (and then shall shut-up)

Things to note: 1. Hubris is something Anton seems to have in abundance. Annoying sometimes to some. 2. arseholes are useful (regardless of which team you bat for). 3. He may occasionally behave like a prat, but then don't we all. He does prove to be very generous with his time and skills but on-line and in person.



I take offence at being called a 'denier' when it come to 'climate change' (that's what you call small minded folk who deny the Holocaust), I've been clobbered, including by some on this board for 'coming out', to coin a term, and stating that I'm a member of high IQ societies and being a Christian. i.e. attacking who I am, but you don't see me getting on my high horse and throwing my toys.

great, so I might start in on all the dumb maoris and chogs in here, the next time I want to start finding a standard of reference for things that are unpleasant to the eye?

good to know

(and hubris should have been the opposite, of course, ie: humility)



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on September 25, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
so have posts been deleted?  >:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 02:06:53 PM
Quote from: slowmo on September 25, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
so have posts been deleted?  >:D

seems so

I would love to think it was by a moderator, and that they will maintain the same standard of respect and civility in here as one can expect in the real world, rather than something akin to 1970's *insert name of whichever town or city best represents redneck NZ*

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: dubstar on September 25, 2008, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 01:48:47 PM
great, so I might start in on all the dumb maoris and chogs in here, the next time I want to start finding a standard of reference for things that are unpleasant to the eye?

good to know

(and hubris should have been the opposite, of course, ie: humility)


Wow, a lot of anger or frustration there portmanteau.  I think you'll find 99% of vaskers are very open minded and generally very tolerant of others views and beliefs.  I don't think anyone here will discriminate against you because of your sexual preference, after all we're all humans from the same place originally.  

Using colloquial slang terms is now 'the norm' now and though I disagree with some of the terms its seems a lot of wasted effort to get angry over every single incident.  Perhaps you could have messaged Anton and/or the mods and discussed it.  Afterall, it was only one person on the forum using the term.

Tolerance works both ways.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: dubstar on September 25, 2008, 02:14:29 PM
Wow, a lot of anger or frustration there portmanteau.  I think you'll find 99% of vaskers are very open minded and generally very tolerant of others views and beliefs.  I don't think anyone here will discriminate against you because of your sexual preference, after all we're all humans from the same place originally.  

Using colloquial slang terms is now 'the norm' now and though I disagree with some of the terms its seems a lot of wasted effort to get angry over every single incident.  Perhaps you could have messaged Anton and/or the mods and discussed it.  Afterall, it was only one person on the forum using the term.

Tolerance works both ways.

No, it's not "the norm", and if I found myself in any other social contact with somebody who uses racial, sexual, or any other minority-group slurs as a means of making a cheap-shot put-down on another human being, then I would remove myself from that environment

You either apply standards, in a forum such as this, or you turn it over to the lowest common denominator in society

People like Anton deserve to be hauled up and pilloried in public whenever they behave this way - and as long as I am here then they can expect that to happen

(and, you haven't begun to see me 'angry')



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: dubstar on September 25, 2008, 02:25:27 PM
Quote from: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 02:17:59 PM
No, it's not "the norm", and if I found myself in any other social contact with somebody who uses racial, sexual, or any other slurs as a means of making a cheap-shot put-down on another human being, then I would remove myself from that environment

You either apply standards, in a forum such as this, or you turn it over to the lowest common denominator in society

People like Anton deserve to be hauled up and pilloried in public whenever they behave this way - and as long as I am here then they can expect that to happen

(and, you haven't begun to see me 'angry')

Unfortunately, yes it is 'the norm' in younger generations.  Just walking down Queen street, on the bus, at the pub you hear them used regularly.  As I said before, I don't agree with them and don't use them myself, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it.  There are far more important things we should be angry about or take a stand for. 
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: dubstar on September 25, 2008, 02:25:27 PM
Unfortunately, yes it is 'the norm' in younger generations.  Just walking down Queen street, on the bus, at the pub you hear them used regularly.  As I said before, I don't agree with them and don't use them myself, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it.  There are far more important things we should be angry about or take a stand for. 

we obviously move in different circles, which is hard to believe since i spend 4 nights each week in bars full of your "younger generation", and they do not behave like that

what do you think the more important things might be, rather than the self-esteem of and respect for another individual?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 01:34:23 PM
and you should know better - but apparently not



I do, thats why I ignore posts if they upset me (90% of the time I do anyway).
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: dubstar on September 25, 2008, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 02:28:36 PM
we obviously move in different circles, which is hard to believe since i spend 4 nights each week in bars full of your "younger generation", and they do not behave like that



I'm talking 18-22.

4 nights a week? is it a job or a problem? ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: dubstar on September 25, 2008, 02:30:48 PM
I'm talking 18-22.

4 nights a week? is it a job or a problem? ;D

18 - 25

and it's a job - when it becomes a problem I would do something else :P



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 02:38:42 PM
Does this board have an ignore function? Perhaps portmanteau could put any questionable people on his ignore list that way he can still participate without having to read offensive posts.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on September 25, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
I agree with the sentiment, but the reaction? The rules of the forum are not to persecute. There's no focused attack on anyone.

Further, at what point do we stop offensive language, jokes that are racist, sexist, deragotory towards religion, ethnicities or sexual preference? Do we moderate all those elements? At what cost? If you want to put up a fuss about general standards, fine - but don't pick out an item, or refuse to acknowledge someone modifying their post or threatening to leave.

I like having you on the forum Portmanteau - you add great value. Have a beer and be content that you have made your position clear and we 'VASK' understand it.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 25, 2008, 03:23:48 PM
Wow, thos eGerman plates eh
sure cause some problems  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: AngleBox on September 25, 2008, 02:39:15 PM


I like having you on the forum Portmanteau - you add great value. Have a beer and be content that you have made your position clear and we 'VASK' understand it.

Thank you, so let's hope the times I need to make it become fewer and far between

I just struggle with a comment like "this is normally a friendly forum", when it is friendly only to those who either suffer in silence, or just don't come back, when they encounter behaviour that they would not accept at the pub (or perhaps at the wine-bar, in this instance). ;)



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 25, 2008, 03:53:40 PM
Wow.. looks like I still got it
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on September 25, 2008, 04:00:44 PM
You naughty,naughty boy  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 25, 2008, 04:01:48 PM
for those who missed the photo check out my photo bucket..

im sure you can get over the use of the word FAG..

my Definition of FAG when I was at highschool was a Synonym for Looser

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/hitmanGTI/

this fool deserves the exposure for being exactly that...

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe306%2FhitmanGTI%2FIMG00274.jpg&hash=e62595c9887092b7c57591a8230502f0b567acd4)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on September 25, 2008, 04:03:15 PM
 >:D  :laugh:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
Enough of this.  I wouldn't feed my dog food to a pig like Anton, so rather than be seen frequenting the same places as he, I am off

Enjoy your forum, and the ignorant bigots who reside here






Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 25, 2008, 04:26:24 PM
so i have just re read this all

and essentially you have taken offence to my comment Fag?

so your Gay and you have taken offence

For your Information Many of my best friends are Gay and/or Black,. Im not a racist nor a Homophobe

I went to high school and lived in a boarding school with 70 other males

im comfortable with my sexuality nor am i trying to denigrate yours...

How you associated the word Fag to a Picture of a dickhead with his incorrect number plate on his el cheapo ride i havent the faintest clue..

time passes different things become acceptable and unacceptable. Definitions of words vary, fashion trends change what ever..

Im so damnin openminded my brains about to fall out.. so if you have a problem . send me a email.. give me a phone calll i couldnt give a damn really.. if you have a problem/ something to say, say it to my face!

your hanging around a forum with a vast populous of New and Old Talent..

some of us like audi 200s some of us like audi 80s some of us *gasp* dear i say it like BMWs

I feel the only one here who cant handle anything is you for the moment...

For your information if i was trying to get at you i would have directed it at you personally...

and on that note

i had a great day doing gardening



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 04:39:33 PM
Oh dear, the internet claims another victim.

Anton you bastard, wish I was outside instead of stuck in a bunker.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 25, 2008, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 04:39:33 PM
Oh dear, the internet claims another victim.

Anton you bastard, wish I was outside instead of stuck in a bunker.

Another one rides the Roflcopter

Nana is gonna love her Gardens She arrives home today

HEY at least your bunker is jam packed full of exotic cars :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: EVLC36 on September 25, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
I know Anton personally and calling him a homophobe is laughable, the comment was clearly not meant as an attack on gay people, and I honestly dont see how it could be construed as one.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 25, 2008, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Tom on September 25, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
I know Anton personally and calling him a homophobe is laughable, the comment was clearly not meant as an attack on gay people, and I honestly dont see how it could be construed as one.

Anton, sometimes you're such a cock gobbler
gee's boy.

Did you trim your bush and sew some seeds then today?
lovely day for it dear chap
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 25, 2008, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on September 25, 2008, 04:56:20 PM
Anton, sometimes you're such a cock gobbler
gee's boy.

Did you trim your bush and sew some seeds then today?
lovely day for it dear chap

Had to Condition the leather on the new merc which i must say looks bloody brilliant with the Germanplates.com Plates

albeit very feminin car.. but perfecto for nan

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe306%2FhitmanGTI%2FP9250014.jpg&hash=8ced907f0c55bba2a6113f623e3701b6beb10262)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on September 25, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
right just had a quick yarn to my mate which is a cop and to let you all know the personaised plates are a govt owned company and have made the police crack down on these ''cheap plates'' so that pp can continue to make a cash cow out of it! BASTARDS!!!!! even in my small town of cambridge they know about it so expect your plates removed if your caught with them on. im not happy as i was gonna get some for my car :( my mate said go get some from pp i told him to leave!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 25, 2008, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: andyball1 on September 25, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
right just had a quick yarn to my mate which is a cop and to let you all know the personaised plates are a govt owned company and have made the police crack down on these ''cheap plates'' so that pp can continue to make a cash cow out of it! BASTARDS!!!!! even in my small town of cambridge they know about it so expect your plates removed if your caught with them on. im not happy as i was gonna get some for my car :( my mate said go get some from pp i told him to leave!!!

damn them..

Went thru three breath tests last nights.. they didnt even batt and eyelid!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on September 25, 2008, 05:08:49 PM
Quote from: portmanteau on September 25, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
Enough of this.  I wouldn't feed my dog food to a pig like Anton, so rather than be seen frequenting the same places as he, I am off

Enjoy your forum, and the ignorant bigots who reside here








Now that sounds very personal,
You must have had a bad day
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 25, 2008, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: andyball1 on September 25, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
right just had a quick yarn to my mate which is a cop and to let you all know the personaised plates are a govt owned company and have made the police crack down on these ''cheap plates'' so that pp can continue to make a cash cow out of it! BASTARDS!!!!! even in my small town of cambridge they know about it so expect your plates removed if your caught with them on. im not happy as i was gonna get some for my car :( my mate said go get some from pp i told him to leave!!!

It's just so damning wrong that they can have a government run monopoly like this.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 25, 2008, 05:11:43 PM
Where's Jem when you need him?  >:D


So these German plates....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 25, 2008, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 25, 2008, 05:07:49 PM
damn them..

Went thru three breath tests last nights.. they didnt even batt and eyelid!

Yep mission bay to the shore last night 3 seperate breath tests
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on September 25, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
If they tried to remove them from our car, I would bust them for theft. Seriously!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 25, 2008, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: GlenT on September 25, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
If they tried to remove them from our car, I would bust them for theft. Seriously!

+1
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on September 25, 2008, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: GlenT on September 25, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
If they tried to remove them from our car, I would bust them for theft. Seriously!
me to!!! but aparently we are as bad as the maoris driving round with paper number plates and car wreckers driving round on these ''illegal plates'' BIG FARKIN PECKER HEADS!!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on September 25, 2008, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: andyball1 on September 25, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
right just had a quick yarn to my mate which is a cop and to let you all know the personaised plates are a govt owned company and have made the police crack down on these ''cheap plates'' so that pp can continue to make a cash cow out of it! BASTARDS!!!!! even in my small town of cambridge they know about it so expect your plates removed if your caught with them on. im not happy as i was gonna get some for my car :( my mate said go get some from pp i told him to leave!!!

You mate is wrong about it being a government owned company. It's origins date back to 1987 when a guy Murray Thom successfully lobbied the government for the idea and subsequently won the tender in 1988. He disposed of the business in 1997 just ahead of the the Asian financial crisis. Which was when the market of the "Investment Plates" fell apart. It was picked up and is still owned by Jeremy Lubeck and his wife. There was another company, Personalised Plates 2000, which existed between 1998 and 2002, which was unrelated to the main agent.

A quick search on www.companies.govt.nz (http://www.companies.govt.nz) shows the following:

   
Company Number    533335    
Company    PERSONALISED PLATES LIMITED    
   
Incorporated      23-DEC-1991    
Entity Type      Company    
   
Constitution Filed      Yes
Annual Return Filing Month    May
Current Status     Registered
Previous Names   (Names changed prior to 1992 may not be recorded)
Company Name    Date Changed
LUBECKS LIMITED    05-JUN-1997
Address Details
Registered Office

* The Lubecks Residence * confirmed

Address for Service

* The Lubecks Residence * confirmed
 Beachlands

Directors
(Where appointments are prior to February 1993 the date shown may relate to when the information was entered on this database.)
Name    Date Appointed:
LUBECK, Jeremy John Martin    23-DEC-1991

Share Parcels (Husband and Wife)
    Total Number of shares    1,000
     Number of Shares    500    
     Shareholder(s)    LUBECK, JEREMY JOHN MARTIN    
     Number of Shares    500    
     Shareholder(s)    LUBECK, MARILYN HELEN    
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on September 25, 2008, 06:40:39 PM
i wonder if the lubeks son is a cop :p
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 25, 2008, 09:02:39 PM
OK, so what we have here is a government agency (the Police) aiding a private company to restrict competition in the market place.

Quote form the Commerce Commission's home page on Business Competition (http://www.comcom.govt.nz/BusinessCompetition/Anti-competitivePractices/Overview.aspx)

Anti-competitive Practices

The Commerce Commission has both an enforcement and adjudication role in relation to anti-competitive practices prohibited by Part II of the Commerce Act.

The Act:

    * prohibits behaviour that restricts competition; and
    * allows the Commission to authorise, on public benefit grounds, proposed anti-competitive practices that would lead to the substantial lessening of competition in a market.


Seems pretty clear to me.

I'm busy till tomorrow night but there must be some clever legally savvy guys here who can trawl that site.
I actually think it is time we lodged a complaint with the Commission - a group letter maybe?

The advantage of the Commerce Commission approach is that once a complaint is made, they drive it and prosecute it.
It may actually only take the threat of reporting this to the commerce commission to make PP back off. Their behaviour so far, if they have asked the police to enforce this may already be in breach of the Act. Companies are terrified of the CC because it has very strong powers and have handed out some pretty severe penalties.

We need one instance confirmed that someone has been ordered to remove the plates - date, time, place.
If we need a fighting fund for a lawyer I'm up to donate.

thoughts?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 25, 2008, 09:26:32 PM
More info:

Anti-competitive Practices
To promote competition in markets, the Commerce Act prohibits a range of anti-competitive practices, that can involve a number of people or businesses (?collective behaviour?) or a single person or business (?unilateral behaviour?).

Collective Behaviour
Collective behaviour (behaviour by two or more people or businesses) that is prohibited under the Commerce Act includes:

    * substantially lessening competition ? agreements containing provisions that substantially lessen competition in a market (section 27);
    * excluding competitors ? agreements between competitors containing exclusionary provisions that prevent or limit dealings with a rival (this type of behaviour is also referred to as refusals to deal or group boycotts) (section 29);
    * price fixing ? agreements containing provisions that fix prices among competitors (section 30).

Unilateral Behaviour
Unilateral behaviour (behaviour by a single person or business) that is prohibited under the Commerce Act includes:

    * taking advantage of market power ? a person with a substantial degree of market power taking advantage of that position for an anti-competitive purpose (section 36);
    * resale price maintenance by supplier ? a supplier specifying the minimum price at which the supplier?s goods can be sold by other businesses (section 37).
      In the next section of this publication, each of these anti-competitive behaviours is explained in more detail.

Raising Your Concerns by Contacting the Commission
Readers who are aware of behaviour that appears to breach the Commerce Act can forward information to the Commission. The Commission will consider this information and, if appropriate, initiate an investigation. The Commission also carries out its own market monitoring and surveillance activities.

An investigation that identifies a breach of the Commerce Act may lead to the Commission taking one of a range of actions, including prosecuting businesses in the High Court. Actions the Commission can take are outlined in the Commission Processes section of this publication.

To contact the Commission with information:

Telephone 0800 94 3600
Write to Contact Centre
Commerce Commission
P O Box 2351
Wellington
Email [email protected]

The Commission may also grant leniency, and take a lower level of enforcement action, or no action at all, against a person or business in exchange for information and full
co-operation. Click here for details of the Commission?s leniency policy.


Note that there is provision for businesses to apply for an exemption under the Act. There is a list of applications on the Commerce Commission's website and Personalised Plates does not have an exemption in place.

So unless there is a specific protection under the law for PP to exclusively supply personalised plates (note these are not replicas of standard plates - regs for standard plates and personalised plates are different) then they would almost certainly be in breach of the law if they attempted to stop people using them and forced them, if they want to use personalised plates, to buy their product.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 25, 2008, 09:52:09 PM
And in case you hadn't noticed, this thread is now well and truly back ON TOPIC!! - keep it there please.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 25, 2008, 10:12:42 PM
So realistically whats stopping competition setting up?

Contract to the govt and the people who make the plates?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on September 25, 2008, 10:15:24 PM
I'm happy to donate but a few hundred dollars from us isn't going to get very far.   

This seems like an issue for a large lobby group with some clout to get behind.  Isn't there a federation of car clubs nationwide?

We aren't the only group with plates sourced overseas by a long shot so I suggest a co-ordinated action would be the most effective way to go.







Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 25, 2008, 11:09:50 PM
Been doing a bit of research.
And I've only just noticed that RobClubley has already sent something to the CC - any feedback Rob?

It is clear that:
1- there is only one agency with the right to issue the registration letter/number combo (the distinguishing mark) and that is Personalised Plates Ltd apparently
2- the existing plates must be surrendered to the Registrar (existing plates means those carrying the distinguishing mark prior to the issue of the personalised plates)
3- the Registrar MAY require the surrender of any plate not affixed to the vehicle.
4- you can be fined $500 for not surrendering such plates
5- any additional subsidiary characters, messages, symbols, or slogans are required to be approved by the Registrar.

So the only plate that they can take from you is the issued plate when it is NOT affixed to a vehicle or is affixed to a vehicle other than the vehicle to which it may lawfully be affixed .

You can ONLY be fined $500 if you refuse to surrender the plate when asked to do so by the Registrar.

They cannot confiscate your German plate (that is your personal property)

Here is the definition of the Registrar:

Registrar means the person appointed by the Minister to be the Registrar of Motor Vehicles, and includes, where appropriate,?
      (a) any person to whom the Registrar has delegated any of the powers, duties, or functions of the Registrar under this Act:
      (b) any person for the time being authorised by the Registrar to perform any specified function of the Registrar under this Act


I assume this means the police are in essence the delegated authority.

I cannot see where it is an offence to own a German plate.
I suspect it would need to be tested in court whether displaying your allocated "distinguishing mark" on a plate other than that issued by the official manufacturer is illegal or not.
It is probably illegal to have markings on the plate not approved by the Registrar. I can't see if there is a prescribed fine for this. This is probably the area of vulnerability under the Act - the EEC markings are probably not approved :(

i stand to be corrected and apologise if I am going over ground already covered elsewhere.

And now I need some sleep  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on September 26, 2008, 05:34:48 AM
Not a word back to me yet from the ComCom :)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on September 26, 2008, 05:40:24 AM
Great work Audidude. I'm going to have some answers and some knowledge of the law next time I get pulled up.

The orificer who asked me to remove my plates only threatened and didn't issue a fine or force me to take plates off.
I can supply date, time etc if required.


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 26, 2008, 07:51:06 AM
Audidude,
did you come across anything with regards hvaing P.Plates (issued by P.Plates) but changing the graphics at the end of the plate?
leaving the lettering etc the same and in no way obscuring what is on the plate.

sounds like there is a case to be made here going by your quotes!
Great work!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 26, 2008, 08:19:08 AM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on September 26, 2008, 07:51:06 AM
Audidude,
did you come across anything with regards hvaing P.Plates (issued by P.Plates) but changing the graphics at the end of the plate?
leaving the lettering etc the same and in no way obscuring what is on the plate.

Yes. I see this as possibly the biggest problem.
Basically from my reading of the regulations, anything graphic or written on the plate has to be approved by the Registrar.
Clearly the graphics such as the EEC circle of stars and the "D" won't have been approved. If they wanted to push that that's where a test case would have to be taken.

So while there is only ONE business that can issue you with an authorised number, there doesn't appear to be anything that says those numbers MUST be on a specific manufacturers plate as long as it complies with the general description and doesn't have graphics/letters/numbers that haven't been approved by the Registrar.
An exact copy of an approved plate doesn't seem to me to be illegal. But if your officially supplied personalised plate isn't affixed to your vehicle they can demand those back.

But I could be wrong ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 08:21:21 AM
the police are going to crap them selves when people decide to start driving plateless!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Filx on September 26, 2008, 08:26:20 AM
Great work everyone. Certainly PP has got to be one of the most anti competitive businesses in NZ? $399 for a "Europlate" with your government issued registration number on it, or you can go to your local LTSA agent and get a brand new government issued standard registration plate for $14.50. Hmmmmm  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 26, 2008, 08:34:27 AM
My german plates where delivered 0730hrs this morning, on the car at 0800hrs and at work outside the police station this morning 0815hrs.....no problem im sure ill soon find out wont i..........  :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on September 26, 2008, 08:41:24 AM
Audidude: When the regs say 'affixed' to the vehicle (in the section relating to surrendering of plates) is there any related comment that dictates how or where they must be affixed, or requiring that they must be displayed? 

If not then attaching the original plates internally, ie" securing them in the boot somewhere with a couple of zip-ties, or double sided tape would surely meet that requirement.

On another tangent.

From personalised plates own website FAQ page: (http://www.plates.co.nz/service/faqs/#already)
QuoteQuestion:How do I get my plates made?

Answer:    

The Government Plate Manufacturer makes all license plates for NZ, including personalised plates. Personalised Plates Ltd sells you the right to receive your combination of numbers/letters and then you instruct the manufacturer when you are ready for your plate to go on a vehicle.

To do so, just call 0800 736 253 or click through to their website form. They will organise your plates to be remade and deliver the replacement plates to your chosen address.

I note from the 'government plate manufacturer' website (https://www2900.ssldomain.com/licensys-ebusiness/ManufactureRequest.asp):
QuoteFirst time issue of Plates - No transaction fee applies (unless purchased prior to July 1997).
Remanufacture transaction fee - $21 Standard Style, or $32.50 Picture / Message / Red / Euro / 440.

So PPlates only sell you the right to your letter/number combo.  It would appear that the Licensys Remanufacture fee is $32.50 in any format other than regular.

SO: the big question for me is "Why, if you already have the right to your combination of letters/numbers, do you have to pay $399 to PPlates for a new set?"

Furthermore, what is stopping us from getting replacement plates from the government manufacturer for $32.50?

I'm calling them now to discuss.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on September 26, 2008, 09:20:59 AM
Interesting conversation.

Her: Good Morning 0800 remake
Me: Hi, how are you?
Her: Good thank you, how may I help?
Me: I have a quick question on obtaining new licence plates, can I do that through you?
Her: Yep, sure.
Me: Great.  I have a Personalised Plate and I'd like a replacement please.
Her: Ok, read out your plate number
Me: 16V GTI
Her: Um...
Me: Yes?
Her: Let's just confirm that, 1...6...V for victor...
Me: Yes, that's right.
Her: There is no such plate.
Me: Stunned silence. 
Her: You sure that is the numbering?
Me: Yes.  I can assure you there is such a plate as it has been on my car since 1990 as far as I am aware.
Her: No, there is no such plate.  It's not in our system
Me: Well it's been continuously registered...
Her: Please hold.
Me: ???!
Her: What is your number? We'll call you back.
Me: ok (passes phone number).  Just before you go
Her: (hurriedly) yes...
Me: What are the charges for a new plate?
Her: IS your plate a regular plate or a picture plate?
Me: I wasn't aware there were options?
Her: Yes, if you want a regular plate it's $23, all the rest it's $32.50
Me: So I could get one of those wide ones?
Her: Yes. We'll call you back.
Me: Oh, one last thing, what agency were you again?
Her: Er...0800 remake. 
Me: Is that Licensys?
Her: Um, yes.
Me: Thankyou. GoodBye.

So. Enlightening in more ways than one.  It would appear my plate doesn't exist, (although it's not available on PPLATES website), yet if I wanted a new version I could get one through her for $32.50

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 26, 2008, 09:48:30 AM
And as it turns out, you could get one of those "wide ones"...

very, very interesting.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 26, 2008, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: typ53 on September 26, 2008, 09:20:59 AM
Interesting conversation.

Her: Good Morning 0800 remake
Me: Hi, how are you?
Her: Good thank you, how may I help?
Me: I have a quick question on obtaining new licence plates, can I do that through you?
Her: Yep, sure.
Me: Great.  I have a Personalised Plate and I'd like a replacement please.
Her: Ok, read out your plate number
Me: 16V GTI
Her: Um...
Me: Yes?
Her: Let's just confirm that, 1...6...V for victor...
Me: Yes, that's right.
Her: There is no such plate.
Me: Stunned silence. 
Her: You sure that is the numbering?
Me: Yes.  I can assure you there is such a plate as it has been on my car since 1990 as far as I am aware.
Her: No, there is no such plate.  It's not in our system
Me: Well it's been continuously registered...
Her: Please hold.
Me: ???!
Her: What is your number? We'll call you back.
Me: ok (passes phone number).  Just before you go
Her: (hurriedly) yes...
Me: What are the charges for a new plate?
Her: IS your plate a regular plate or a picture plate?
Me: I wasn't aware there were options?
Her: Yes, if you want a regular plate it's $23, all the rest it's $32.50
Me: So I could get one of those wide ones?
Her: Yes. We'll call you back.
Me: Oh, one last thing, what agency were you again?
Her: Er...0800 remake. 
Me: Is that Licensys?
Her: Um, yes.
Me: Thankyou. GoodBye.

So. Enlightening in more ways than one.  It would appear my plate doesn't exist, (although it's not available on PPLATES website), yet if I wanted a new version I could get one through her for $32.50



that is to get a remake, not a totally new plate.
remakes dont cost as much, but kinda shows what the "cost" is doesnt it  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 26, 2008, 01:42:30 PM
I tried to get a euro plate from plate manufacturer but they wouldn't issue me with a euro as your number plate needs to be in their system with approval(ie pay plates.co.nz and then you can do it)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
Hi All,

Came across here from EuroSport. I do a little bit of work with Licensys (in what capacity I'm not at liberty to say) but basically the only issue there is with using a GERMANPLATES.com plate is the fact that their font set does not match the prescribed NZ font. NZ's font set is a unique-in-the-world font and nobody else has the tooling to make it as it's completely home-grown.

Germanplates.com used to (and still do if you ask for it specifically) a NZ Euro-plate replica that's identical to ours in markings although it's still got the German font set. This is the reason they stand out like dog's balls and the reason the cops pull you up on it. If Germanplates.com replicated the NZ font as well you'd NEVER have an issue with it.

Licensys will remake your NZ europlates etc. for a very competitive fee (about $35 for all plate forms), the thing is that your registration is tagged with whatever plate type your car is authorised to carry. Until you've purchased a "europlate upgrade" through Personalised Plates Ltd, Licensys will not be able to remake your plates in anything other than the standard NZ format plates.

The issue I have personally is that Personalised Plates seem to have an anti-competitive monopoly on this and that they're the only person who can offer you a europlate upgrade. Licensys will tell you that the REAL cost of a pair of europlates is $80 at most, hence Licensys is charging about $300 for a bit of data entry. This is as a direct result of their state-sanctioned monopoly on the market.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
welll lets get our hands on the NZ font and send them over to Chris at German Plates

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 26, 2008, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 26, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
welll lets get our hands on the NZ font and send them over to Chris at German Plates



Will need the hologram on the plate also?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: HaNs on September 26, 2008, 02:02:49 PM
Will need the hologram on the plate also?

bet you you can get them from china...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 26, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
welll lets get our hands on the NZ font and send them over to Chris at German Plates



Not that easy. The NZ font is not in the public domain, although it is prescribed in the NZ Standard. I also doubt that Germanplates would want to spend a considerable sum tooling up to press the NZ font for the relative handful of plates they'd sell each year.

I'm not sure if the Hologram is a requirement or not, it's certainly not specified anywhere in the statute. In any case, the lack of a hologram is not going to get you pulled over by the cops and slapped with a fine.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
thats alright..

just make it and press it whos to know..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 26, 2008, 02:15:52 PM
Quote from: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
bet you you can get them from china...

You can get anything from china  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 26, 2008, 02:19:52 PM
Hi george.

Nice to see you on the dark side. ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 26, 2008, 02:28:37 PM
the hologram was mentioned by the cop who slapped me on the back of the hands.

at the end of the day i think they are just starting the wind down on"boy racers" and this is a quick way of grabbing a few people off the roads.

I'm with george (esprit). its not P.Plates i'm against (they make me a nice sum each year so cant complain too much) but the exorbitant prices they charge.
the Po-Lice being dicks and pulling up people for something different is just annoying though
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
bet you you can get them from china...

i hear you can get 5pot from china too;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on September 26, 2008, 02:36:01 PM
The font difference is BS.
What kind of excuse this that? After all the German made plates are as legable as any another's.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on September 26, 2008, 02:28:37 PM
the hologram was mentioned by the cop who slapped me on the back of the hands.

at the end of the day i think they are just starting the wind down on"boy racers" and this is a quick way of grabbing a few people off the roads.

I'm with george (esprit). its not P.Plates i'm against (they make me a nice sum each year so cant complain too much) but the exorbitant prices they charge.
the Po-Lice being dicks and pulling up people for something different is just annoying though

Got it in one Clive... it's the fact that someone's had a tanty and put pressure on the bobbies to issue tickets... whether it's a specific directive that's come down from on-high, or whether it's just general pressure to issue tickets that's led to coppers ticketing "easy fodder", I'm not sure. Remember... people with incorrect plates are usually busy, upstanding citizens who'll happily pay their fine after writing a terse letter or two.

Four words: Physical money female bovine.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on September 26, 2008, 02:36:01 PM
The font difference is BS.
What kind of excuse this that? After all the German made plates are as legable as any another's.


The selection of the new NZ font was a result of a 2 year long research project that involved a lot of stuff more complicated than you realise. The German font is less about legibility and is more about anti-forgery, which was a big issue in Germany before they switched over to their current font.

Or perhaps you'd prefer I wrote like this?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 26, 2008, 02:33:32 PM
i hear you can get 5pot from china too;)

Oh nah, just a bit further south ;)

But we all look the same eh?  :P ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:47:16 PM
Oh nah, just a bit further south ;)

But we all look the same eh?  :P ::)

you whita peapaw arr rook da same
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 02:40:55 PM
The selection of the new NZ font was a result of a 2 year long research project that involved a lot of stuff more complicated than you realise. The German font is less about legibility and is more about anti-forgery, which was a big issue in Germany before they switched over to their current font.

Or perhaps you'd prefer I wrote like this?

good show old chap
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 26, 2008, 02:54:25 PM
you whita peapaw arr rook da same

arr you round-eye plicks no haf mannus!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on September 26, 2008, 03:03:51 PM
oh here we go again, which member is gonna leave this time  ::) :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 26, 2008, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 02:58:23 PM
arr you round-eye plicks no haf mannus!

Clikey!

Them's fightin' words...only you lot all know Kung foo, so I won't be fightin' ya! ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 26, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on September 26, 2008, 03:03:51 PM
oh here we go again, which member is gonna leave this time  ::) :D
This ain;t ES...no-one's leaving!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 26, 2008, 03:06:28 PM
:)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 26, 2008, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: HitmanR32 on September 26, 2008, 02:33:32 PM
i hear you can get 5pot from china too;)

I hear you can get all sorts of things from China  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on September 26, 2008, 04:02:08 PM
Personalised registration plates
*Ahem*
So guys, the following extract is not good.  It appears that ANY plate that isn't the standard size or colour is considered a personalised plate, furthermore in order to have the Right to receive a personalised place you must obtain that right from the authorised person (Section 3 below). Further to that they can charge what they like. 

There can only be one person at any one time with that right to dish out personalised plates under the regs - section 4 below.

It follows that if you haven't already got a PPlate then you don't have the right to display one, it may be a stretch to say it's theft to display one but it's certainly fraudulent. 

As far as anti-competitive claims go I guess the only leg we have to stand on is that they are charging ridiculous amounts for the privilege, as evidenced by the difference between cost of plates ($32) and the current minimum $399 they charge to personalise your existing plate.

I can not find any reference in the regs or the rules to a standard plate description apart from the colour and fact they must be embossed aluminium.  Can anyone else?

Another question that occurs to me:  What if you already have the purchased right to use a personalised plate?  Surely you would then be entitled to have any format currently produced without paying anything extra...Certainly asking $399 for the right to change shape of plate seems off when they are currently charging $749 for std personalised plates and $849 for Euro-format ones.

  From the Transport Regs:
"Section 6
      (1) A personalised registration plate is a registration plate that bears a combination of letters, numbers, or both, or any single letter or number, specially allocated by the Registrar for use on a personalised registration plate.

      (2) The Registrar may enter into a contract with any person entitling that person to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates.

      (3) The person who for the time being has an appropriate contract with the Registrar may dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates?

            (a) On payment of an agreed price:
         
            (b) By auction or tender:
         
            (c) By any other means of sale or disposition.

      (4) There shall not be more than one contract under this section in force at any one time.

      (5) Where no contract is in force under this section, the Registrar shall be deemed to be the person for the time being entitled to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates."
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 26, 2008, 04:05:59 PM
But to get away with it, you just need to make a facsimile of the NZ plate using the NZ font, right?

With that in mind: http://www.sparkytype.com/licenz.php
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on September 26, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 02:40:55 PM
The selection of the new NZ font was a result of a 2 year long research project that involved a lot of stuff more complicated than you realise. The German font is less about legibility and is more about anti-forgery, which was a big issue in Germany before they switched over to their current font.

Or perhaps you'd prefer I wrote like this?

2 years? lol
Guess that is 2 years of tax payers money as well . . .
Id love to know whats so complicated about a font. 104 weeks for someone/group to decide  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on September 26, 2008, 04:28:35 PM
as far as i can see, the only thing that differs between the plates is the number "0"... and even still, its blatantly obvious what it is
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on September 26, 2008, 04:47:45 PM
Quote from: typ53 on September 26, 2008, 04:02:08 PM
Personalised registration plates
*Ahem*
So guys, the following extract is not good.  It appears that ANY plate that isn't the standard size or colour is considered a personalised plate, furthermore in order to have the Right to receive a personalised place you must obtain that right from the authorised person (Section 3 below). Further to that they can charge what they like. 

There can only be one person at any one time with that right to dish out personalised plates under the regs - section 4 below.

It follows that if you haven't already got a PPlate then you don't have the right to display one, it may be a stretch to say it's theft to display one but it's certainly fraudulent. 

As far as anti-competitive claims go I guess the only leg we have to stand on is that they are charging ridiculous amounts for the privilege, as evidenced by the difference between cost of plates ($32) and the current minimum $399 they charge to personalise your existing plate.

I can not find any reference in the regs or the rules to a standard plate description apart from the colour and fact they must be embossed aluminium.  Can anyone else?

Another question that occurs to me:  What if you already have the purchased right to use a personalised plate?  Surely you would then be entitled to have any format currently produced without paying anything extra...Certainly asking $399 for the right to change shape of plate seems off when they are currently charging $749 for std personalised plates and $849 for Euro-format ones.

  From the Transport Regs:
"Section 6
      (1) A personalised registration plate is a registration plate that bears a combination of letters, numbers, or both, or any single letter or number, specially allocated by the Registrar for use on a personalised registration plate.

      (2) The Registrar may enter into a contract with any person entitling that person to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates.

      (3) The person who for the time being has an appropriate contract with the Registrar may dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates?

            (a) On payment of an agreed price:
         
            (b) By auction or tender:
         
            (c) By any other means of sale or disposition.

      (4) There shall not be more than one contract under this section in force at any one time.

      (5) Where no contract is in force under this section, the Registrar shall be deemed to be the person for the time being entitled to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates."

I did ask them about just buying the rights to the plates and they refused to play ball with me.  Basically, it's "buy the rights for $*** and we will manufacture them and register them for free". 
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on September 26, 2008, 04:52:31 PM
I'm sure it's been suggested before, but has anyone tried making an extra-wide licence plate "surround", which incorporates the Euro-style stickers? Possibly even use the German Plates plastic frame, with some metal plates & stickers either side of the standard plate....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on September 26, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
2 years? lol
Guess that is 2 years of tax payers money as well . . .
Id love to know whats so complicated about a font. 104 weeks for someone/group to decide  ::)


Might I suggest you get the hell over yourself.

That 2 years includes accelerated age-testing (UV/corrosive environment exposure) to test that the new design remains legible throughout the anticipated service life of the plate. Such testing aligns NZ's plates with international standards for vehicle identification and it's all standard best-practice.

For the record, EVERY character in the NZ font is significantly different from the German counterpart.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 26, 2008, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: fast4motion on September 26, 2008, 04:52:31 PM
I'm sure it's been suggested before, but has anyone tried making an extra-wide licence plate "surround", which incorporates the Euro-style stickers? Possibly even use the German Plates plastic frame, with some metal plates & stickers either side of the standard plate....

Been done, looks terrible...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: spooln on September 26, 2008, 06:28:43 PM
The costs of plates. There is the original registration fee (that from what I can see no one is picking on)? The focus seems to be on the manufacturing premium of approx $360 odd, per original run, of your plate into the pockets of the plates people. Can we have a  perspective check...so...

a) You like odd bender in town, or dinner and drinks with the better half, some taxis, how much change do you get from $360?
b) You have a flash Ipod (more in likely has truck loads of downloaded music - i.e pirated) how much change did you get from $360?
c) You like trackdays, at the current costs of gas, you fill the car there and back, and again at the track, how much change did you get from $360

Being its a lifetime thing, and any replacements are at the lower costs, if you use your plate (says it personal enough to use on multiple cars) for at least 10 years, and you enjoy it every day that you drive it. Is that enjoyment worth only $36 per year?

???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 26, 2008, 06:45:43 PM
Quote from: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 05:08:33 PM
Might I suggest you get the hell over yourself.

That 2 years includes accelerated age-testing (UV/corrosive environment exposure) to test that the new design remains legible throughout the anticipated service life of the plate. Such testing aligns NZ's plates with international standards for vehicle identification and it's all standard best-practice.


One of the main reasons why the goverment hasnt gone down the path of ANPR (Active Number Plate Recognition) is because the standard and reflectivity of NZ number plates is shi*.. so dont give me that...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on September 26, 2008, 07:15:41 PM
Quote from: spooln on September 26, 2008, 06:28:43 PM
The costs of plates. There is the original registration fee (that from what I can see no one is picking on)? The focus seems to be on the manufacturing premium of approx $360 odd, per original run, of your plate into the pockets of the plates people. Can we have a  perspective check...so...

a) You like odd bender in town, or dinner and drinks with the better half, some taxis, how much change do you get from $360?
b) You have a flash Ipod (more in likely has truck loads of downloaded music - i.e pirated) how much change did you get from $360?
c) You like trackdays, at the current costs of gas, you fill the car there and back, and again at the track, how much change did you get from $360

Being its a lifetime thing, and any replacements are at the lower costs, if you use your plate (says it personal enough to use on multiple cars) for at least 10 years, and you enjoy it every day that you drive it. Is that enjoyment worth only $36 per year?

???

Fair call. 

Further to my phone conversation this morning I had a call back from a delightful lady at 0800 Remake.  Replacement plates per pair (std) for $20, but to get a change of format One must deal with Personalised Plates and pay their premium.

I'll get in touch with them on Monday to see costs there, but to be honest I'd be more than a little miffed if the premium for Euro Plates was more than the difference between Std and Euro personalised plates quoted on their site ($100 difference) given I have already got a P-PLate on the car.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on September 26, 2008, 10:41:29 PM
I find it funny that most older pplates euro plates have the the blue fading off them

Some are just faint NZ flags, & an outline of a fern

Maybe the government can spend 2 years figuring that one out with them  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 27, 2008, 03:47:15 PM
Quote from: spooln on September 26, 2008, 06:28:43 PM
The costs of plates. There is the original registration fee (that from what I can see no one is picking on)? The focus seems to be on the manufacturing premium of approx $360 odd, per original run, of your plate into the pockets of the plates people. Can we have a  perspective check...so...

a) You like odd bender in town, or dinner and drinks with the better half, some taxis, how much change do you get from $360?
b) You have a flash Ipod (more in likely has truck loads of downloaded music - i.e pirated) how much change did you get from $360?
c) You like trackdays, at the current costs of gas, you fill the car there and back, and again at the track, how much change did you get from $360

Being its a lifetime thing, and any replacements are at the lower costs, if you use your plate (says it personal enough to use on multiple cars) for at least 10 years, and you enjoy it every day that you drive it. Is that enjoyment worth only $36 per year?

???

I have no issues paying that for a plate, but could I have one without a god damn fern on it...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: oily on September 27, 2008, 06:52:54 PM
Found this on Tardme

Legal plates ?

Non-standard sized, oldstyle white on black and hung at an angle, boyracer style.

>:D

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.trademe.co.nz%2Fphotoserver%2F11%2F75321711_full.jpg&hash=d2c479a5ab2d584ab9ce1fa33d27b3885fa6d80f)
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.trademe.co.nz%2Fphotoserver%2F13%2F75321713_full.jpg&hash=2e33dd2cb90f49d9555da79de3348b65a0507dd3)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on September 27, 2008, 06:57:31 PM
Those plates are fine........because its a Porsche
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 29, 2008, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: qta4 on September 27, 2008, 06:57:31 PM
Those plates are fine........because its a Porsche
Quite.

It's the ones that look like the fine will hurt that get pinged...not the ones that look like they can afford to pay a fine every day of their lives...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Spinner on September 29, 2008, 11:10:43 AM
Quote from: Esprit on September 26, 2008, 05:08:33 PM
Might I suggest you get the hell over yourself.

That 2 years includes accelerated age-testing (UV/corrosive environment exposure) to test that the new design remains legible throughout the anticipated service life of the plate. Such testing aligns NZ's plates with international standards for vehicle identification and it's all standard best-practice.


all the materials and manufacturing processes used in producing the goddam plate would all have well know chemical and mechanical/physical attributes all previously researched and established ... making a test plate and leaving it out in the sun (yes yes i know there is more to it than thatand yes NZ may have a slightly different UV index etc) is hardly justification for the time and money spent.....
why the need to reinvent the wheel?? do we not trust other nations research or standards??...(the same ones that we happily use as examples when we cant be assed doing the research locally!?)


might i suggest you . . . . .           ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on September 29, 2008, 12:12:32 PM
Another one bites the dust, just noticed the rego number on my old car has changed, guess he got told to change the euro plates that were on it  :-[
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on September 29, 2008, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on September 29, 2008, 10:44:09 AM
Quite.

It's the ones that look like the fine will hurt that get pinged...not the ones that look like they can afford to pay a fine every day of their lives...


Really I thought they target the people who look like they can afford to pay a fine... ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 29, 2008, 12:55:34 PM
I think they target those who are going to be easy fodder - middle class people with nice cars who are unlikely to pull an air rifle or knife when pulled over.
Easy to be tough when you feel completely safe.
Easier than tracking down burglars to the rough side of town and you know your heart will be racing as you approach a residence that might house a violent perp.

Ah, what's that? jeez, another smart ar*e richy in a flash car and pretend Euro plates - I'll show 'em who's who!!!  :police:

>:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 29, 2008, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: gti vr6 on September 29, 2008, 12:26:11 PM

Really I thought they target the people who look like they can afford to pay a fine... ???
It'd be a rare thing to see a Middle Aged man in a Ferrari being pulled over for being too loud, but the guy in the 10 year old A4 with straight through Exhaust is more likely to be pinged...so my experience has shown, anyway.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Spinner on September 29, 2008, 01:41:12 PM
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/09/900.asp


no one is immune to their petty bullying!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 29, 2008, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Spinner on September 29, 2008, 01:41:12 PM
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/09/900.asp


no one is immune to their petty bullying!!!

Catch me if you can if what i would have said if i was him
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 29, 2008, 02:45:23 PM
I would have just been so irate I think I probably would've ended up in prison for assault on several police officers!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on September 29, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
You've got to wonder what he said to be given that strict a response with his family in the car? Leaving him stranded? Crazy  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on September 29, 2008, 04:57:19 PM
Quote from: AngleBox on September 29, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
You've got to wonder what he said to be given that strict a response with his family in the car? Leaving him stranded? Crazy  >:(
Probably something along the lines of "suck my tailpipe, Copper - you ain't takin' my car"...or words to that effect.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on September 29, 2008, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: AngleBox on September 29, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
You've got to wonder what he said to be given that strict a response with his family in the car? Leaving him stranded? Crazy  >:(

He was obviously rich and drove a flashy car. Some cops see green in those circumstances.
Plus I think from memory he was a bit clever about it and that would have upped the ante too.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 29, 2008, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: Spinner on September 29, 2008, 01:41:12 PM
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/09/900.asp


no one is immune to their petty bullying!!!

Hurry up and spit your fookin dummys out.... just get over it FFS

Te Awamutu... i used to live there what a sh*thole.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on September 29, 2008, 09:27:13 PM
Doubt it would have been much of a 'burn out' in that thing. Especially if he had his wife and mother in-law in the car? (maybe I misunderstood that part). Was probably more like a bit too much accel off the mark and a bit of a squeek. Bloody harsh if ya ask me, but crap happens!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on September 29, 2008, 10:31:17 PM
i thought th term was "sustained"  loss of traction. You should have a fair case in court if it wasn't sustained and just a bit of accelerator. Doesn't state what the definition of sustained is though..

Quote from: Police.govt.nz on September 29, 2008, 09:27:13 PM
The following are the major offences and the maximum penalties. (from Police website)

You must not operate a motor vehicle in a race or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration on a road (unless authorised by law).


You must not, without reasonable excuse, operate a motor vehicle on a road in a manner that causes the vehicle to undergo sustained loss of traction (unless authorised by law).


If you commit either of these offences the maximum is 3 months imprisonment, or $4,500 in fines, and a minimum period of disqualification of 6 months.

If you kill or injure someone while illegally racing, the penalties increase to a maximum penalty of 5 years imprisonment, or a fine not exceeding $20,000, and a minimum period of disqualification of 1 year.


You must not, without reasonable excuse, pour onto or place on, or allow to spill onto any road petrol, oil or diesel fuel, or any other substance likely to cause a vehicle to undergo loss of traction.
Pouring, or spilling a slippery substance on the road is an infringement offence with a fee of $600, or if proceeded with in Court, a fine not exceeding $3,000.
Vehicle Impoundment

When a Police officer believes on reasonable grounds that a vehicle has been operated in an illegal street race, an unnecessary exhibition of speed, or a burnout, the officer may impound the vehicle for 28 days at the owner's expense - effective immediately.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on September 29, 2008, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: omad on September 29, 2008, 10:31:17 PM
i thought th term was "sustained"  loss of traction. You should have a fair case in court if it wasn't sustained and just a bit of accelerator. Doesn't state what the definition of sustained is though..


We are very well policed in NZ........

Cant believe what a bunch namby pamby soft pr*cks they are
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 30, 2008, 03:45:50 PM
Ok I have Just got off the Phone with 0800 Remake

Mums Car came with a Genuine New Zealand Europlate with the Blue Flag at one end and BMW at the other..

So i asked the lovely girl on the phone if she could get me a new one made in europlate style but have the flags both black...

She Replied We have no Authority to Change the Plate Style as its all on record etc on Plates have the authority to do so apparently changing the printed flag either end is a Plate Style Change!

I thanked her for her time and went on my merry way...




Picked up the Phone again called 0800 PLATES

Inquired about the Style Change for the Plates she replied thats fine Whats the owners name.. i replied with Mums First and Last name

The lady replied "thats not the owners name, i said what do you mean We bought the car and the plates came on it..." she replied yes thats fine.. but you dont own the number plates.. they still belong to the previous Owner.

I cant quite Understand how that works but any way... Now i have to find the previous owner get him to transfer the plates to my mothers ownership. either that or find a JP and get a Stat Declarance of ownership so long as we have held the vehicle for over 4 months..

Now the real kicker was when i asked about Getting the Plates Made up to Europlates again but instead with Black Flags!.

She Replied $299.00

What the hell!?

They are already Europlates but with blue flags which i can get remade for 30 bucks by remake.. but to change the flags from blue to black it will cost ten times that!! what the hell is going on!?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on September 30, 2008, 06:29:23 PM
And they wonder why people are going offshore.  The crazy thing is if they made the changes more affordable they'd sell more and likely earn more from their cozy little monopoly.

I wonder if there has been a tender for the right to issue personalised plates since the initial one that gave the rights to Personalised Plates?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 30, 2008, 06:43:35 PM
oh man.. i feel bad..

just found out the previous owner of the vehicle passed away..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 30, 2008, 06:48:34 PM
Dude, that sucks. Same as the plates, how dare they charge to change the colour. And then to wonder why people are getting German Plates. It's bullcrap >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 30, 2008, 06:51:03 PM
so i have no idea how we can take ownership of the plates again..
maybe ill just start from scratch.. and get her a new #

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on September 30, 2008, 06:55:31 PM
Quote from: Ante on September 30, 2008, 03:45:50 PM
Ok I have Just got off the Phone with 0800 Remake

Mums Car came with a Genuine New Zealand Europlate with the Blue Flag at one end and BMW at the other..

So i asked the lovely girl on the phone if she could get me a new one made in europlate style but have the flags both black...

She Replied We have no Authority to Change the Plate Style as its all on record etc on Plates have the authority to do so apparently changing the printed flag either end is a Plate Style Change!

I thanked her for her time and went on my merry way...




Picked up the Phone again called 0800 PLATES

Inquired about the Style Change for the Plates she replied thats fine Whats the owners name.. i replied with Mums First and Last name

The lady replied "thats not the owners name, i said what do you mean We bought the car and the plates came on it..." she replied yes thats fine.. but you dont own the number plates.. they still belong to the previous Owner.

I cant quite Understand how that works but any way... Now i have to find the previous owner get him to transfer the plates to my mothers ownership. either that or find a JP and get a Stat Declarance of ownership so long as we have held the vehicle for over 4 months..

Now the real kicker was when i asked about Getting the Plates Made up to Europlates again but instead with Black Flags!.

She Replied $299.00

What the hell!?

They are already Europlates but with blue flags which i can get remade for 30 bucks by remake.. but to change the flags from blue to black it will cost ten times that!! what the hell is going on!?



Get a signwriter to make you up an overlay for the sides.

Technically this wont breach NZ regs, as its still a genuine plate.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on September 30, 2008, 07:01:16 PM
Just a query, on germanplates.com what currency are they using? So I know how much I have to have...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on September 30, 2008, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: Aidan on September 30, 2008, 07:01:16 PM
Just a query, on germanplates.com what currency are they using? So I know how much I have to have...

USD
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on September 30, 2008, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: beeker on September 30, 2008, 06:55:31 PM
Technically this wont breach NZ regs, as its still a genuine plate.

Thats Exactly what MKII Uno T did with the Plates in his Show room and the cop came thru and forced him to remove all the stickers..

apparently your not even allowed to put stickers on them etc.. which is fricking stupid considering you outright own a plate when its in Euroform!

I had signwriters make me custom stickers for the Plates on my Old GTI

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on September 30, 2008, 09:42:04 PM
Yeah I think that cop went over the mark for sure.
Your not allowed to deface standard plates as you don't own them.
Some people put stickers actually within the characters on a PP like a black dot to separate two words without a space or putting a love heart in there, that kind of thing, which is understandably not allowed.
But putting a sticker outside the text over a tag that is already there and getting the attention of some diminutively hung rozzer is pathetic!
It just proves how lame these cock spanners are.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on September 30, 2008, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: GlenT on September 30, 2008, 09:42:04 PM
Yeah I think that cop went over the mark for sure.
Your not allowed to deface standard plates as you don't own them.
Some people put stickers actually within the characters on a PP like a black dot to separate two words without a space or putting a love heart in there, that kind of thing, which is understandably not allowed.
But putting a sticker outside the text over a tag that is already there and getting the attention of some diminutively hung rozzer is pathetic!
It just proves how lame these cock spanners are.

I agree, totally OTT.  Kinda understandable if NZ had a 0% crime rate, but since we don't...

Quote from: Ante on September 30, 2008, 06:43:35 PM
oh man.. i feel bad..

just found out the previous owner of the vehicle passed away..

I know what you mean Anton but not your fault they passed away
I've had my plates since I bought them in '92.  Went on my car at the time and have since changed them at least twice, each time to cars registered in my name, and then took them off in '99.  Went to put them on my 130TC in '05 and found they weren't in my name... signed a stat dec and got them transferred no probs.  But a bit surprised it wasn't an issue in '93 or '95 when I changed it before...?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 01, 2008, 06:16:44 AM
any advice on where to Sort a Stat Dec?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 01, 2008, 06:44:24 AM
Actually now I remember, it was when I went to have them remade that I discovered that the plates were still in the previous owners name.  The people that remake the plates sent me the stuff I needed to complete
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on October 01, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
Write it up yourself and sign it in front of a JP, thats all you'll need.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 01, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: vert1 on October 01, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
Write it up yourself and sign it in front of a JP, thats all you'll need.

My Grandfathers one does that count :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 01, 2008, 01:54:24 PM
0800 remake emailed me one....

they are very helpfull unlike their cousins at the rip off plate company!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Mike on October 01, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
If they spent 2 years testing the plates for durability blah blah, which sounds like PR hogwash (the 20-year-old white plates seem to be holding up OK), perhaps a few seconds consideration could have been given to the fact that the standard plate dimensions don't actually properly fit any cars on the road except for Aussie ones??

The standard plate size is still a carryover from the American plate-making machinery we started with in the 1920s/30s.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: EVLC36 on October 01, 2008, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Mike on October 01, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
If they spent 2 years testing the plates for durability blah blah, which sounds like PR hogwash (the 20-year-old white plates seem to be holding up OK), perhaps a few seconds consideration could have been given to the fact that the standard plate dimensions don't actually properly fit any cars on the road except for Aussie ones??

The standard plate size is still a carryover from the American plate-making machinery we started with in the 1920s/30s.

Good call... why should we have to pay $300 for a plate that fits properly, and why cant we have shorter plates that fit on Jap cars??
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 01, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
they should sell our standard plate making machine to some poor stupid pacific island
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 01, 2008, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: Ante on October 01, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
they should sell our standard plate making machine to some poor stupid pacific island


Good idea... if only they had some money to pay for it!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 01, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: Ante on October 01, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
they should sell our standard plate making machine to some poor stupid pacific island

Didn't we find out earlier the American's already did that   :angel:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 01, 2008, 09:21:54 PM
 :D :D :D
Good one.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 01, 2008, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: AngleBox on October 01, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
Didn't we find out earlier the American's already did that   :angel:

I must say .. top call that!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: xring on October 03, 2008, 12:41:39 PM
On xtra today:

Luxury car owners must make sure their vehicles have both licence plates attached despite the trend towards new models not having provision for plates on grills and front bumpers.

Land Transport spokesman Andy Knackstedt says the increasingly popular sticker plates attached to the windscreen are actually illegal.

He says the law specifies that the traditional plates issued by the registrar must be attached to the font and back of vehicles and every letter and number must be visible.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 03, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
Got pulled over!!

$200 fine!!

Had to remove the plate there and then, put them into the boot, and drive home plateless.

oh dear...


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on October 03, 2008, 07:08:10 PM
Quote from: beeker on October 03, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
Got pulled over!!

$200 fine!!

Had to remove the plate there and then, put them into the boot, and drive home plateless.

oh dear...




Bugger, did you have any chance to dispute it?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 03, 2008, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: Aidan on October 03, 2008, 07:08:10 PM
Bugger, did you have any chance to dispute it?

Do you really think you'll win ?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on October 03, 2008, 07:12:08 PM
Oh crap, so it is happening. . . . .
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 03, 2008, 08:04:17 PM
just take your plates off for a few months.. let the heat dissipate

and then youll be sweet!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 03, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: beeker on October 03, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
Got pulled over!!

$200 fine!!

Had to remove the plate there and then, put them into the boot, and drive home plateless.

oh dear...


How f**king stupid is that!! Great blow for road safety and law enforcement that!

What was the fine for?
On what grounds did he demand you remove a decoration on your car? Display of a graphic of your choice is not illegal. So it happens to have the same lettering as your legal plate - is that against the law - which particular statute? you weren't trying to display a false registration number.

Fight it Noel. Get a good lawyer and post a fund bank account here - I'll deposit $200 towards your costs.

Stil, I guess, compared to shopkeepers being stabbed in ever-increasing numbers this is right up there!  :police:

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on October 03, 2008, 10:31:53 PM
Quote from: Audidude on October 03, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
How f**king stupid is that!! Great blow for road safety and law enforcement that!

What was the fine for?
On what grounds did he demand you remove a decoration on your car? Display of a graphic of your choice is not illegal. So it happens to have the same lettering as your legal plate - is that against the law - which particular statute? you weren't trying to display a false registration number.

Fight it Noel. Get a good lawyer and post a fund bank account here - I'll deposit $200 towards your costs.

Stil, I guess, compared to shopkeepers being stabbed in ever-increasing numbers this is right up there!  :police:

Cheers

Your right bang on mate. Fight it  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on October 03, 2008, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Audidude on October 03, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
How f**king stupid is that!! Great blow for road safety and law enforcement that!

What was the fine for?
On what grounds did he demand you remove a decoration on your car? Display of a graphic of your choice is not illegal. So it happens to have the same lettering as your legal plate - is that against the law - which particular statute? you weren't trying to display a false registration number.

Fight it Noel. Get a good lawyer and post a fund bank account here - I'll deposit $200 towards your costs.

Stil, I guess, compared to shopkeepers being stabbed in ever-increasing numbers this is right up there!  :police:

Cheers

This is what I don't understand, they are the same damn rego, how the f**k is that illegal, and how can they say people are using them for crime if the car pulled up is registered under the same plates. If it's fought, I will donate too.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 03, 2008, 10:46:27 PM
This issue is simple:

There is now evidence that the police are trying to enforce a regulation that does NOTHING but protect a private monopoly business.
They are wasting a valuable resource that everyone KNOWS is in short supply - the police themselves.

It completely beggars belief that they are doing this when there is clearly no payback in fighting crime.

It is a petty and wasteful effort.

I guarantee I will fight this one in court if I get pinged AND make as big a political noise as possible.

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 03, 2008, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: Audidude on October 03, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
Stil, I guess, compared to shopkeepers being stabbed in ever-increasing numbers this is right up there!  :police:

No worries, the Police'll charge the shopkeepers too! 
http://www.3news.co.nz/Liquorstoreownerarrestedfollowingstabbing/tabid/423/articleID/74387/cat/64/Default.aspx

The number plates thing and now this... I was really worried the Police had gone bonkers!  "This wouldn't have happened under Rickards!" I hear you say.  But I've figured it out and now I'm not so concerned.... it's all a ploy by subversive old Mr Plod, to get Helen fired in the upcoming election!  Payback for the speeding motorcade scandal of 2004  ;) ;D  Good work Mr Fuzz!

Seriously, Noel you should fight this, someone needs to test it.  I'll sign your petition.  Hell, I'll even open my wallet - and I don't even have one of your Euro/German plates.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on October 03, 2008, 11:27:22 PM
I'm in. I don't have a plate yet either.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 03, 2008, 11:29:11 PM
Im in

I dont even own a car..

but 80% of my Family Use German Plates.com
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on October 03, 2008, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: beeker on October 03, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
Got pulled over!!

$200 fine!!

Had to remove the plate there and then, put them into the boot, and drive home plateless.

oh dear...




??? ??? wtf ?

Drive home with no plates is better is it ?

What is the $200 fine for, what is it charged under ?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 03, 2008, 11:41:42 PM
What's the real issue here? Legality or cost?

If VTNZ were issuers of the 'euro' plate / vanity plate, and charged $xx.xx for the privilege, would this level of debate be going on? What business operates on real costs being the sole basis for retail costs?

Is the issue around the belief that the VTNZ agent operates wholly independent of government oversight? I agree the costs are exorbitant, but many things in NZ seem exorbitant when compared to other economies.

What's a vanity plate cost elsewhere? In California, it's around $200 - who has other values? Oz, UK?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 04, 2008, 12:07:07 AM
hmmm let me know what the offence code and description that was written.. i'll look it up in our database  ;)

let's see if its a current traffic violation or something they just pulled out of their ass.  ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 04, 2008, 07:16:25 AM
Quote from: slowmo on October 04, 2008, 12:07:07 AM
hmmm let me know what the offence code and description that was written.. i'll look it up in our database  ;)

let's see if its a current traffic violation or something they just pulled out of their ass.  ???

"1." "Displayed other than appropriate number plate" "$200"

There was allot of bla bla about use by criminals, them being able to licence plate up cars, and the need to crack down on this issue.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on October 04, 2008, 07:40:58 AM
Its bollocks pure and simple. Thats the speech the cop gave me too.

I said so a criminal will order German plate on his credit card and then wait a couple of three weeks for them to arrive and then go commit a crime??? Righto... Wouldn't they just take some off of an existing car.

He didn't issue a ticket but threatened the hell out of me.... If I ever see you without right plates blah blah. Confiscate them blah blah Re-vin your car blah blah..... Got to go look at some porn and call some taxis now

He didn't even ask to see my cert plate for mods that could have been illegal. If I were him thats what I would be looking for.

How about the REAL criminals... The ones that roar past on their Harleys at twice the speed limit on blind corners drunk and or methed up and no reg no warrant cars that will never pay a fine and that they are crap scared to go after.

We are an easy bust for them and their quota system.

The police are (or have) become a joke!!
How can they expect anyone to believe the crap they pedal about crims using euro plates??

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 04, 2008, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: beeker on October 04, 2008, 07:16:25 AM
"1." "Displayed other than appropriate number plate" "$200"

There was allot of bla bla about use by criminals, them being able to licence plate up cars, and the need to crack down on this issue.

To Me thats a Load of crap

That Fine sound like it appropriates more to a Situation when your Actuall Registration is ABC123 and you Deliberatly mis-represent your actual Reg # by placing a plate such as 987XYZ

I cant see how that would apply to a plate that displays exactly that
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 04, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
you know what beeks.. remove the plates permanently

next time you see the flashing lights.. chop to 3rd bury your fit.. exceed 200kmh youll be sweet

*obviously im being sarcastic* but the aformention is basically the sum of whats beging to occour!

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 04, 2008, 08:53:25 AM
Why dont we take this issue up on Close Up, Campbell Live or Fair Go?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 04, 2008, 08:55:14 AM
ok lets go

comon...

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 04, 2008, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: AngleBox on October 03, 2008, 11:41:42 PM
What's the real issue here? Legality or cost?

If VTNZ were issuers of the 'euro' plate / vanity plate, and charged $xx.xx for the privilege, would this level of debate be going on? What business operates on real costs being the sole basis for retail costs?



I think its a cost issue, and we dont like to be ripped off.
Why can I land a pair of Europlates from Germanplates.com who are based in German on my door step for around $100? Germanplates are making a profit from this so why does Plates NZ get away with charging us $400 odd?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
Sure, who's eloquent enough and game enough to go on tv and not seem like a young punk/boyracer rebelling against 'The Man' though?  Audidude maybe?  I think we would need a representative of the NZ federation of car clubs to be involved so that the argument would actually carry some weight.  No-one is going to listen to a few Vask guys in the wilderness but a more recognised lobby group might have some clout.

Trouble is it's set in stone by legislation and the only vague approach we really could take is price gouging by PPlates.  What we really need is for someone like Campbell to get pulled over for this issue and I suspect it's not going to happen.

Has anyone got in touch with the German plates people to see if they would make number plates in the NZ font (if we supplied it?).
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 04, 2008, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 09:00:09 AM

Has anyone got in touch with the German plates people to see if they would make number plates in the NZ font (if we supplied it?).


Im guessing the costs would be to high for them to make the stamps.
The font wouldnt be an issue, they are easy to copy.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 09:12:05 AM
Still it might be worth asking.  Does anyone here have a half decent rapport with them?         
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
I think we should look at joining the Federation of NZ Car Clubs and get a bigger voice and recognised lobbyists on board.

Subscription for VASK to join is related to the size of our membership, it's an annual fee for the entire club (not per member), and would be either $88 (up to 250 members) or $165 (250-500 members) depending upon the size of our membership.  I think it would be really useful to get these guys into gear on this issue.  They were largely instrumental in getting the special interest vehicle quota installed amongst other things.  They represent 110 car clubs nationwide!

The text below is from their site, a bit long but it gives you an idea of what they do.


From the Federation of NZ Car Clubs Website (http://www.fomc.co.nz/about.html)
QuoteThe FOMC was founded in 1994 as a group of motoring enthusiasts interested in the preservation of their vehicles and the right to use them on public roads without undue restriction by regulatory authorities. The foundational meeting was attended by 31 Clubs and has grown to over 110 Member Clubs.

The Federation is an incorporated Society with an Executive selected by postal ballot from Member Clubs and has the authority to co-opt technical personnel if required. All officers, except the Secretary, are unpaid and spend a great deal of time working for the benefit of Member clubs.

The Federation is an umbrella organisation for Clubs and does not accept individuals as members.

Since it's formation, the Federation has been involved in preparing submissions on a wide range of discussion documents and issues with Land Transport New Zealand (now the NZ Transport Agency), and Ministry of Transport. We also work in association with the Vintage Car Club of NZ & the NZ Automobile Association....

By working together with the Vintage Car Club & NZ Automobile Association we can make worthwhile recommendations to the rule makers and know that we have been heard. The more clubs that we represent means more notice will be taken of us.

The FOMC has garnered great respect in government circles over the years of its operation and has become a significant lobbying voice in government.

The President and Secretary of FOMC meet with the Minister of Transport Safety annually to discuss motoring issues of importance to member clubs. The FOMC enjoys an excellent relationship with the Minister and other influential MP's such as the National Transport spokesperson the Hon Maurice Williamson. Both these MP's have addressed the FOMC's annual general meeting in Taupo in recent years.

An alliance serving the needs of diverse motoring groups through active partnership

If your club is a branch of a NZ wide organisation, please let us know as it is the National Body that should join the Federation. Normally our newsletter will go to the national headquarters where it can be distributed to the branches if required. Your club does not have to be part of national body to join the FOMC.

Please remember the bigger the voice that the Federation has, means that more notice is taken of us -- and do not forget we are working for your club. Remember one club cannot be effective alone in this arena. An alliance can best serve such needs for diverse motoring groups. The FOMC is that alliance.

         
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 04, 2008, 09:36:11 AM
Two things:
1 - the FOMC looks like the best route if we want to progress this.
and
2 - there's no way I'm going on the telly!! ::)

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 04, 2008, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Audidude on October 04, 2008, 09:36:11 AM
2 - there's no way I'm going on the telly!! ::)

again!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 04, 2008, 09:53:52 AM
Quote from: Audidude on October 04, 2008, 09:36:11 AM
Two things:
1 - the FOMC looks like the best route if we want to progress this.
and
2 - there's no way I'm going on the telly!! ::)

Cheers

Youve been on TV before Greg, come on, step up to the plate ;)
OR, maybe you could get your lady to stand in for you ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 04, 2008, 10:09:29 AM
What about Greg Price from NZ Classic Car, he loves soapboxing about these sorts of things.  Someone should send him an email and get him onside, if he wrote about it in his column it would probably get a whole lot of interest outside VASK
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on October 04, 2008, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 04, 2008, 10:09:29 AM
What about Greg Price from NZ Classic Car, he loves soapboxing about these sorts of things.  Someone should send him an email and get him onside, if he wrote about it in his column it would probably get a whole lot of interest outside VASK
now theres an idea!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 12:07:27 PM
Great, so we're starting to form a plan. 

So, who do we talk to about applying to the FOMC on our behalf?  Scott? Nic? Do we have any VASK funds?  If not I'm happy to help foot the bill.  Time to step up to the plate people.

Does anyone know Greg Price well enough to email him?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 04, 2008, 12:18:10 PM
can't find anything of that description anywhere in our database.. wonder why?  ??? ::)

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 04, 2008, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on October 04, 2008, 08:58:28 AM
I think its a cost issue, and we dont like to be ripped off.
Why can I land a pair of Europlates from Germanplates.com who are based in German on my door step for around $100? Germanplates are making a profit from this so why does Plates NZ get away with charging us $400 odd?

There's a difference between OEM and non-OEM products, usually price. Are plates any different? I'd like to know what the ownership structure of plates.com looks like, and what slice of the pie, if any, the government takes from their profits.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on October 04, 2008, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: slowmo on October 04, 2008, 12:18:10 PM
can't find anything of that description anywhere in our database.. wonder why?  ??? ::)

Woud this not be grounds for it to be thrown out in court???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on October 04, 2008, 03:58:53 PM
so in affect pc plod fabricated an offence and a fine?  is that what that means?  cock!
id be in to contribute to this- running german plates as we speak....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 04, 2008, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 12:07:27 PM
Great, so we're starting to form a plan. 

So, who do we talk to about applying to the FOMC on our behalf?  Scott? Nic? Do we have any VASK funds?  If not I'm happy to help foot the bill.  Time to step up to the plate people.

Does anyone know Greg Price well enough to email him?

id rather put 300 towards this cause than 300 to a rip of Plates.co.nz plate
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 04, 2008, 04:48:12 PM
Quote from: omad on October 04, 2008, 03:33:14 PM
Woud this not be grounds for it to be thrown out in court???


well that just means there was no prior code for such an infringement. and since there is none, then somebody decided that it was an offence and to made one up.  :-\

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 04, 2008, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: AngleBox on October 04, 2008, 01:59:18 PM
There's a difference between OEM and non-OEM products, usually price. Are plates any different? I'd like to know what the ownership structure of plates.com looks like, and what slice of the pie, if any, the government takes from their profits.

It appears from the legislation that the government held a tender for the right to issue personalised plates and retains the right to do so again at some point that is not described.

I also suspect that is the extent of the government's slice outside of the levy ($20-$35) for personalised plate issue as also laid down in the Land Transport Act.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 04, 2008, 06:23:44 PM
As a first step I recommend Noel writes and asks for a copy of the exact regulation/law under which his fine has been levied.

Could be an interesting response I suspect.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 05, 2008, 12:52:36 AM
Was at the Home Show in Hamilton today and asked at the Plates stand what it would cost to have my standard personalised plate made up as a Euro plate.
She said it would cost $299!
I asked why that was the case when a remake is only $32.50.
She stated it wasn't simple and that there were several technical issues blah blah blah.
I said that was rubbish and the real reason was that they had a monopoly.
End of conversation!

I already own the number and they want 920% MORE than the actual retail cost of supplying the plate, and 300% more than having a plate made in Germany and shipped here.

There is only one way to describe this:

Monopolistic extortion!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 05, 2008, 08:48:25 AM
I don't know Audidude. It's a luxury or premium product that is licensed. How much does an All-black jersey cost retail, compared to it's 'importers' costs, much less, manufacturer. Diamonds would be the same. This is a cost issue, not a monopoly issue.

It's un-reasonable to expect it not to be a monopoly - they are the license holder on a government regulated product.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 05, 2008, 09:28:40 AM
What happens overseas - anyone know?  I'm pretty sure you can have just about anyone you like manufacture your plate in the UK, and you often see dealers names and postcodes on the bottom of the plates too.

Whilst anything to do with P.Plates is going to be a little bit more expensive (to cover admin, advertising etc), 920% does seem a bit ripe.  And if they can do it in Germany cheaper, normally market economics would dictate that P.Plates would have to sharpen up or lose market share... but of course in our situation they can be as inefficient as a govt dept and not have to worry.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 05, 2008, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: AngleBox on October 05, 2008, 08:48:25 AM
I don't know Audidude. It's a luxury or premium product that is licensed. How much does an All-black jersey cost retail, compared to it's 'importers' costs, much less, manufacturer. Diamonds would be the same. This is a cost issue, not a monopoly issue.

It's un-reasonable to expect it not to be a monopoly - they are the license holder on a government regulated product.

I hear what you're saying Dennis (and you've said it before), and in principle you have a point - what get's under my skin is the AMOUNT of premium - we already have paid for the privilege of owning the letter/number and I have in my garage the originals (actually in my boot now ;)), and to remanufacture a Euro would cost me $32.50 if I owned one that got damaged. I would be OK with a premium of say 2-3x the price to convert my standard personlaised plate to a Euro, but 9.2x!!!.

I stand by my claim of extortion, especially as a near identical font is available ex-Germany for one third their price.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 05, 2008, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Audidude on October 05, 2008, 12:06:47 PM
I hear what you're saying Dennis (and you've said it before), and in principle you have a point - what get's under my skin is the AMOUNT of premium - we already have paid for the privilege of owning the letter/number and I have in my garage the originals (actually in my boot now ;)), and to remanufacture a Euro would cost me $32.50 if I owned one that got damaged. I would be OK with a premium of say 2-3x the price to convert my standard personlaised plate to a Euro, but 9.2x!!!.

I stand by my claim of extortion, especially as a near identical font is available ex-Germany for one third their price.

I agree with your point there re: reasonable margin; in my opinion though the problem is probably around legislation (govt issued or licensed plates) and the relationship between PPlates & NZ Govt, not PPlates pricing practices. It's a subtle but I believe important difference.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 05, 2008, 11:28:55 PM
In the Case of Overseas.. we arent getting damned over that badly..

as Australia no longer Sell their Versions of Personalised Plates out Right any more..

You must pay extra for your Personalised plate for every year that it is registered.. if your registration expires (in any case) and isnt renewed timley enough they turn up to your house and remove the plates from your car

You used to be able to buy Personalised Plates out right overthere and if you have done prior to the law change then you can retain them and pay regular registration costs..

However with the new Regs and Reqs your Cost of Plate Personalisation Vairies with the combination you have decided on... a plate consisting completly of Letters will cost you AUD600/pa Over and Above your Normal Registration Fee..

a Combination of letters and numbers is around AUD300/pa over and above your Normal Reg Fee..

However prior to that their plates were substantially cheaper to buy.. (from memory)

and Much like New Zealand.. Reg Plates are a Small Little Cash Cow for the Individual State Govts..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 06, 2008, 10:17:34 AM
Quote from: Audidude on October 05, 2008, 12:06:47 PM
I hear what you're saying Dennis (and you've said it before), and in principle you have a point - what get's under my skin is the AMOUNT of premium - we already have paid for the privilege of owning the letter/number and I have in my garage the originals (actually in my boot now ;)), and to remanufacture a Euro would cost me $32.50 if I owned one that got damaged. I would be OK with a premium of say 2-3x the price to convert my standard personlaised plate to a Euro,

It is interesting to note that the initial difference between the price of a STD PPlate and a Euro or other 'fashion' plate is $100 or there abouts, so why is it that the upgrade price down the track is 3 x as much?  It's kinda difficult to see their logic.

I do see Anglebox's point too - they are a business and are there to make money.  You could happily start down that track in other industries too, private medical practioners, any number of parts suppliers, etc etc, but the fact that there is no alternative is so grating.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on October 06, 2008, 11:09:47 AM
Got my reg papers for my polo this morn. Included was a add from pplates.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on October 06, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
Quote from: HaNs on October 06, 2008, 11:09:47 AM
Got my reg papers for my polo this morn. Included was a add from pplates.

Do PPlates have a postal address? If so, put their unsolicited advertisement into an old envelope and post it back to them (without a postage stamp attached), and they'll have to pay postage plus a surcharge for it. We can stick it to them, $1 at a time..... :P.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on October 06, 2008, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: fast4motion on October 06, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
Do PPlates have a postal address? If so, put their unsolicited advertisement into an old envelope and post it back to them (without a postage stamp attached), and they'll have to pay postage plus a surcharge for it. We can stick it to them, $1 at a time..... :P.

1A George St
Newmarket
Auckland, NZ
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on October 06, 2008, 08:26:56 PM
I dont want to let this issue slide down into the archives again!  Im happy to do some leg work if we come up with a collective plan of attack?  not so helpful in suggesting what this might be though!  do we have more developments?  beeker are you going to challenge your fine?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 06, 2008, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: chis on October 06, 2008, 08:26:56 PM
I don't want to let this issue slide down into the archives again!  I'm happy to do some leg work if we come up with a collective plan of attack?  not so helpful in suggesting what this might be though!  do we have more developments?  beeker are you going to challenge your fine?

Sorry, but i just don't see how i can. Give me something tangible, and a query letter is possible.
No irrational, its a monopoly stuff please. I was running a non NZ issued plate after all.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 06, 2008, 08:43:06 PM
I'm happy to make say a $50 donation to your cause Beeker.
I know it's not much, but it all adds up. And I seriously hate the fuzz for going down this road.
So all of us who think this is crap need to help Beeker out, and hit them with both barrels.
Agreed, you need a proper legal stand point not just a "this isn't fair" come back, so others may be able to help in regard to this. But we still need to point out our disgust at this irrational approach to a insignificant non issue, which takes up police time when they themselves state they are short staffed!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 06, 2008, 09:16:12 PM
I'm with Chris on this: we can't keep bleating on about this issue, we either try and do something or we put it to rest and accept the status quo.

Personally, and as I posted previously, I think we should join the FOMC and try to get some collective voice.  At the very least we should approach them.  I'm happy to sound them out but I don't want to launch off on my own without some consensus from the rest of you guys.  How about we run a poll and see what everyone wants done?

A) do nothing and suck it up.
B) Approach Classic Car and the FOMC
C) Something else entirely (and involving a track day if possible)   :P .


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 06, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
beeker, i would think that you can question why you were fined? what piece of legislation said specifically that you had to use the "state supplied" rego plates?

from all the discussions we've had so far.. all that was said was you had to use the letter/number combination that was issued by the registrar and that the plates had to be a certain standard (aluminum, reflective, embosed etc)

and what's the precedent that this is suddenly an issue after X amount of years that they didnt care?

if they say that crims are using german plates in their cars to commit crimes, surely they have proof/instances of these happening on record?

2c
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 06, 2008, 11:06:09 PM
I'm with slowmo, query the legislation that you've apparently broken

Craig - I'm all for option B.  But what about we organise a track day where we all run our German plates as a protest... we could invite the media along... to err... raise awareness?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 06, 2008, 11:35:59 PM
The only thing I have found that may be an offence related to the different plate is that you do not have your officially issued plate affixed to the vehicle. Failure to surrender such a plate when asked to do so is up to a $500 fine. Note that if you are required to surrender the plate you may lose your personalised number - I'm not sure about this but it may be a risk.

If you look at the letter here: http://www.vask.org.nz/index.php/topic,10041.0.html
in the first post the wording is:
"the plates you have affixed to your vehicle may be illegal" - note the word "may"

I don't think the legislation has been written to exclude plates that show the correct number - we see plenty of sports cars with the number painted on the front bumper - are they illegal too?

That's why it's important that beeker gets in writing from the police the exact piece of legislation that prohibits the use of these plates - the best way is to get a lawyer to write to them requesting this information.
I am pretty convinced that if tested in court the current legislation may be found to be lacking a way to deal with these plates - but a legal opinion is what is required.

And I repeat that I will donate $200 towards the cost of getting a legal opinion and defending this.

C'mon beeker - take 'em on!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on October 06, 2008, 11:38:29 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted. Below is an exert of legislation:

------------------------------
Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 No 6 (as at 01 August 2008), Public Act

8 Issue of registration plates and certificates of registration

   *

     (1) On receipt of an application for the registration of any motor vehicle under this Part of this Act, the Registrar, or a person authorised in that behalf under subsection (6), if satisfied that the application is in order, shall assign a number or distinguishing mark to be shown on the registration plate or plates to be affixed to the motor vehicle, and shall issue to the applicant a registration plate or plates for the motor vehicle and a certificate of registration of the motor vehicle.
--------------------------
It would seem, in a round about sort of way (as the law is inclined to do), that you should display the officially issued plates on your vehicle. I'm pretty sure we're screwed on this, but would be happy to throw say $100 into a legal fund to find out.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 07, 2008, 06:02:02 AM
From the same Act(http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM90415.html):
Interpretation:
Registration plate means any registration plate issued under the Transport Act 1962 or this Act

5    Motor vehicles to be registered and licensed
      (1) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no person shall use any motor vehicle on any road unless?
            (a) The motor vehicle is registered in accordance with this Part of this Act; and
            (b) The registration plates and a current licence issued for that vehicle are affixed and displayed on the vehicle in the manner prescribed in any notice made under section 14 of this Act; and

      (2) Every person who uses any motor vehicle or permits any motor vehicle to be used in contravention of subsection (1) of this section commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000.

*

14 Form of registration plates and licences
      (1) The Minister may from time to time, by notice in the Gazette,?
            (a) Prescribe the form and colour of registration plates and licences, the size, shape, and character of the letters, numbers, or distinguishing marks to be shown on them, and the means to be adopted to make the plates and licences easily visible:
            (b) Prescribe the number of registration plates to be displayed and the position or positions in which registration plates and licences are to be displayed.


Mm - not looking good.......the definitions listed in the Interpretation section appear to define "the registration plate" to be any plate issued under the transport Act 1962 or this Act. Which may preclude any other plate being used.

However as previously stated what's really needed is a legal opinion because this is a bit like a person posting their symptoms on a web site forum and a bunch of enthusiastic amateurs making a diagnosis and recommending treatment - and I know what I'd say about THAT! ::)

;D

And after all this we are left with the overwhelming impression that considering the state of crime and deficient manpower in the Police force, that this issue is incrediby trivial and a waste of resource, all of which is being done to support a government appointed monopoly which is gouging big time  ::)

After all, it's not like we are displaying the wrong rego numbers!!!!

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on October 07, 2008, 09:02:39 AM
Kind of on topic, there is a car in the workshop this morning with a pplates issued euro plate, the lower 3/4's of the NZ flag on the left of the plate has completely faded to a horrible light brown colour and some of the characters on the plate itself are starting to wear off. I guess their 2 years worth of research didn't quite pay off.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 07, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: Audidude on October 07, 2008, 06:02:02 AM
After all, it's not like we are displaying the wrong rego numbers!!!!

No, but based on that, I could use a sticker, a piece of carboard, and whatever font or handwriting I wanted, to display my 'correct' registration number. The legislation is focused on uniformity, which is completely reasonable.

Also, as this is not a necessary item (ie: actual registration and plates) then you'd be in court complaining that a luxury good costs to much.

The comment by one cop who said they are using german plates to commit crimes is a red herring and should be ignored.

All that being said, I'll pledge $100 to help the cause if someone can explain to me what the argument is.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 07, 2008, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: AngleBox on October 07, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
No, but based on that, I could use a sticker, a piece of carboard, and whatever font or handwriting I wanted, to display my 'correct' registration number. The legislation is focused on uniformity, which is completely reasonable.

Some cars (e.g. E-Type Jags) do just this. Presumably that's illegal?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on October 07, 2008, 10:05:16 AM
It is, and people get busted for it randomly. But typically, as it's front mounted, I assume the copper has to either a) know the car or b) do a u-turn to catch up whereas the Euro plate is easier to see and address?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 07, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: AngleBox on October 07, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
No, but based on that, I could use a sticker, a piece of carboard, and whatever font or handwriting I wanted, to display my 'correct' registration number. The legislation is focused on uniformity, which is completely reasonable.

We are the Borg, Uniformity is primary, resistance is futile
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 07, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
I have a set of NZ Euro plates on my UR q which my wife bought me for my 30th birthday, plus a set of German plates on her 80 Avant. Now due to this nonsense I'm going to have a D sticker made and put that over the NZ sticker on the NZ plate and another made to cover the flag. See what happens. >:(
Beekers pledge fund is at $450 now. Maybe you could email us your bank details Beeker so we can make it happen. But a group decision on a plan of attack should be formed first I think.
I agree with type53 and vote option B. But we still need to help out our friend Beeker. Going to FOMC is a great idea, but wont help him with his immediate predicament of the fine.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 07, 2008, 10:28:42 AM
We Should Apply for the Sole Agency for NZ Plate Manufacturing on behalf of Chris Kleischmitt

:P

he would be busy as a bush pig then!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 07, 2008, 10:45:47 AM
Sadly I think there is likely no defence for this as seen in the exerpts from the "Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 No 6 (as at 01 August 2008)".  The fine could in fact be as high as $500.  I do think Beeker should get the background for the ticket clarified though. 

Quote* Contents
    *  ? Part 1 Registration and licensing of motor vehicles

5
Motor vehicles to be registered and licensed

    *

      (1) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no person shall use any motor vehicle on any road unless?
          o

            (a) The motor vehicle is registered in accordance with this Part of this Act; and
          o

            (b) The registration plates and a current licence issued for that vehicle are affixed and displayed on the vehicle in the manner prescribed in any notice made under section 14 of this Act;[/b] and
          o

            (c) the full amount of the appropriate levies payable under section 214 of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001 in respect of the period for which the licence is issued has been paid...


   ...(2) Every person who uses any motor vehicle or permits any motor vehicle to be used in contravention of subsection (1) of this section commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000.

and further:

Quote
Act by section

    * Contents
    * ? Part 1 Registration and licensing of motor vehicles

17 Unauthorised, deceptive, or obscured registration plates or unauthorised licence

    *

      Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $500 who?

          o

            (a) Uses any motor vehicle on which the appropriate registration plate or plates or licence is not displayed in the manner prescribed by the Minister under section 14 of this Act; or...
          o

            (b) Uses any vehicle on which is displayed any object or design that is intended to cause, or reasonably likely to cause, any person to believe that there is displayed on the vehicle the appropriate registration plate or plates or licence prescribed by the Minister under section 14 of this Act; or...
         

        ... (d) Uses any motor vehicle while any registration plate or licence affixed to the motor vehicle in accordance with this Part of this Act is in any way obscured, or is rendered or allowed to become not easily distinguishable, whether by night or by day; or
          o

            (e) Uses any motor vehicle which has affixed to it any registration plate or licence which is not authorised by or under this Act to be affixed to that vehicle or any other item which in either case is likely to be mistaken for any authorised registration plate or licence; or
...
         
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 07, 2008, 10:50:11 AM
Quote from: GlenT on October 07, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
I have a set of NZ Euro plates on my UR q which my wife bought me for my 30th birthday, plus a set of German plates on her 80 Avant. Now due to this nonsense I'm going to have a D sticker made and put that over the NZ sticker on the NZ plate and another made to cover the flag. See what happens. >:(

I think you'll have to check the GAZETTE (http://www.gazette.govt.nz/) first. 

The Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act also allows for various markings on plates to be prescribed by the Registrar.

Quote* Contents
    *  ? Part 1 Registration and licensing of motor vehicles

14 Form of registration plates and licences

    *

      (1) The Minister may from time to time, by notice in the Gazette,?
          o

            (a) Prescribe the form and colour of registration plates and licences, the size, shape, and character of the letters, numbers, or distinguishing marks to be shown on them, and the means to be adopted to make the plates and licences easily visible:
          o

            (b) Prescribe the number of registration plates to be displayed and the position or positions in which registration plates and licences are to be displayed.

      (2) The Minister may, under subsection (1) of this section, prescribe specific types of or distinguishing marks for registration plates and licences to be issued for use on vehicles operated or regularly used by persons holding specified offices or persons, governments, or organisations having specified status, immunities, or privileges, and specific types of or distinguishing marks for plates and licences to be issued for use on vehicles of specified classes.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on October 07, 2008, 03:54:14 PM
Found some more info here: http://www.lvvta.org.nz/ (http://www.lvvta.org.nz/)

Not very good news I'm afraid...

QuoteDear Old Hoon,

Hope you can help me with this one! What's the deal with stick-on numberplates? By stick-on I mean having the letters and numbers cut out on a sticker machine and just stuck onto to the front bumper. I have seen this done quite a few times, but have heard conflicting stories as to the legality of them. I really want to do it for the front of my car, and am willing to get the sticker made to the same size as a plate (or smaller if I'm allowed) and out of a reflective sticker material. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work you do for us revheads!

Peace, Dale [deleted] - Christchurch

Hi Dale,

Good question - I've seen it myself too - usually on old 50's sports cars like the D-type Jaguars where there's nothing to mount a licence plate on the front.

I checked this out with the LTSA's Transport Registry Centre, and they confirmed that it is an offence to display a plate that is re-manufactured, bent to fit or otherwise made up of stickers, etc. The plate must be displayed as it was originally supplied and there are no exemptions allowed.

No-one could give a good reason why such a hard line is taken so it's up to your imagination - something to do with making sure the speed camera gets you maybe...?

Peace to you too, dude.

Old Hoon
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on October 07, 2008, 04:43:01 PM
so acording to this if nz plates are too big for the rear bumper of the skyline and you have to bend the left and right edges you can get fined??
QuoteI checked this out with the LTSA's Transport Registry Centre, and they confirmed that it is an offence to display a plate that is re-manufactured, bent to fit or otherwise made up of stickers, etc. The plate must be displayed as it was originally supplied and there are no exemptions allowed
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 07, 2008, 04:49:21 PM
Oh Say can you see New Zealand are dweebs..

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 07, 2008, 06:29:57 PM
I must say I am coming more and more to the conclusion that we're pushing it uphill.
Wondering whether it's worth the risk or better to put the 200 towards the 299 for euro upgrade :(

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 07, 2008, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: Audidude on October 07, 2008, 06:29:57 PM
I must say I am coming more and more to the conclusion that we're pushing it uphill.
Wondering whether it's worth the risk or better to put the 200 towards the 299 for euro upgrade :(



Spoke to a coppa friend, he said you're screwed...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 07, 2008, 07:04:46 PM
The law is an ass  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 07, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 07, 2008, 07:04:46 PM
The law is an ass  >:(
And its full of COCKS!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on October 07, 2008, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 07, 2008, 07:04:46 PM
The law is an ass  >:(

Probably what a lot of the people in prison think :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 07, 2008, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: beeker on October 07, 2008, 06:51:43 PM
Spoke to a coppa friend, he said you're screwed...


Pleased that someone gets pleasure out of this pointless stupidity. Must be a very satisfying job :laugh:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Aidan on October 07, 2008, 09:07:01 PM
I think I will still buy them...

Do you reckon PP would do better plates, the only gripe I have is don't want a stupid fern at the end of my plate.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on October 07, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
Quite right, the fern looks 'tacky'
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 09, 2008, 03:25:28 PM
Do you reckon this guys had a ticket yet?

Spotted yesterday on College Hill
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 09, 2008, 03:34:25 PM
Do you know what the Initial thinking was behing putting the stupid southern cross at one end and the fern at the other...

it was to stop people Adding extra letters to their numberplates..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on October 09, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 09, 2008, 03:25:28 PM
Do you reckon this guys had a ticket yet?

Spotted yesterday on College Hill

hahahaha funnily enough yes, he got done for his front one yesterday cos it is a stick on one!  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 86gte on October 09, 2008, 04:02:09 PM
My MX5 i used to have had a sticker plate on the front, the mx5s have bugger all cooling intake space in the front and to have a number plate on them reduces it to next to nothing,  always flew through wofs at vtnz with the sticker, and got pulled up many times and given a few tickets for other things but the cops paid no attention to it at all, and my family car toyota carib has to have the edges of the plate bent and it also seems to be ignored by the police,   i think you have to be pushing your luck or pissing them off to get noticed and done for having a "illegal plate"
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 09, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Ante on October 09, 2008, 03:34:25 PM
Do you know what the Initial thinking was behing putting the stupid southern cross at one end and the fern at the other...

it was to stop people Adding extra letters to their numberplates..

i thought it was to make it look like genuine euro plates, for euro cars, while at the same time making sure it was 'uniquely' kiwi?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on October 09, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: slowmo on October 09, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
i thought it was to make it look like genuine euro plates, for euro cars, while at the same time making sure it was 'uniquely' kiwi?
That was my thought too...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 09, 2008, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on October 09, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
hahahaha funnily enough yes, he got done for his front one yesterday cos it is a stick on one!  :D

Ha what a coincidence!  And literally 30sec later I spotted a certain fat R32 with German plates on Pompallier Tce...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 09, 2008, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 09, 2008, 04:49:54 PM
Ha what a coincidence!  And literally 30sec later I spotted a certain fat R32 with German plates on Pompallier Tce...

My old one?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 09, 2008, 11:48:57 PM
Yep sure was
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 10, 2008, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 09, 2008, 11:48:57 PM
Yep sure was

hahaha

every one has been seeing it lol

im getting texts..

"bro your car is being caned down Queen Street" my reply

"thank god it isnt my car any more then eh!"
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SimonS2 on October 10, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
I think I've seen it in Ponsonby: was thinking that black R32 is being driven by a tosser (charging along in heavy traffic), but naturally I assumed it was not you  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 10, 2008, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: SimonS2 on October 10, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
I think I've seen it in Ponsonby: was thinking that black R32 is being driven by a tosser (charging along in heavy traffic), but naturally I assumed it was not you  ;D
is that a Tui Ad :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Turbo on October 10, 2008, 02:56:33 PM
i like the southern cross and fern versions.

everyone knows you've got a german car, just seems pretentious to remind them with a EU plate. but that's just me.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: choppy16v on October 10, 2008, 04:45:26 PM
bastards got me too! had to re register with new plates .looks rude and lost a part of the cars history . lets lawyer up
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: subverse on October 10, 2008, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: choppy16v on October 10, 2008, 04:45:26 PM
bastards got me too! had to re register with new plates .looks rude and lost a part of the cars history . lets lawyer up


How exactly did they get you and why did you have to re-register?

What law or regulation was given as the reason for de-registration?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on October 10, 2008, 07:04:54 PM
WTF how can they get off derego'ing your car!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 10, 2008, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: choppy16v on October 10, 2008, 04:45:26 PM
bastards got me too! had to re register with new plates .looks rude and lost a part of the cars history . lets lawyer up


thats damned dude..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on October 10, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
I guess the original plates were not included with the car?

Therefore he had to get a new number...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on October 10, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
Here's a thought, take your german plates off and wait 6 months/a year for the heat to die down and put em back on again.
If the fuzz want to enforce this there's NOTHING you will do about it.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 10, 2008, 09:22:21 PM
Quote from: vert1 on October 10, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
Here's a thought, take your german plates off and wait 6 months/a year for the heat to die down and put em back on again.
If the fuzz want to enforce this there's NOTHING you will do about it.

Yep they seem to go through phases where they focus on one thing (think loud exhausts, lowered suspension, overly dark tints), then they move onto the next thing and the previous hot topic is forgotten.  Be the same here I reckon, by Xmas there won't be nearly the same attention to replica plates
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 11, 2008, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: rambo_005 on October 10, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
I guess the original plates were not included with the car?

Therefore he had to get a new number...

0800 Remake.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on October 11, 2008, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: Ante on October 11, 2008, 09:29:43 AM
0800 Remake.

As far as I know they don't reissue a plate or plates in the same number, you have to get a completely new combination.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on October 11, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
That sucks :( Like he said, that car had history and the plate is part of it. Pisses me off. I think I still have the original plates somewhere, should've put those on when I sold it.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on October 11, 2008, 12:25:43 PM
Anton you god damned FAG hater now you've gone and done me and the other perennial favorite Spinner out of a speedo drive.
I have got mad/upset/threated to leave/barked like a dog, on this forum at some of the appalling right wing sentiment that has been shown. All the people I have disagreed the most strongly with I now consider to be good mates and i have seen that the veiws they sometimes have are not the way they live there lives generally, they all seem way nicer and softer to me ;D :) :-*
Some of the people who I have the same political views as i get on the worst with that i have met here as well.   
And all it took was FAG to make Porty leave ??? Man he should do some steping back in vask time, theres a reason were banned in china!

Anton is a good guy, young with a big mouth, admits he can be offensive at times but has proved over the long run that hes sound.
I think it says more about the other party, and ii hope he does rejoin and stop worrying about some kid saying fag because in NZ this is the best Audi forum there is at the moment and he is missing out on too many good people. None of the rest of us care if Anton says fag.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SUPRA on October 11, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
Problem solved - purchase a replica plate for 29 USD

This will realy piss off the LTA business division!!!

http://www.autoplates.com/store/zealand-european-license-plates-p-68599.html
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: AndyGti on October 11, 2008, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: SUPRA on October 11, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
Problem solved - purchase a replica plate for 29 USD

This will realy piss off the LTA business division!!!

http://www.autoplates.com/store/zealand-european-license-plates-p-68599.html
this wont work its the same font as german plates website!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 12, 2008, 07:06:19 AM
Quote from: andyball1 on October 11, 2008, 11:49:37 PM
this wont work its the same font as german plates website!

So all that someone needs to do is give german plates the heads up that their sales are gonna plummet unless they offer an NZ font. They can then choose if the tooling investment is worthwhile.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on October 12, 2008, 07:26:06 AM
Quote from: choppy16v on October 10, 2008, 04:45:26 PM
bastards got me too! had to re register with new plates .looks rude and lost a part of the cars history . lets lawyer up



man thats really heavy handed, where was the friendly warning?
did you get cheeky to the cop or was he just an arse?

I wonder if we could get stickers in the correct font to go over our German plates?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on October 12, 2008, 09:44:59 AM
http://www.sparkytype.com/licenz.php

someone on Eurosport did their homework and found the Font they use on NZ plates. Anyone have a rapport with the German Plates people who could see if they will do this font?? i also think they will need to add the southern cross and fern to really get it good. I am assuming that when the cops pull you over and run your plate number it doesn't tell them what type of plate you own... cause if it did, that would be a state sanctioned monopoly!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: subverse on October 12, 2008, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: beeker on October 12, 2008, 07:06:19 AM
So all that someone needs to do is give german plates the heads up that their sales are gonna plummet unless they offer an NZ font. They can then choose if the tooling investment is worthwhile.

I send a few emails to Chris from German plates earlier in the year, in one I asked him about the pplates stopping them selling the replica NZ plates, here's his reply

QuoteAny reaction by the people from PPlates ? ?
They just sent me an email stating their plates are copyrighted
and i break international copyright laws. I never thought
as here in Europe nobody has a copyright on flags or plates.

My main customer area is the United States, i sold about
5% to NZ. I was always stating that i sell fun plates and
those are not road legal

It's really just not worth it for them to get involved. Even if they did use the NZ font, PPlates would probably just get out the "strong-arm" again. It seems here PPlates have the muscle of the police to rely on, so who knows what they'd do to protect their monopoly. 


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 12, 2008, 04:34:45 PM
Quote from: subverse on October 12, 2008, 03:14:33 PM
I send a few emails to Chris from German plates earlier in the year, in one I asked him about the pplates stopping them selling the replica NZ plates, here's his reply

It's really just not worth it for them to get involved. Even if they did use the NZ font, PPlates would probably just get out the "strong-arm" again. It seems here PPlates have the muscle of the police to rely on, so who knows what they'd do to protect their monopoly. 


Anyone can write a letter and come across strong handed. The reality is it would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars to 'try' and stop him, and then its questionable. Anything legal costs $$, anything internationally legal costs even more $$. They wouldn't take such a risky court case unless he was selling allot more than what he does at present.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on October 12, 2008, 04:49:04 PM
How can PP copyright the NZ flag?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 12, 2008, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: HaNs on October 12, 2008, 04:49:04 PM
How can PP copyright the NZ flag?

Thats what i have been thinking.. they are lying!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on October 12, 2008, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: Ante on October 12, 2008, 05:44:21 PM
Thats what i have been thinking.. they are lying!

But the font may be another story?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on October 12, 2008, 07:11:57 PM
it just need to be just the tiniest bit different, not noticable to the untraiined eye, but different enough to avoid copy right issues.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on October 12, 2008, 07:19:42 PM
Quote from: omad on October 12, 2008, 07:11:57 PM
it just need to be just the tiniest bit different, not noticable to the untraiined eye, but different enough to avoid copy right issues.

But thats where you get into the crap, its not a legit nz plate if its different
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on October 12, 2008, 07:44:34 PM
but if the cops can't tell, where's the problem???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on October 12, 2008, 07:47:44 PM
Quote from: omad on October 12, 2008, 07:44:34 PM
but if the cops can't tell, where's the problem???

Cops know they can get their quota out of you if you have a euro plate that isnt in the system.

They see a euro plate on a car and pull them over and run the plate and see what shows up, $200 in the pocket its a fake one. Easy $
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on October 12, 2008, 07:55:24 PM
but does it actualy say on their system what type of plate a car actually has?? whether it is euro or not?? Might have to do a bt of under handed research...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 12, 2008, 09:19:46 PM
Watching Bathurst this afternoon with a mate of mine who happens to be a traffic sargeant.  He said there was an email that went around recently, sent from higher up encouraging officers to look out for replica plates - so the topic is flavour of the month for them (though he hasn't issued any tickets for it)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 13, 2008, 05:46:50 AM
You people using fake plates are stealing car identities from other people.
I know, because I read it in the paper!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10537147

It is a simple task to check if the rego number matched the cars VIN, and ticketing cars with non-official Euro plates will do nothing to stop vehicle identity theft.

But hey, why let that stop me upping my ticket quota  :police: :police: :police:

Clearly this is the good ol' sledgehammer to kill an ant situation, how unusual for a NZ police strategy  ;D ;D

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on October 13, 2008, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: bigbumper on October 12, 2008, 09:19:46 PM
Watching Bathurst this afternoon with a mate of mine who happens to be a traffic sargeant.  He said there was an email that went around recently, sent from higher up encouraging officers to look out for replica plates - so the topic is flavour of the month for them (though he hasn't issued any tickets for it)

Hopefully when the next big email comes through this one will be forgotten . . . .
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 13, 2008, 09:30:30 AM
Quote from: Audidude on October 13, 2008, 05:46:50 AM
You people using fake plates are stealing car identities from other people.
I know, because I read it in the paper!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10537147

i thought they read the rego label on the windshield rather than the plates?

so people are forging those little labels now?

i thought the reason they had a brcode was so the oarking warden can just scan it?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 13, 2008, 09:31:44 AM
parking wardens

fake polices loll
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SimonS2 on October 13, 2008, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: Audidude on October 13, 2008, 05:46:50 AM
You people using fake plates are stealing car identities from other people.
I know, because I read it in the paper!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10537147

It is a simple task to check if the rego number matched the cars VIN, and ticketing cars with non-official Euro plates will do nothing to stop vehicle identity theft.

But hey, why let that stop me upping my ticket quota  :police: :police: :police:

Clearly this is the good ol' sledgehammer to kill an ant situation, how unusual for a NZ police strategy  ;D ;D

Cheers
Saw that in today's paper and smelt a rat: story ran like crims are ordering 'fake' plates from 'the Internet' to get off paying $2 parking fees. And as usual for Granny Herald, there was a sob story about some poor ol' fulla from Down South who had been set a bill for $400 parking fines. Pathetic 'journalism'
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on October 17, 2008, 12:28:29 PM
New owner of the R32 got snapped today 200 dollar fine..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on October 17, 2008, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: Ante on October 17, 2008, 12:28:29 PM
New owner of the R32 got snapped today 200 dollar fine..

Tell him I'll pay his fine for him, in exchange for his HPA gearset ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pushbutton_auto on October 17, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Ante on October 17, 2008, 12:28:29 PM
New owner of the R32 got snapped today 200 dollar fine..
Thats alright, gay car anyhow ....  :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on October 23, 2008, 05:23:13 PM
Wednesday evening around 1800hrs blue audi A4 just before Fanshawe st...German plates, 10mins later Corner of Khyber and Gilles Black E270....German plates both with the old bill writing a ticket out... :police: :police: :police: :police: :police:

Luckily i was in a works car at the time.......
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on October 23, 2008, 05:35:02 PM
Dunno about anyone else but I'm just pleased they're out there keeping the roads safe for us all!!

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 23, 2008, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: ballin on October 23, 2008, 05:23:13 PM
Wednesday evening around 1800hrs blue audi A4 just before Fanshawe st...German plates, 10mins later Corner of Khyber and Gilles Black E270....German plates both with the old bill writing a ticket out... :police: :police: :police: :police: :police:

Luckily i was in a works car at the time.......

A mate of mine got pulled over earlier in the week here in Napier.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on October 23, 2008, 06:18:04 PM
cock and balls
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 23, 2008, 07:00:21 PM
The pigs will get bored with this soon and move on to a more pressing and rewarding revenue gathering gimmick.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on October 23, 2008, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: GlenT on October 23, 2008, 07:00:21 PM
The pigs will get bored with this soon and move on to a more pressing and rewarding revenue gathering gimmick.
You in a mood again glen ;D ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on October 23, 2008, 09:11:24 PM
The Audi had a set of 19's on slammed and some one wearing a yankees cap sideways and the Merc has 20" chromes ...... does this send the alarm bells ringng?  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 24, 2008, 08:23:56 AM
Quote from: BB on October 23, 2008, 07:22:33 PM
You in a mood again glen ;D ;D
Haha, you just made me giggle, so no. :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on October 24, 2008, 12:55:59 PM
Doesn't solve our problem, but a little bit of trivia for a Friday....

http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/licplate-fonts-aust.html (http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/licplate-fonts-aust.html)

http://www.dna.nl/new_zealand.htm (http://www.dna.nl/new_zealand.htm)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on October 28, 2008, 10:26:07 AM
All this makes me glad my car came with an ugly NZ europlate ::) :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: mjh on October 30, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
HI, I received a fine from the Police in the mail today for "using Unauthorised Registration Plates" for $200.  This is in relation to being pulled up for having a set of German Plates on my Mk5 Golf GTI.  I have researched the various Acts as well as sending questions to LTSA/NZTA and the Gazette at Paliment.  Below is the most recent repsonse from NZTA which outlines their interpretation of the law as it stands.

Good afternoon Matthew

The form of registration plates is prescribed in the Transport (Vehicle Registration and Licensing Notice) 1995.  The Notice requires that registration plates be embossed, and coloured aluminium on a black background (this is the old black and silver registration plates); or embossed, and coloured black against a reflective background consisting of white retro-reflective sheeting with the base material being aluminium.

Personalised plates may have black, red or blue distinguishing marks.  Subsidiary characters, messages, symbols or slogans approved by the Registrar may be of any colour. 

Also to consider is that while the Notice deals with the form of registration plates it does not deal with the issuing of a registration plates to a vehicle.  In that respect section 8 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 requires that the Registrar or his delegate provide registration plates to an applicant (for registration) upon the applicant meeting certain requirements.  Because the power to issue registration plates is given only to the Registrar or his delegate, the interpretation given to this clause is that only plates issued by the Registrar or his delegate are authorised under law. 

Further, section 5 requires that no motor vehicle shall be used on the road unless the registration plates issued for that vehicle are affixed and displayed as prescribed under s14. The registration plates ?issued for that vehicle? are interpreted as those issued by the Registrar or his delegate under section 8. 

We are aware that some websites are marketing imitation New Zealand personalised plates.  However any plates purchased from these websites cannot be used legally New Zealand roads.
   
I hope this answers your inquiry.

Regards

Andrea
__________________________________________________________

Andrea Heazlewood
Senior Business Adviser, Motor Vehicle Registration
DDI 64 6 953 6397
M 021 441 766
E [email protected]

Unfortunately I think I will need to pay the fine  >:( >:( >:(

The guts seems to be that only the plates actually issued to you can be used, and no copies etc.

I can't beleiev that the Police have so much spare time to concentrate on these very serious crimes (German Plates) and don't seem to have enough time to investigate on the less serious crimes such as violent crimes and thefts, or more importantly clean up the crime in Sth Akl.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 02:31:44 PM
Oh crap. I really don't need a $200 fine.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on October 30, 2008, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 02:31:44 PM
Oh crap. I really don't need a $200 fine.

At least yours look like NZ plates ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 02:42:04 PM
True!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: mjh on October 30, 2008, 02:47:15 PM
Just to clarify - the plates on my Golf were the NZ replica version with fern etc, so to most people (except one cop) look exactly like the NZ versions.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 02:51:26 PM
Bugger. So...

A) Risk a $200 fine
B) Put the NZ shaped plates back on that look crap
C) Spend $600 on a PPlate

Option A for now I think.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 30, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
Also in regards to MJH's ticket. The Police even took the time to head down to the local VAG dealer (where he purchased his Mk5 GTI) to check if the car was issued with the plates.

Talk about time on there hands . . .

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 03:01:23 PM
FFS what a waste of time!
They should be catching tailgaters, drunk drivers, bloody criminals!

It's just easy money for them.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Turbo on October 30, 2008, 03:02:30 PM
has anyone spoken to germanplates about adopting the NZ typeface?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on October 30, 2008, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: Turbo on October 30, 2008, 03:02:30 PM
has anyone spoken to germanplates about adopting the NZ typeface?

Ohhhh if the cops catch wind of this thread... :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 03:14:31 PM
Yeah they seem to have lots of free time for web browsing :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on October 30, 2008, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on October 30, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
Also in regards to MJH's ticket. The Police even took the time to head down to the local VAG dealer (where he purchased his Mk5 GTI) to check if the car was issued with the plates.

Talk about time on there hands . . .



Say you bought it privately.......

They can take a trip to the previous owners for all i care!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 30, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
They can visit the dealer where I bought my car if they like:

DM Keith, Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on October 30, 2008, 03:52:53 PM
urgh, DM Keith  aka DM Thief :-\ haha
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on October 30, 2008, 04:05:32 PM
I am sure these cops are attracted to the "D" on the plates rather than the font, how about fitting a silver fern on to German plates, i suggest no one would bother
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GTI's on October 30, 2008, 04:06:56 PM
Or make a clear cover for the whole plate with the hologram of authenticity  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on October 30, 2008, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: qta4 on October 30, 2008, 04:05:32 PM
I am sure these cops are attracted to the "D" on the plates rather than the font, how about fitting a silver fern on to German plates, i suggest no one would bother
But Matthews plates were NZ replica versions with the fern.
The pigs are attracted to money full stop.
But therein lies an argument.
The pigs can only pull you over if you have clearly broken a law, or they have reasonable suspicion you are breaking the law.
Having a plate that looks the same as a NZ one isn't clearly breaking the law, and how can PC Pig tell from his pig wagon that your plate is a copy, ie: enough reasonable suspicion to go to the trouble to pull you over?
Just to prove yet again the police are just revenue gatherers for the government, my niece's best friend was raped on the weekend in Alexandra. She's only FIFTEEN! Some piece of low life scum made his way into the house and she woke up with him lying on top of her.
And do you think the pigs are putting the same resources into rounding up this scum as they are into ticketing Joe Schmo for having German plates.... NO!
They say they would love nothing more than to have the man power to have this filth in jail tonight but they don't, yet the lack beard powers that be have the gall and time to send an email around the country telling them to crack down on replica plates.
crap! I must be out of touch. I was under the impression rape was at least a tad more serious than German plates on your car. Yet no email circulating about cracking down on REAL crime!!!!!
My contempt for the police has grown over the last 24 months over various accounts, but after hearing about my niece's friend and what she and her family are going through, I have a deep hatred for them now for the way they they "prioritise" action/man power or lack of it.
It makes me sick to hear of this, yet more of us get tickets for crap about pitiful little insignificant plates.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on October 30, 2008, 06:55:35 PM
Sadly any GOOD police will be finding it increasingly hard to stick in the job making it worse and worse :P
Sorry to hear about your niece glen. :-[
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on October 30, 2008, 06:56:55 PM
I actually agree with you Glen, the police only supply a superficial service to NZ public,whereas they are all over motorists.

This German plate scenario appears to be a local thing.
I am sure the police or highway patrol would never pull me up because my plates were not genuine,in the country the police seem to have different priorities.

However,if my 15 year old niece was raped,somebody would probably have a serious accident and end up down an offal hole
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on October 31, 2008, 09:01:53 AM
Quote from: qta4 on October 30, 2008, 06:56:55 PM
I actually agree with you Glen, the police only supply a superficial service to NZ public,whereas they are all over motorists.

This German plate scenario appears to be a local thing.
I am sure the police or highway patrol would never pull me up because my plates were not genuine,in the country the police seem to have different priorities.

However,if my 15 year old niece was raped,somebody would probably have a serious accident and end up down an offal hole
I agree - but in saying that, country Police are now bewing told to toe the line as well...look at that poor bugger who was busted for drink driving when he was the only cop in town and went to a call out on his night off, simply because he wanted to do the right thing!

And yes...if someone raped a little girl in my house, I'd be going to jail for what I'd do to the scumbag that did it...if they ever found the evidence to link me back to the torture/dismemberment/disposal of the body...thanks CSI...bleach works wonders!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on October 31, 2008, 09:05:52 AM
just puts a whole new perspective on things doesnt it really.
i think most human beings would end up in jail if something like that happened to their closest.

Its kinda hard to put that arguement to the cops though isnt it when you are sat at the side of the road....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on October 31, 2008, 09:21:23 AM
Ummm it's Glen's niece's best friend...

But that's shocking too.  That sickens me that things like that happen today.  10 years ago we didnt' have any qualms about leaving the front door unlocked when we went to bed at night and now we're debating the merits of putting more locks on the windows and how to secure the rest of the house while we sleep at night.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 31, 2008, 09:32:26 AM
A mate took his car to GI for a warrant yesterday.  About a Km from the testing station (Line Road Testing station - really good and practical independant guys that I thoroughly recommend) a cop pulled in behind him.  He was there all the way to the station turn-off and didn't pull my mate over.  His rego is a proper personalised one which was 'euro-ised' by GR8PL8s.com

Which got me thinking: either he was oblivious or the blitz is potentially on normal rego combinations made into Euro-plates and maybe they aren't bothering with obvious personalised plates in that format.

So: Has anyone with a personalised rego been pulled over as yet? Or have you guys that have been fined/warned had normal registrations on GermanPlates.com plates?


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: dubstar on October 31, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
One of the worst things that the government has done is to combine the traffic police and police.  It has caused a huge amount of animosity to the police and while I can't say for certain that if they had remain separated the police would be better equipped to deal with real crime, but they certainly couldn't be worse then the current state of affairs
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on October 31, 2008, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: typ53 on October 31, 2008, 09:32:26 AM
Which got me thinking: either he was oblivious or the blitz is potentially on normal rego combinations made into Euro-plates and maybe they aren't bothering with obvious personalised plates in that format.

So: Has anyone with a personalised rego been pulled over as yet? Or have you guys that have been fined/warned had normal registrations on GermanPlates.com plates?

yes.
although having said that it was for stickers on the plates that i got done for on the outer edges on a genuine NZ Personalised PLate.
all our plates are bought through personalised plates but we doctored the fern and the euro badges at either end
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Trofeo on October 31, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
got pulled by a mufti cop the other day and made to remove my german plates. He ranted on about being part of the team cracking down on the plates and said it may incur a fine. Sure enough the next day the $200 fine arrived in my mailbox. i'm going to dispute it so will let you know how i get on.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on October 31, 2008, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: TrofeoRacer on October 31, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
got pulled by a mufti cop the other day and made to remove my german plates. He ranted on about being part of the team cracking down on the plates and said it may incur a fine. Sure enough the next day the $200 fine arrived in my mailbox. i'm going to dispute it so will let you know how i get on.

what kind of plate was it?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 31, 2008, 10:13:32 AM
These are all around Auckland so far aren't they?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 31, 2008, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on October 31, 2008, 10:13:32 AM
These are all around Auckland so far aren't they?

Nope, happened to MJH in Napier.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 31, 2008, 10:56:38 AM
Out of interest, has anyone read or written into any of the NZ magazines in regards to this plate debacle?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on October 31, 2008, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on October 31, 2008, 10:13:32 AM
These are all around Auckland so far aren't they?

I work at a Highways(traffic cop) depot in Auckland and there is a mufti department here too, i park everyday in the same car park as coppers and not even had a "hey mate you know those are illegal etc etc "

So you must be provoking them in some discreet way! i.e 20"chromes/baseball cap sideways....  ;) :D ;D

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on October 31, 2008, 11:13:04 AM
Quote from: TrofeoRacer on October 31, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
got pulled by a mufti cop the other day and made to remove my german plates. He ranted on about being part of the team cracking down on the plates and said it may incur a fine. Sure enough the next day the $200 fine arrived in my mailbox. i'm going to dispute it so will let you know how i get on.

They have a team that is cracking down on them? Holy crap that is pathetic. Aren't these guys employed by us, the tax paying public, to work for us and protect us???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 31, 2008, 12:47:45 PM
they are protecting us from cheap german plate knockoffs?  ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: omad on October 31, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
Quote from: dubstar on October 31, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
One of the worst things that the government has done is to combine the traffic police and police.  It has caused a huge amount of animosity to the police and while I can't say for certain that if they had remain separated the police would be better equipped to deal with real crime, but they certainly couldn't be worse then the current state of affairs

There is also alot of animosity between "real" police and the "snakes", i.e. snakes are term used by the police to describe someone who does traffic and nothing else, the real police hate the snakes just as much as you and i, cause of the perception they give the rest of the force and that they are usually useless and only good for one thing, giving tickets... Snakes very rarely do "real" police work and if something out of the ordinary happens, i.e. the car they pull over is full of drugs, they usually have to call out a "real" cop to deal with it.

Snakes, hated by all...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on October 31, 2008, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: omad on October 31, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
There is also alot of animosity between "real" police and the "snakes", i.e. snakes are term used by the police to describe someone who does traffic and nothing else, the real police hate the snakes just as much as you and i, cause of the perception they give the rest of the force and that they are usually useless and only good for one thing, giving tickets... Snakes very rarely do "real" police work and if something out of the ordinary happens, i.e. the car they pull over is full of drugs, they usually have to call out a "real" cop to deal with it.

Snakes, hated by all...

Last year one winters night I went for a ride along with the Police. Came back to the station for something to eat. Sat down in the smoko room, all the real cops and me sat together (about 8 of us), the Highway Patrol chap sat all by himself in the corner looking over at us.

You might be right about them not being liked by normal cops.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on October 31, 2008, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: typ53 on October 31, 2008, 09:32:26 AM
A mate took his car to GI for a warrant yesterday.  About a Km from the testing station (Line Road Testing station - really good and practical independant guys that I thoroughly recommend) a cop pulled in behind him.  He was there all the way to the station turn-off and didn't pull my mate over.  His rego is a proper personalised one which was 'euro-ised' by GR8PL8s.com

Which got me thinking: either he was oblivious or the blitz is potentially on normal rego combinations made into Euro-plates and maybe they aren't bothering with obvious personalised plates in that format.

So: Has anyone with a personalised rego been pulled over as yet? Or have you guys that have been fined/warned had normal registrations on GermanPlates.com plates?


This raises a question I have been wondering...

Has anyone failed a WOF with German Plates  ???

Especially recently..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on October 31, 2008, 02:27:12 PM
you got to remember that they are asked to do a job that we all hate to be part of (i.e being ticketed)

and all the reasons they use to ticket us are laid down by law/order by the higher ups.

it's like how we all hate the taxman/parking warden for doing their jobs.

so it's the higher ups we should be moaning about, not the fool who is asked to carry out the dirty work.

just a different perspective as well.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on October 31, 2008, 05:33:55 PM

Has anyone failed a WOF with German Plates  ???

Especially recently..
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Just had mine done, nothing was said- but my guy is cool! Maybe I just looked and drove the car like it was stolen? :-\ .... damn racial profiling... ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on October 31, 2008, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: Poonmobile on October 31, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Has anyone failed a WOF with German Plates  ???

Especially recently..


Just had mine done, nothing was said- but my guy is cool! Maybe I just looked and drove the car like it was stolen? :-\ .... damn racial profiling... ;)

had them for 4 years, never failed a WOF
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 31, 2008, 06:10:32 PM
Mine's passed two with them on. One at VTNZ and one at Powerhaus.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on October 31, 2008, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: beeker on October 31, 2008, 05:39:54 PM
had them for 4 years, never failed a WOF

Same as me with 2 cars, so all a bit suspect if you can pass a WOF  ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GTI's on October 31, 2008, 06:21:01 PM
I'm just going to get a dumb NZ europlate to avoid the Heat :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bsting on October 31, 2008, 06:23:13 PM
Same here. Even when I switched to black plates. Zero issues at checkpoints and WOF time. Both types are plain euro plates with no flag.

Amazing really that the Police now have the time to prop up and protect a state mandated plate maker.

A criminal will not wait two weeks for delivery of a fake rego plate that does not exist.
A criminal will not have a known audit trail of an offshore made plate sent to a nz address (credit card/courier company/customs)
A criminal will just drive around at 3am and steal a plate from a car matching their own in year, make and color.

If someone else can make a plate (to a standard) I can't see an issue with it. It's a plate of my rego... Can you read it?
Let the market rip I say.

Justice comes knowing that pplates have lost $$$ in lost sales for their inferior overpriced product.
And I hope you guys will not give them the satisfaction of buying it. Even as a gift to a loved one.

Can't see a victim here, so therefore no crime. Only the Police once again targeting the wrong people.




Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on October 31, 2008, 06:35:07 PM
There's an easy way to stick it to P/Plates with grossly overpriced plates,
STOP buying them!
I would have no issue buying the real thing if the price was reasonable but its not so there........
All of this will go away in time, just like every other thing the Police concentrate on. After all there's no crime in NZ  ??? so there's nothing for the Police to do but crack down on illegal plates.  :'(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on October 31, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
My thoughts are in line with bsting & vert

It seems all a bit senseless, & in line with picking on exhausts, tinted windows over the years & other random things that go over time.

But I may just remove mine, as I just dont want the hassle if pulled over, as I am probably going to speak my mind.. & get some other random fine.

I am already going to battle over a ridiculous bus lane fine, where I had to move into the last 5 meters to go through a green arrow at an intersection.. don't want another one on my hands  ::)

So I guess they win with this approach  >:(

I would have no issue buying them if they were reasonably priced, & did not have those  flags & ferns
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: mjh on October 31, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
When I was pulled over it was at a vehicle check where they had blocked both sides of a surburban street on the way to work.  After showing my license I was driving away when one cop yelled out to stop and questioned me about the plates.  He said they were illegal and then inferred that the car could be stolen (2005 VW Golf GTI that I purchased new for the wife!!).  He called "base" to query if the car was actually ever registered and/or stolen (I was wearing a suit so didn't look like your standard crim I thought!).

He then took the rego labels out as he thought they may be forged as well and compared them to his cop car.  He then went on about the plates for a while - I said my last car had a sticker for the front plate (Porsche 996 Turbo) and I was never hasseled and got warrants.  He explained that WOF's only deal with safety matters, and a plate is not deemed a safety matter.

The next day he knocked on my door at home whilst I was at work and grilled the wife over the plates and told her I would be fined.  He also went to the local VW dealer and spent quite a bit of time there investigating their records.

I ask you this - Is this effective use of Police time with the crime issues we have today.  The car concerned is a stock standard Mk5 GTI.  Not really a car used in many crimes, however I guess I could be targeted as soemone who will at least pay a fine, rather than all the no hopers in life that have more unpaid fines than brain cells!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on October 31, 2008, 08:59:08 PM
Quote from: mjh on October 31, 2008, 08:52:39 PM

I ask you this - Is this effective use of Police time with the crime issues we have today.  The car concerned is a stock standard Mk5 GTI.  Not really a car used in many crimes, however I guess I could be targeted as soemone who will at least pay a fine, rather than all the no hopers in life that have more unpaid fines than brain cells!!


Exactly... very well said....  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on October 31, 2008, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: X 130R on October 31, 2008, 02:25:00 PM
This raises a question I have been wondering...

Has anyone failed a WOF with German Plates  ???

Especially recently..

Just got my WOF in the Roughy yesterday.  Passed no worries.  Not even a passing mention.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on October 31, 2008, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: mjh on October 31, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
When I was pulled over it was at a vehicle check where they had blocked both sides of a surburban street on the way to work.  After showing my license I was driving away when one cop yelled out to stop and questioned me about the plates.  He said they were illegal and then inferred that the car could be stolen (2005 VW Golf GTI that I purchased new for the wife!!).  He called "base" to query if the car was actually ever registered and/or stolen (I was wearing a suit so didn't look like your standard crim I thought!).

He then took the rego labels out as he thought they may be forged as well and compared them to his cop car.  He then went on about the plates for a while - I said my last car had a sticker for the front plate (Porsche 996 Turbo) and I was never hasseled and got warrants.  He explained that WOF's only deal with safety matters, and a plate is not deemed a safety matter.

The next day he knocked on my door at home whilst I was at work and grilled the wife over the plates and told her I would be fined.  He also went to the local VW dealer and spent quite a bit of time there investigating their records.

I ask you this - Is this effective use of Police time with the crime issues we have today.  The car concerned is a stock standard Mk5 GTI.  Not really a car used in many crimes, however I guess I could be targeted as soemone who will at least pay a fine, rather than all the no hopers in life that have more unpaid fines than brain cells!!


Madness !!!!  :o

PS: Would love to see a pic of your VL Walkinshaw, I used to love those !!.. & that era of Aussie touring cars
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 01, 2008, 02:53:42 PM
OOO, I just looked at the PPlates site - they've put the prices up! $899 for a Euro style PPlate now!

I need to get onto the ComCom as they have a duty to reply to me and they haven't.

We all need to complain and maybe we'll get somewhere.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on November 01, 2008, 03:39:51 PM
http://www.comcom.govt.nz/Inquiries/contactus.aspx

Everyone who has posted in this thread please fill this out

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/Inquiries/contactus.aspx
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 01, 2008, 03:40:57 PM
Funny that...I just emailed off a complaint 5 mins ago
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 01, 2008, 04:52:58 PM
Just resubmitted mine. It's been 6 weeks and they promise a response within 2 months :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on November 01, 2008, 05:41:09 PM
Great idea Hans.
I just sent a very concise letter to them.
Will let you know what their reply is.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 01, 2008, 05:43:01 PM
Don't forget the ComCom are obliged to respond to all complaints so we need to keep on top of them and make sure it's at least investigated.

What about the papers - worth a letter do you think?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on November 01, 2008, 05:50:53 PM
Yes, publicly humiliate the pigs and show them for what they are, money grabbing cock spanners.
But the more of us who write to the comcom the better.
It's the best place to start.
How long ago did you write to them Rob? They say it can take up to three months to reply, they must be busy.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on November 01, 2008, 08:18:41 PM
Telephone our Contact Centre during office hours on 0800 94 3600


Im going to ring them monday

So what does the plate cost to make? and they are selling them for $899 now? I want a slice of that action!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 02, 2008, 08:52:23 AM
The plate costs less than $40 to make.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on November 02, 2008, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 02, 2008, 08:52:23 AM
The plate costs less than $40 to make.


I doubt its even that much...

$899.00 what a joke
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 02, 2008, 09:03:22 AM
Or $399 to replace your existing normal plate with a Euro version.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on November 02, 2008, 09:30:57 AM
Yet if you are ordering a new personalised plate the premium for euro format over std is $100.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 03, 2008, 10:11:35 AM
Just had a call from the ComCom.
They said that they don't think it's something they would investigate and I should either contact the police about what they are doing, or complain to the LTSA.

Not much of a response :(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 03, 2008, 10:30:12 AM
They are NOT prepared to investigate a Monopoly? Or are the too frightened to take on the Govt?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on November 03, 2008, 11:47:35 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 03, 2008, 10:11:35 AM
Just had a call from the ComCom.
They said that they don't think it's something they would investigate and I should either contact the police about what they are doing, or complain to the LTSA.

Not much of a response :(

Complain to the police or ltsa about a government sanctioned monopoly? I don't think the police or ltsa would be interested, they would probably tell you to contact the comcom  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on November 03, 2008, 01:18:21 PM
Who's the incoming Transport Minister? Maybe write to him. It's their legislation that has mandated the monopoly.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 03, 2008, 01:19:42 PM
Is it a coincidence that they've started a crackdown and put up prices by $200 at the same time?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on November 03, 2008, 02:00:46 PM
i'm just going to move back to europe..  ;D :D :laugh:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 03, 2008, 02:02:16 PM
Yeah that would be cheaper! :)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on November 03, 2008, 02:09:21 PM
exactly  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on November 03, 2008, 05:06:43 PM
Rang Plates earlier because I was in the mood to grill someone. $399 to upgrade to a europlate keeping your standard rego. She said you can't get just a plain white plate because they are only allowed to issue what the government allows them to.
And when I asked about the ridiculous pricing, stating it costs less then $40 to make and how they have a 400%ish mark up all she said was 'yep'.

A holes
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 03, 2008, 07:50:46 PM
Someone should write an email to Allan Dick at Driver Magazine:

http://www.drivermagazine.co.nz/30816/index.html
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on November 04, 2008, 08:02:30 PM
Now I'm not trying to rag on anyone here........ but I'm so glad I don't give a crap what my number plate looks like. :)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on November 04, 2008, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from: BB on November 04, 2008, 08:02:30 PM
Now I'm not trying to rag on anyone here........ but I'm so glad I don't give a s**t what my number plate looks like. :)

Or your concrete  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on November 04, 2008, 09:20:16 PM
My concrete is good, Ill take a photo and show you ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Rocketscott on November 05, 2008, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: BB on November 04, 2008, 08:02:30 PM
Now I'm not trying to rag on anyone here........ but I'm so glad I don't give a s**t what my number plate looks like. :)
;D same
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: xring on November 05, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
Agreed ....... a personalised plate is probably the last thing I would spend my money on. But, each to there own ......
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on November 05, 2008, 01:44:41 PM
i think the point has now gone beyond anything to do with caring/not caring about what the plate looks like  :-\
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 05, 2008, 02:18:40 PM
I don't know...at the end of the day, a plate is a plate to me and i'd be quite happy not havinga Euro plate...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 05, 2008, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: chis on November 05, 2008, 01:44:41 PM
i think the point has now gone beyond anything to do with caring/not caring about what the plate looks like  :-\

Exactly.

Quote from: BB on November 04, 2008, 08:02:30 PM
Now I'm not trying to rag on anyone here........ but I'm so glad I don't give a s**t what my number plate looks like. :)

Quote from: jasoncordelle on November 05, 2008, 02:18:40 PM
I don't know...at the end of the day, a plate is a plate to me and i'd be quite happy not havinga Euro plate...

If thats the case why bother commenting in this topic?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on November 05, 2008, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: xring on November 05, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
Agreed ....... a personalised plate is probably the last thing I would spend my money on. But, each to there own ......

when you say personalised plate do you mean something like: "1D10T" or "HEYLOL" or "R8MYKA" or "NVMYKA" ?

personally, given the current look of a standard plate, i do want to have a german plate made plate instead. it will still carry my standard rego letter/number combo, but it will look cooler.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on November 05, 2008, 02:44:44 PM
I agree. Personally I despise most personalised plates (largely because I hate the pplate company, their exhorbitant prices, and their pathetic radio ads).
But I would purchase a Euro style plate, in my standard letter/number combo, if it was a reasonable price ($100 max).
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 05, 2008, 03:19:55 PM
I agree with fast4motion
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on November 05, 2008, 06:42:17 PM
Sorry :-[
I know they are a look and fit the bumper correctly. It does suck balls that the coppers are having a wank about them when they don't have too, at all.
I guess if your gona get tickets for them tho you should just change them and try to not care, maybe.......
hope those comments are a bit more helpful.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on November 05, 2008, 09:41:36 PM
This picture really wouldn't work with a big NZ plate. Thats why I got mine.
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg161.imageshack.us%2Fimg161%2F3694%2Fimg9072ef9.th.jpg&hash=d89f499566182051cae19074b4737ae9af0c2834) (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img9072ef9.jpg)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 06, 2008, 02:59:29 PM
Hey, great photo
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on November 06, 2008, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on November 05, 2008, 09:41:36 PM
This picture really wouldn't work with a big NZ plate. Thats why I got mine.
Very nice pic.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 10, 2008, 09:04:40 AM
I had a look at my "proper" NZ plates this weekend and they don't have holograms either!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 10, 2008, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 10, 2008, 09:04:40 AM
I had a look at my "proper" NZ plates this weekend and they don't have holograms either!
My Golf plates did, but the ones on both the RAV and the Mazda don't.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 10, 2008, 08:20:18 PM
Left my car at the ferry as i headed into the city this morning got back and had a ticket that states "non legal number plate" from NSCC... $200 fine

Boy someone in NSCC is going to get unloaded on tomorrow!!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 10, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: ballin on November 10, 2008, 08:20:18 PM
Left my car at the ferry as i headed into the city this morning got back and had a ticket that states "non legal number plate" from NSCC... $200 fine

Boy someone in NSCC is going to get unloaded on tomorrow!!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

thats 2 in 2 days   :-[
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Hoff on November 10, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
did you get the other colin?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 10, 2008, 08:56:42 PM
What's the law on cutting the plates? If I chop a bit off the top and bottom of my "proper" plates they'll fit in my Euro holders and I won't have to use screws to fasten them on. :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 10, 2008, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Turbed_85_gti on November 10, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
did you get the other colin?
driving home from jambo  8)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on November 10, 2008, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 10, 2008, 08:56:42 PM
What's the law on cutting the plates? If I chop a bit off the top and bottom of my "proper" plates they'll fit in my Euro holders and I won't have to use screws to fasten them on. :P

Technically its illegal
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 11, 2008, 07:06:17 AM
Quote from: bigbumper on November 10, 2008, 11:29:06 PM
Technically its illegal

I suspected as much - $200 fine? :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 11, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 11, 2008, 07:06:17 AM
I suspected as much - $200 fine? :D
Depends on whether the holder would cover up the cuts...it's only illegal if they notice.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Spinner on November 11, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
i dont see what the prob is.....

buy the proper plate from personalised plates...if you cant afford that then stick with ya standard plate...if thats not good enough for you then just break the law...simple..... just remember....

Quote from: anon..:) on May 23, 2007, 07:51:59 AM
My answers:

a) Dont live outside of your means

b) criminals are second rate citizens imo so I dont care.

;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on November 11, 2008, 09:39:30 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 10, 2008, 08:56:42 PM
What's the law on cutting the plates? If I chop a bit off the top and bottom of my "proper" plates they'll fit in my Euro holders and I won't have to use screws to fasten them on. :P

Hah.  Just bending plates to fit in the piddly little jap recesses is illegal.  Go figure.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: mjh on November 11, 2008, 09:54:25 AM
Having done some research on the matter after getting my fine I can confirm (in my opinion after reading the legislation) that the following is illegal;

1/  Cutting or any any way modifying the plates in any manner.  From the legislation I believe that if someone backs into you and bends the plate it is technically illegal as it is modified from it's original condition as it was issued to you.
2/  Placing any sticker on the plate of any sort.  This means that all the BMW plates that have the dealers sticker under the logo are in fact technically illegal, or those people that insert dashes or hyphens etc.
3/  Having anything other than the actual plate you were issued in the exact condition it was issued in on your car is illegal (covers above points).

If you were to be pedantic there are literally thousands of people out there breaking the law.  All the Jap imports that have the plates bent are breaking the law, anyone with a slightly damaged plate is breaking the law and of course people that have stickers or replica plates are breaking the law.  The law is an ass.

With Harry Dynhoven now unemployable/unemployed a new minister may look upon this issue with some commen sense!!

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 11, 2008, 10:03:47 AM
Quote from: mjh on November 11, 2008, 09:54:25 AM
With Harry Dynhoven now unemployable/unemployed a new minister may look upon this issue with some commen sense!!

Common sense from an MP? You think?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 11, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
Hairy Dunyhoven was one of those parasites that tried to make radar detectors illegal too, but found it just couldnt work.

Tosser
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 11, 2008, 11:37:23 AM
The strange thing about hairy was he was supposedly a car enthusiast too, so his total lack of understanding of the issues is quite suprising.
I might add, he was my MP altho I never voted for him but in the 15 years he was in parliament he achieved little or nothing for motorists or the NP area despite is slogan published weekly in the paper as 'the working MP'
There is only a 342 margin in the votes tho and he is hoping to get back in on the specials
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 11, 2008, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: qta4 on November 11, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
Hairy Dunyhoven was one of those parasites that tried to make radar detectors illegal too, but found it just couldnt work.

Tosser
Harry Dunghoven was a twat of the highest order.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on November 11, 2008, 12:11:57 PM
He has one acceptable attribute.....he drives a water-cooled Beetle.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 11, 2008, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Pristle on November 11, 2008, 12:11:57 PM
He has one acceptable attribute.....he drives a water-cooled Beetle.

Id question that as an attribute.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 11, 2008, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on November 11, 2008, 12:22:19 PM
Id question that as an attribute.

Ha ha.

I'd call it an affliction.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: wilco on November 11, 2008, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: brian245 on November 11, 2008, 11:37:23 AM
The strange thing about hairy was he was supposedly a car enthusiast too, so his total lack of understanding of the issues is quite suprising.
I might add, he was my MP altho I never voted for him but in the 15 years he was in parliament he achieved little or nothing for motorists or the NP area despite is slogan published weekly in the paper as 'the working MP'
There is only a 342 margin in the votes tho and he is hoping to get back in on the specials

Yeah?  Open your eyes buddy, what about the Waitara bypass, the smooth transition into town from the north and the current project bypassing Bell Block?  Are you old enough to remember Mt Messenger when it was single lane? Most of State 3 from Mokau into NP has had huge works in the last 20 years (1987 was Harrys first year in remember) not to mention the Awakino gorge.  Never assume that his interests were limited to the electoral boundaries of NP. A Naki guy through and through.  So am I, even though I haven't lived there since 1979.

As for the other bashers, well why do people need radar detectors?  Planning to break the law?  Get onto a track you fools.
My only gripe with Labours transport actions was to increase the RUC for light vehicles this year.  You guys really think the "lack of progress" widely touted is one guys call?  FFS.



Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 11, 2008, 02:25:48 PM
I'm afraid that Harry had little impetus on the roading which would have happened anyway and the reason it has happened is because of the pressure applied from the trucking industry.
As far as the smooth run into town......try it a peak times and see how good it is
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: wilco on November 11, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Thats BS to a degree, sure the trucking industry has a lot of power and Friedlander is a voice from within including his history in NP, but the action has also been local - ever heard of lobbying the fund? It's been about getting the infrastructure in place to promote growth rather than simply satisfying the truckers.
And yes I work in the industry and understand what its like to drive a loaded transporter on a poor network.

Noel - the radar detector comment wasn't aimed at you as I know you're on the track as much as you can.  More a comment on those that see them as a right.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 11, 2008, 02:44:40 PM
Thats ok, i have never owned a radar detector anyway, i was just saying that Harry promoted the detectors being banned,and couldnt get any traction with the regs.
I think it was just him wanting to add some legeslation, when everyone else had some,,,he didnt
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 11, 2008, 05:24:31 PM
Quote from: Spinner on November 11, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
i dont see what the prob is.....

buy the proper plate from personalised plates...if you cant afford that then stick with ya standard plate...if thats not good enough for you then just break the law...simple..... just remember....
;D

I can afford it but they dont do german plates........................
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on November 11, 2008, 06:32:51 PM
I recently contacted Andrea Hazelwood at the NZTA about getting a list of approved symbols for plates (ie whether or not the EU 'D' symbol was approved), and indeed how to go about getting it approved and she replied that it was up to Personalised Plates to approve any subsidiary symbols as they hold the licence to approve personalised plates. 

The implication was that they could do pretty much anything they wanted.  If that is indeed the case I don't see why they couldn't make EU style symbols on their plates if asked.  Might be worth trying to talk to people further up the food chain.

In that vein, I wonder if they would do a group buy style discount if enough of us got together.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 11, 2008, 07:44:14 PM
Do you know what really pisses me off about all this??

I actually work for the goverment  :o
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 11, 2008, 07:47:12 PM
Is that where Andy Knackelstat works?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on November 11, 2008, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: typ53 on November 11, 2008, 06:32:51 PM

I wonder if they would do a group buy style discount if enough of us got together.

Those thieves? As soon as they got wind of a "group" of people interested in a style of plate, they'd increase the price....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on November 11, 2008, 08:48:49 PM
A lady from plates is currently on who wants to be a millionare.....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on November 11, 2008, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: HaNs on November 11, 2008, 08:48:49 PM
A lady from plates is currently on who wants to be a millionare.....

Perhaps they aren't making all that much? ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 11, 2008, 09:26:21 PM
Maybe the group buy idea could be a runner.
At the moment they are missing out on potential business and obviously are not too pleased. If a truce was called they may see a business opportunity if the quantity was worthwhile
Just a thought
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on November 12, 2008, 12:00:00 AM
Quote from: typ53 on November 11, 2008, 06:32:51 PM
I recently contacted Andrea Hazelwood at the NZTA about getting a list of approved symbols for plates (ie whether or not the EU 'D' symbol was approved), and indeed how to go about getting it approved and she replied that it was up to Personalised Plates to approve any subsidiary symbols as they hold the licence to approve personalised plates. 

The implication was that they could do pretty much anything they wanted.  If that is indeed the case I don't see why they couldn't make EU style symbols on their plates if asked.  Might be worth trying to talk to people further up the food chain.

In that vein, I wonder if they would do a group buy style discount if enough of us got together.

When I spoke to them (Plates) they said they could only sell what the Government approved. She said they can't sell blank euro size plates because the Government doesn't allow them.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on November 12, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
It's a nice wee approach for them isn't it?  The NZTA Line is that they have contracted out the design and approval of symbols and slogans for personalised plates but it's an easy excuse for them to fall back on the 'government won't allow it' call.

As I understand it personalised plates don't actually make the plates, merely tell the Licensys (the official plate manufacturer) what to put on the plate. 

I can completely understand them not selling blank plates.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 12, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: typ53 on November 12, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
It's a nice wee approach for them isn't it?  The NZTA Line is that they have contracted out the design and approval of symbols and slogans for personalised plates but it's an easy excuse for them to fall back on the 'government won't allow it' call.

As I understand it personalised plates don't actually make the plates, merely tell the Licensys (the official plate manufacturer) what to put on the plate. 

I can completely understand them not selling blank plates.

He meant blank plates as in plates in the sence of no stupid Flags Either end i think
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on November 12, 2008, 11:30:43 AM
oh... ??? ??? ??? I'm so stupid.

So once again, as far as I can see they are telling pork pies to suit their own needs.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 12, 2008, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: typ53 on November 12, 2008, 11:30:43 AM
oh... ??? ??? ??? I'm so stupid.

So once again, as far as I can see they are telling pork pies to suit their own needs.

Nah your not.. the post can be construed either way!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on November 12, 2008, 12:43:58 PM
Yea that's what I meant. But yea your right, they just tell lies to blow you off and suit their needs
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 12, 2008, 07:53:21 PM
Hope you are watching Fair Go tonight, an item about Personalised Plates
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 12, 2008, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: qta4 on November 12, 2008, 07:53:21 PM
Hope you are watching Fair Go tonight, an item about Personalised Plates

I missed it, what did it say Noel?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 12, 2008, 08:19:21 PM
Turns out that someone that owns a personalised plate,ownership does not automatically follow with the new purchaser.
Had someone there who lost a personalised plate and wanted to order replacement.
Couldnt do the transaction because they were not the legal owner of the plate, in fact the original owner was 2 owners back.

A statutory declaration is required in that case.
Another form that no one knows about ???

Andy Knackelstat was the face that presented the case for personalised plates..    WHAT A TOSSER HE IS
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on November 12, 2008, 08:38:20 PM
I don't own the plate on my Bora, the only difference is I knew I didn't :D - will get onto transferring that now that I'm reminded.

I bought a PP off TradeMe a while back now, the seller sent down a partially completed transfer of ownership form which I finished and sent off - never heard anything back!! I wonder if I own it? I'll follow that up while I'm at it also 8)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 12, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
Bieng a country boy, i had no idea that ownership of PP did not automatically follow new owners.

Now that i am aware of that it will be a lot different for me..
And 9 times out of 10 this issue will never be a problem, just imagine being pulled up by the law because you only have one plate on your car and not knowing how to fix the problem
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 13, 2008, 10:10:21 AM
It's ridiculous to thnk that you can own a plate, which is essentially the registration number of a car (in old terms) and yet not have to own a corresponding car.

i think it's a bloody racket.

Either you own the plate that is registered to a car or you don't own a plate at all. If you get what I mean.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on November 13, 2008, 10:24:14 AM
It could be interesting if you got a ticket in the mail, registration number identifies the owner, just send it back and say you are not the owner.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on November 13, 2008, 10:42:19 AM
Something I always considered if I owned an inconspicuous late 80's or early 90's car, was searching for another identical colour and model vehicle, which contained a 0 (zero) on it's standard plate.
Then I'd buy a pplate with an identical combination, but with an O in place of the 0. Because my pplate would look like a standard plate, the owner of the other vehicle would receive my speed camera and parking tickets.
Wouldn't work now though, with the new font.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Trofeo on November 13, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
Quote from: fast4motion on November 13, 2008, 10:42:19 AM
Something I always considered if I owned an inconspicuous late 80's or early 90's car, was searching for another identical colour and model vehicle, which contained a 0 (zero) on it's standard plate.
Then I'd buy a pplate with an identical combination, but with an O in place of the 0. Because my pplate would look like a standard plate, the owner of the other vehicle would receive my speed camera and parking tickets.
Wouldn't work now though, with the new font.
my boss got a ticket the other day, but the ticket said 307 KW, rather than his plate which is 3O7 KW (naff plate i know!). Don't know if he was going to pay it. chances are both cars are HSVs so he'd probably get away with it.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on November 13, 2008, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on November 12, 2008, 08:09:39 PM
I missed it, what did it say Noel?

http://tvnzondemand.co.nz/content/fair_go_2008_ep35/ondemand_video_skin (http://tvnzondemand.co.nz/content/fair_go_2008_ep35/ondemand_video_skin)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on November 13, 2008, 11:24:15 PM
I'm assuming the Police can differentiate between a 'false plate' and a 'proper plate' by using the plate type field on a cars rego record, eg:

http://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=noj - 'Special Issue' - this car has a 'proper' NZ euro plate

http://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=otinga - 'Personalised' - car also has a 'proper' NZ euro plate, not sure how they will tell it is a euro plate though?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on November 13, 2008, 11:30:48 PM
Got a $200 fine from a friendly revenue collector of the Auckland City Council - ie a parking warden. Fine for 'not displaying registration plates'. Actually I was displaying plates on my car - replica euro plates.

Enforcing this particular law under this circumstance is simply revenue gathering - and serves to support extortionate pricing by p-plates (1000% mark up on cost of $40 euro-plate from lic-sys). Pricks  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on November 14, 2008, 07:17:33 AM
How many of these 'alternate' plates are out there? Would it be more than 200?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 14, 2008, 07:53:17 AM
Quote from: AngleBox on November 14, 2008, 07:17:33 AM
How many of these 'alternate' plates are out there? Would it be more than 200?

Easy.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on November 14, 2008, 07:58:27 AM
So let's say there are 5,000. Using some old numbers, let's say there are 3,700,000 active vehicles on the road. That means 0.0013% of vehicles have these plates. What's the fuss from the fuzz?  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 14, 2008, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: AngleBox on November 14, 2008, 07:58:27 AM
So let's say there are 5,000. Using some old numbers, let's say there are 3,700,000 active vehicles on the road. That means 0.0013% of vehicles have these plates. What's the fuss from the fuzz?  ::)
It's easy.

Lok at the above example...easy revenue for little or no trouble.

How many people with Euro plates on a nice Audi, Beemer, Fiat or whatever and likely to get out of their car with a bat and attack an officer of the revenue department law?

I certainly wouldn't want to be doing any real police work if I was able to get away with making myself a hero in the chief's eyes by increasing the police wanker's fund by millions a year...

I have so little respect for the traffic department right now...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 14, 2008, 10:07:46 AM
QuoteAs requested

   

Elenor Tamati



LicenSys NZ Limited


Phone: +64 9 259 2665

Fax: +64 9 276 9829
Email: [email protected]

Web: www.licensys.com

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 14, 2008, 01:04:42 PM
the Pinged my Old damner last night.

i orderd him a set of Genuines today..

I fought the law and...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 14, 2008, 01:15:47 PM
As Usual, you lost.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 14, 2008, 01:20:55 PM
thank damn i can afford rip off Pplates ones
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 14, 2008, 01:22:07 PM
Indeed.

Where have you been hiding, Mr Croatia?

And why are you all of a sudden obeying the rules? It's not like you to just bite the bullet and buy the expensive option...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 14, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
The Cost Doesnt really bother me..

It was more the fact the German Plates ones looked Visually Better!

However..

such is life

I have Ordered 4 Sets of New Zealand Euro Plates today
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on November 14, 2008, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 14, 2008, 01:28:15 PM

I have Ordered 4 Sets of New Zealand Euro Plates today

So you're the one financing their infuriating radio advertisements >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 14, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: fast4motion on November 14, 2008, 01:32:16 PM
So you're the one financing their infuriating radio advertisements >:(

No just had four tickets..

I wish they would offer Black Plates with Silver Lettering thou (like Licensys offers in Aussie)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on November 14, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 14, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
The Cost Doesnt really bother me..

It was more the fact the German Plates ones looked Visually Better!

However..

such is life

I have Ordered 4 Sets of New Zealand Euro Plates today

Who the hell are you and what did you do with our forum member Anton?!! ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 14, 2008, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 14, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
The Cost Doesnt really bother me..

It was more the fact the German Plates ones looked Visually Better!

However..

such is life

I have Ordered 4 Sets of New Zealand Euro Plates today

Buy me one as well? :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 14, 2008, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: fast4motion on November 14, 2008, 01:32:16 PM
So you're the one financing their infuriating radio advertisements >:(

I made a complaint about their Adverts i hate them too
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 14, 2008, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 14, 2008, 01:45:33 PM
I made a complaint about their Adverts i hate them too
That's more like it! ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 14, 2008, 08:50:56 PM
Just to follow up on my ticket.....

I sent a rather critical email around work about this and how unethical it is and 2 minutes later my phone rang from a senior manager and i got blasted....  :-[

A rather career limiting move you might say...   :-\
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 14, 2008, 08:54:14 PM
i went into police station yesterday ...showed cop my nz plates.he signed compliance letter and i wrote a note and mailed it off.
so hopefully my fine will be all gone soon  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: BB on November 14, 2008, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: ballin on November 14, 2008, 08:50:56 PM
Just to follow up on my ticket.....

I sent a rather critical email around work about this and how unethical it is and 2 minutes later my phone rang from a senior manager and i got blasted....  :-[

A rather career limiting move you might say...   :-\
Stink one, did he tell you off for wasting everyones time? Or being anti police?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 14, 2008, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: BB on November 14, 2008, 09:07:37 PM
Stink one, did he tell you off for wasting everyones time? Or being anti police?

Being overly and openly critical of the company that engages a public organisation into a monopolistic contract...... in my email to "all users" i broached the "ethical" boundaries. I dont think it went down too well
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on November 14, 2008, 10:49:55 PM
Oops.  Good on ya though, you must have been pretty fired up to send it to 'all'.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on November 15, 2008, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: euro-jet on November 14, 2008, 08:54:14 PM
i went into police station yesterday ...showed cop my nz plates.he signed compliance letter and i wrote a note and mailed it off.
so hopefully my fine will be all gone soon  ;)

What plates are you running?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on November 15, 2008, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: ballin on November 14, 2008, 10:30:02 PM
Being overly and openly critical of the company that engages a public organisation into a monopolistic contract...... in my email to "all users" i broached the "ethical" boundaries. I dont think it went down too well
Sorry to hear, hope I wasn't the one to wind you up  ???

Quote from: Ante on November 14, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
The Cost Doesnt really bother me..

It was more the fact the German Plates ones looked Visually Better!

However..

such is life

I have Ordered 4 Sets of New Zealand Euro Plates today
It bothers me. Either the government is charging p-plates an exorbitant licensing fee or p-plates are charging the public too much. P-plates is a monopoly and therefore should be subject to price regulation IMO.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 15, 2008, 10:16:44 AM
Quite right; this is government a licensed monopoly and should be price controlled
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on November 15, 2008, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: brian245 on November 15, 2008, 10:16:44 AM
Quite right; this is government a licensed monopoly and should be price controlled

It's seen as an unnecessary luxury for the rich and fair game for revenue generation I'm sure.

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on November 15, 2008, 10:59:24 AM
this stationary fine business is a bit alarming- i cant believe I havent been caught out yet?  so many ppl seem to have been but ive been running my german plates between hamilton and auckland every weekend for a good 6mos- though i generally spot the po po's before they spot me.  and euro jet how are u managing this- care to elaborate?  they fined you for german plates being displayed, then you just went and found a cop to sign a letter saying you were actually running regular plates?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 15, 2008, 11:27:17 AM
i was running (D) plates.
i was pulled up for speeding  :-\ the cop told me my plates were illegal copies...explained to me that some company in germany are making fake plates and selling them off cheap  ::)
i was shocked at this news and informed him i only purchased the vehicle like this 6 months ago,and asked how i can be held liable for someone elses actions.
he agreed to gime me a time to apply for compliance.
went to my local police station.showed the cop my legal nz plates mounted on vehicle.
he signed a photocopy version of infringement notice saying he has witnesed compliance has been met.
sent this away with the reason i believe this fine should be waved and sent it away.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Hoff on November 15, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
So is it worth me getting a set of black plates for my mk2 that will only get driven every now and then? or just buy a NZ euro plate? Would they notice the black plates on a older car like a mk2?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 15, 2008, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: Turbed_85_gti on November 15, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
So is it worth me getting a set of black plates for my mk2 that will only get driven every now and then? or just buy a NZ euro plate? Would they notice the black plates on a older car like a mk2?
he mentioned a few times about the font...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 15, 2008, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: le mans on November 15, 2008, 09:35:46 AM
It bothers me. Either the government is charging p-plates an exorbitant licensing fee or p-plates are charging the public too much. P-plates is a monopoly and therefore should be subject to price regulation IMO.

i beleive its rediculously over priced also .. however...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: vag_nutter on November 15, 2008, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Turbed_85_gti on November 15, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
So is it worth me getting a set of black plates for my mk2 that will only get driven every now and then? or just buy a NZ euro plate? Would they notice the black plates on a older car like a mk2?

Wouldnt worry about it in hb, I use to have german plates on my 80 and the cops didnt worry about them. Only when I went upto auckland was I told to remove them
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on November 15, 2008, 11:49:20 PM
bastards.
Got stopped, asked to remove my plates then and there and hand over. And drive home with no plates ???

So got a ticket, no plates :'(
So back to standard...i urge everyone running D plates to just go back to standard, don't give the f32kers anymore money and DONT buy one from personalised plates!

Still mad, cant type >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 16, 2008, 08:16:57 AM
Quote from: Poonmobile on November 15, 2008, 11:49:20 PM
bastards.
Got stopped, asked to remove my plates then and there and hand over. And drive home with no plates ???

So got a ticket, no plates :'(
So back to standard...i urge everyone running D plates to just go back to standard, don't give the f32kers anymore money and DONT buy one from personalised plates!

Still mad, cant type >:(

WTF? Drive home with no plates?!?
Wankers.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on November 16, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
 >:( i have been carrying my standard plates in the car so I can just change them- havent we discussed the conviscation issue?  they are your property?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 16, 2008, 11:41:32 AM
Quote from: vag_nutter on November 15, 2008, 10:21:29 PM
Wouldnt worry about it in hb, I use to have german plates on my 80 and the cops didnt worry about them. Only when I went upto auckland was I told to remove them

::)

Have you read any of this topic????

Its happening here in HB as well.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 16, 2008, 11:56:45 AM
ash they cant remove the plates from you....  >:(
it was clearly explained to me that the plates dont belong to them or nz plates.so its prety much thieft on their part.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on November 16, 2008, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: Poonmobile on November 15, 2008, 11:49:20 PM
bastards.
Got stopped, asked to remove my plates then and there and hand over. And drive home with no plates ???

So got a ticket, no plates :'(
So back to standard...i urge everyone running D plates to just go back to standard, don't give the f32kers anymore money and DONT buy one from personalised plates!

Still mad, cant type >:(

what  ???
No plates..

Where did this happen Ash.. ?.. was it local ?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on November 16, 2008, 04:00:21 PM
Original plates back on my cars  :'(. On the bright side I  can drive and park freely on public roads knowing I wont get fined by some overly officious officer of the law or city council (for dodgy plates anyway). Not keen to part with any money to p-plates (just for a euro-plate at least), will just have to see how long I can hold out for.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 16, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
Im sure the attention will die off soon in a couple of months when the have some other crap offence to ping someone about.. this is just at the top of the list right now! very short memory the  :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on November 16, 2008, 06:47:33 PM
Has anyone looked where P plates are?? Flash enough building for selling ali plates, and who is keeping them there? - All the suckers paying their rip off prices!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 16, 2008, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: vert1 on November 16, 2008, 06:47:33 PM
Has anyone looked where P plates are?? Flash enough building for selling ali plates, and who is keeping them there? - All the suckers paying their rip off prices!

Yep and i bet the LTNZ arent getting anywhere near enough back from there huge profit margin........
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on November 17, 2008, 08:51:14 AM
Quote from: ballin on November 16, 2008, 06:54:45 PM
Yep and i bet the LTNZ arent getting anywhere near enough back from there huge profit margin........

well, they do have to pay for the motorway onramps that are now bristling with those staging lights...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 17, 2008, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: 5-pot on November 17, 2008, 08:51:14 AM
well, they do have to pay for the motorway onramps that are now bristling with those staging lights...

I must say i should hit the LTSA about increased wear in my Tyres due to those "lane feeders"

damn drag racing :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 17, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: 5-pot on November 17, 2008, 08:51:14 AM
well, they do have to pay for the motorway onramps that are now bristling with those staging lights...

Nah nah nah thats transfield services doing that.....  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 17, 2008, 05:22:57 PM
Okay I've given in. Original plates are back on. They look crap with holes showing either side from my original UK plates :(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on November 17, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 17, 2008, 05:22:57 PM
Okay I've given in. Original plates are back on. They look crap with holes showing either side from my original UK plates :(

I wonder if its legal to have your German or Uk plates under the puss LTSA ones? Atleast that would fill the gap????????????
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 17, 2008, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: gti vr6 on November 17, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
I wonder if its legal to have your German or Uk plates under the puss LTSA ones? Atleast that would fill the gap????????????

i was driving home today and was thing the exact same thing..... ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on November 17, 2008, 09:48:26 PM
Here's the resposne I had from the ComCom to the compaint I sent them.

Dear Mr. Turner,

Thank you for your email dated 1st November regarding Personalised Plates Ltd.

Section 36 of the Commerce Act 1986 (?the Act?) prohibits a business with a substantial degree of power in a market from taking advantage of their power to prevent competition in that market or any other market.

The Act does not prohibit a person or business from having a substantial degree of market power. A substantial degree of market power could have been gained before the introduction of the Act, or through legislation, or through highly desirable behaviour, such as utilising sound judgment, skill, foresight and innovation to become more efficient than rivals. 

The Commission considers that the behaviour of Personalised Plates in this instance does not contravene the provisions of the Act, as based on the information available, it is not clear that it used its substantial degree of market power for a purpose that breaches the legislation.

The Act does not restrict the ability of a business to determine the prices at which it sells goods or services. Consequently, a business is usually free to offer goods or services for sale at a price that it chooses.  However, prices of goods or services may be controlled under the Act if:

the goods or services are, or will be, supplied or acquired in a market in which competition is limited or is likely to be lessened; and

the Government considers it necessary or desirable, in the interests of acquirers or suppliers of the goods or services, for goods or services to be controlled.  In this respect, control of goods or services may include controlling the prices and/or the quality of the goods or services supplied or acquired.

We have no information at present to suggest that the Government considers it necessary or desirable that the price of personalised number plates should be controlled and will not be taking the matter further.

I trust this information is of assistance and clarifies the Commission?s position in this matter.

Please note that the above comments are not a ruling of law.  Only the courts can ultimately decide whether any conduct breaches the Act.  You should be aware that the Act specifically provides for action by individuals, even when the Commission has decided not to take any action itself. This option remains open to you.


Yours sincerely,

Jody McTaggart
Contact Centre Advisor
Corporate Services Branch
Commerce Commission
Phone 0800 943 600
[email protected]

I like how she states that they will intervene if; "the goods or services are, or will be, supplied or acquired in a market in which competition is limited or is likely to be lessened" yet they are not willing to take action when the government has the monopoly!
I'll post the response I get from my reply email.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 17, 2008, 11:11:35 PM
Quote from: GlenT on November 17, 2008, 09:48:26 PM


The Commission considers that the behaviour of Personalised Plates in this instance does not contravene the provisions of the Act, as based on the information available, it is not clear that it used its substantial degree of market power for a purpose that breaches the legislation.


so what does a company need to do to breach the act??? make 3000% profit?? FFS what a bunch of sock cuckers  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: KiwiC4S on November 18, 2008, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: gti vr6 on November 17, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
I wonder if its legal to have your German or Uk plates under the puss LTSA ones? Atleast that would fill the gap????????????

As a last resort there is a guy on Tard M3 that sells plate frames for standard size plates which have wide plastic sides to fill the space covered by a Euro plate. He supplies either the blue NZ flag sticker or black fern sticker (or add your own) on each side and would be legal as you are running the correct plate, although as previously mentioned not an ideal look. Seriously considering it though until the heat dies down...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 18, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: KiwiA4 on November 18, 2008, 09:48:40 AM
As a last resort there is a guy on Tard M3 that sells plate frames for standard size plates which have wide plastic sides to fill the space covered by a Euro plate. He supplies either the blue NZ flag sticker or black fern sticker (or add your own) on each side and would be legal as you are running the correct plate, although as previously mentioned not an ideal look. Seriously considering it though until the heat dies down...

Can you post a link?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: KiwiC4S on November 18, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 18, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
Can you post a link?

There isn't a listing for the actual frame but he mentions it here:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=188253281 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=188253281)

I got an email from him with a pic of the frame and stickers but I don't have an account anywhere to be able to post it up. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SimonS2 on November 18, 2008, 10:20:17 AM
My brother got fined for his front plate by a parking warden recently.

I think he had a signwriter make plates here in Ak just to fill in the wider 'euro' space on his truck. Font and everything custom made to match legit ones, he just couldn't understand paying so much money for the extra bit of plastic when he could have one made from scratch for peanuts.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 18, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: KiwiA4 on November 18, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
There isn't a listing for the actual frame but he mentions it here:

Quote from: KiwiA4
Rob, pic attached. Thanks for posting. The blank frames are 500mm long overall and cost $15 each and each sticker is $2.50 each.

I have had some stickers made up with the Audi rings and logo as attached and was intending on using these in place of the fern. Might also be an idea to get some Vask ones made up to go in this spot.

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi164.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu3%2FRobClubley%2FCars%2FAudisticker.jpg&hash=2225deb72be59e0874f09b9898e512d356b20a30)
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi164.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu3%2FRobClubley%2FCars%2FWinged80-2.jpg&hash=12a2d2a1d14755e4be70b3eed8babf199360a376)

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 18, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
urg..

i think i would rather just run with plain jane plates..


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 18, 2008, 11:19:23 AM
Yeah, these are too high
Why I prefer the euro's is because of the slightly reduced height which means they fit the space better.
This frame increases the height of the standard plate even further
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on November 18, 2008, 11:23:52 AM
until the heat dies down- a run of blue silver fern/southern cross stickers to go over the D+ EU symbols on the end of our german plates? my guess would be that would damage the spotting accuracy from a distance....
or just get you into some even worse trouble  :-\
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: KiwiC4S on November 18, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: chis on November 18, 2008, 11:23:52 AM
until the heat dies down- a run of blue silver fern/southern cross stickers to go over the D+ EU symbols on the end of our german plates? my guess would be that would damage the spotting accuracy from a distance....
or just get you into some even worse trouble  :-\

Is it just the D+EU flagged plates that have been pinged so far? I thought some with the NZ flag had also been fined simply based on the font difference.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 18, 2008, 11:34:48 AM
The Font have damn all Differences..

Most the Characters are identical

with the More Obvious Exceptions of "7" "1" "0" "3" and "R" and only slightly one or Two Others..

on the plates i had on my R32 Every Letter was identical to the Govt Issue plates Except for the 3

DHN353

NZ Plate
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi462.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq349%2Fabarbarich%2FNZ.jpg&hash=ae0b525f4c746ca7d1a3a3e254536cf3054ad6dc)
German Plate
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi462.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq349%2Fabarbarich%2Fgerman.jpg&hash=c84857957caa497c0bcdfd4123ab46867b70976d)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Turbo on November 18, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
those are all different.

and nz font is condensed.

if it's your job to know the difference you'll easily spot a fake.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 18, 2008, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: Turbo on November 18, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
those are all different.

and nz font is condensed.

if it's your job to know the difference you'll easily spot a fake.

actually thats a really bad digital example of the German Plates



but the leters on my Standard Plate and on the German Plate all fitted in to eachother when pressed up hard..

all except the three
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 18, 2008, 02:48:43 PM
Just Ordered another Set
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 18, 2008, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 18, 2008, 02:48:43 PM
Just Ordered another Set

Stop it! You'll only encourage them!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on November 18, 2008, 03:05:02 PM
Without having read the last 37 pages of this thread, what is stopping joe bloggs from starting a plate company and selling euro plates to the legal specs?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on November 18, 2008, 03:12:01 PM
The government has licensed PPlates as the sole provider of customised plates that conform to govt spec.  :-\  At least that what I gathered.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 18, 2008, 03:12:20 PM
Whats stopping Joe Blogs..

A Contract between Plates Licensys and the govt for the Creation and Re Sale of them
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 18, 2008, 03:15:19 PM
To be honest..

i think we should get over it..

We are lucky they havent yet cottoned on to what happens in Australia..

In Aussie

the Cost of the Plate is proportionate to the variations in characters displayed..

a Plate consisting of Letters only costs AUD600 Per Year to have on you Vehicle... this cost is on top of your Annual Registration Cost..

you can no longer Purchase Plates for a One off Cost (at least in NSW any more)

so maybe we should just Grin and Bear it pay the one off cost and put up with what we have to put up with...

the Saying used to be "There are two things in life that you cant escape... Death and Taxes" its now three things you cant escape.. Death, Takes and Govt Sanctioned Monopolys

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Bullseye on November 18, 2008, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 18, 2008, 03:15:19 PM

the Saying used to be "There are two things in life that you cant escape... Death and Taxes" its now three things you cant escape.. Death, Takes and Govt Sanctioned Monopolys


Zachery don't fight the man instead ask them to send you the forms to start your very own "Govt Sanctioned Monopoly"  ;)

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on November 18, 2008, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: KiwiA4 on November 18, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
Is it just the D+EU flagged plates that have been pinged so far? I thought some with the NZ flag had also been fined simply based on the font difference.
My car had the fern & flag ie identical to a nz issue euro-plate except for the font. Still got fined.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: uero-jet on November 18, 2008, 08:03:26 PM
police officer pointed out my font "2" & "L"
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 19, 2008, 01:45:55 PM
Hrmm

Evidently There is someone locally who is Imitating the Current New Zealand Font..

and Doing So quite well i may add..

I saw a Black XR8 Yesterday with a Nice Set of Black Plates with Silver Letters. in what looked to be True NZ font..

Crossed Zeroes and Ls without the funny notches..

I wonder where he got them made..

perhaps he works at licensys
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 19, 2008, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Ante on November 19, 2008, 01:45:55 PM
Hrmm

Evidently There is someone locally who is Imitating the Current New Zealand Font..

and Doing So quite well i may add..

I saw a Black XR8 Yesterday with a Nice Set of Black Plates with Silver Letters. in what looked to be True NZ font..

Crossed Zeroes and Ls without the funny notches..

I wonder where he got them made..

perhaps he works at licensys


It might just be a NZ plate thats been repainted.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on November 19, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
Raises an interesting question, the plate may have been modified, which is not allowed, yet is still technically legal as is conforms to the proscribed form. 
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 19, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: Golfboy666GTI on November 19, 2008, 02:38:12 PM
It might just be a NZ plate thats been repainted.



dont think so

it was what looked to be the exact dimentions of that of a NZ plate

but it didnt have the Holes all over it like the Govt Reg Plates do

This is the second one of these plates i have seen. the other was BADDV8 and that was identical to NZ Font also.. (and another XR8)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 19, 2008, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Pristle on November 19, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
Raises an interesting question, the plate may have been modified, which is not allowed, yet is still technically legal as is conforms to the proscribed form. 

On the subject of modifying actual Govt Plates

My Uncles other Hot Rod (1955 Ford F100)  he personalised a Number Plate for it that was something to do with V8s etc.. and the First Two Letters were "NE" any Who

We got these Stripped (dipped)  back to bare alloy masked off the letters and border and painted the rest matte black

This however.. doesnt look as good as a Correctly Foiled Number Plate (the method used for giving a Alloy Plate its colour Scheme)

but like you said it conforms with the prescribed Visual Appearance of the Plates..

but doesnt conform with the non modification thing.





The Non Modification thing i can understand on Standard Govt Issue Plates... as they are property of the Govt.

However when you Personalise a Plate it then becomes your property...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on November 19, 2008, 08:22:17 PM
Well I have just received an email from GermanPlates.com:

Quoteagain on sale the popular NZ flag plates
As you may noticed we had to remove the NZ flag plates back in March
due to copyright problems with the NZ plate supplier.
We now have added the same style plates but with the original NZ flag.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on November 19, 2008, 08:30:20 PM
If you look on the plates site, the genuine article does not have a flag on it and the southern cross is on the left side, not the right.........even the dumbest plod would notice that
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: subverse on November 19, 2008, 08:41:33 PM

Quote from: rambo_005 on November 19, 2008, 08:22:17 PM
Well I have just received an email from GermanPlates.com:




Wouldn't it be funny if pplates copied this design.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 20, 2008, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: rambo_005 on November 19, 2008, 08:22:17 PM
Well I have just received an email from GermanPlates.com:



If I was in Europe, that's the plate I'd get...I'd like the idea of a NZ flag on my car in Germany...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 5-pot on November 20, 2008, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on November 20, 2008, 08:26:49 AM
If I was in Europe, that's the plate I'd get...I'd like the idea of a NZ flag on my car in Germany...

Doesn't the flag on the plate define where in europe the car is registered?  Which would mean having an NZ flag on there would be... wrong? :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 20, 2008, 09:53:25 AM
that design is damning queer
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 20, 2008, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: 5-pot on November 20, 2008, 08:46:19 AM
Doesn't the flag on the plate define where in europe the car is registered?  Which would mean having an NZ flag on there would be... wrong? :P
But if that's the case, you'd apply the logic to NZ and say why not only have the NZ flag etc on our plates instead of the Euro stars etc...;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 20, 2008, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on November 20, 2008, 09:56:04 AM
But if that's the case, you'd apply the logic to NZ and say why not only have the NZ flag etc on our plates instead of the Euro stars etc...;D

this is True.. but NZ is a blow arse country and we cant drive any where easily enough without having to jump on a Cargo Ship for a Few Months
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 20, 2008, 10:06:04 AM
I was speaking to one of the guys at Powerhaus this morning and he was telling me a cop pulled them and had a go about the stick-on front plates on their Targa cars. They were driving between stages.

He was not complimentary about said officer :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 20, 2008, 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 20, 2008, 10:06:04 AM
He was not complimentary about said officer :D
I bet he wasn't...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on November 20, 2008, 10:19:47 AM
we should all start running over police officers..

that will clear the scum out of the force :P
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on November 20, 2008, 05:23:51 PM
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe214%2Ftonka_nz%2Fasasasas.jpg&hash=2951350728f20556ff0934a5ced6b6fa113edcc6)

and they want $600?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 20, 2008, 05:29:43 PM
Is it my imagination or has that faded right off on the left hand side?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on November 20, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on November 20, 2008, 05:29:43 PM
Is it my imagination or has that faded right off on the left hand side?

yes, that was the point i was getting at

(not my horrible editing skills :P)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 20, 2008, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: tonka_nz on November 20, 2008, 05:23:51 PM
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe214%2Ftonka_nz%2Fasasasas.jpg&hash=2951350728f20556ff0934a5ced6b6fa113edcc6)

and they want $600?

$899 now!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on November 20, 2008, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on November 20, 2008, 06:25:25 PM
$899 now!

i got quoted $599 via email for a VW branded one?
(and i even get to pick what three letters/numbers i want... oooo  ::) )
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on November 20, 2008, 07:28:20 PM
im going to put a white sticker over the top of the EU/D bit, am thinking that at a distance, whilst moving, most wont be able to tell the difference, and am going to endeavor not to park in public.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on November 20, 2008, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: tonka_nz on November 20, 2008, 06:31:07 PM
i got quoted $599 via email for a VW branded one?
(and i even get to pick what three letters/numbers i want... oooo  ::) )

Ah, yeah. $899 for anything, $599 for 3 letters 3 numbers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on November 20, 2008, 09:49:10 PM
I went on about the quality issues about 30 odd pages back lol
I have seen heaps with faded flags, think its from carwash machines..
Cheaply made.. not like a quality German product ;)

I went through a WOF Checkpoint yesterday, & not a thing mentioned about my plain German Plates, just asked where my WOF sticker was..  ::)
Oh umm.. umm... cr*p its in my ash tray, I forgot to stick it on... slacker
Was all ok once I showed it

But I have succumbed & decided that I dont want the hassle if I am pulled over my some cop on a number plate rampage, or worse some dickhead parking warden
I am not liking having Police cars near me with them on the car these days

So after 4+ years, 8+ WOF's, numerous check points, a speed camera ticket..

They are off the car tonight... >:( >:(

The standard ones look awful in comparison imo, & I had to drill holes in them to fit on the rear, which I got a 1-2mm out, so felt like drilling random holes through them, & making them looking like swiss cheese  ::)

But like hell I would ever pay the Personalised Plates set up, anything like $400 for bit of tin.. that should be a standard offering, or a nominal price

>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on November 20, 2008, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: X 130R on November 20, 2008, 09:49:10 PM

.....But like hell I would ever pay the Personalised Plates set up....


That sums up my thoughts on the matter. They can shove their overpriced plates up their @rse, along with their obnoxious radio advertisements. If people just stopped purchasing new pplates for 6 months, they'd probably be out of business.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on November 21, 2008, 08:00:24 AM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on November 20, 2008, 05:29:43 PM
Is it my imagination or has that faded right off on the left hand side?
When my wife bought my Euro plates a few years ago they told her that they were going to be made in oz at the time, and the delivery time may be a tad longer because they had "problems" with the ink on the ones here.
My ones still look new four years later. Though I only drive the car once every blue moon. :)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on November 21, 2008, 08:03:57 AM
Maybe they should get them made in Germany

I know just the place 
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 21, 2008, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: X 130R on November 21, 2008, 08:03:57 AM
Maybe they should get them made in Germany

I know just the place 

+1  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on November 25, 2008, 09:56:30 PM
Just got off the ticket issued by NSCC today, i claimed ignorance through "purchasing" the car privately with said plates and as it had passed aWOF how would i know it was illegal etc etc etc.....

Judge would throw it out and they know it, given the recent media.. happy days  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on November 26, 2008, 08:19:36 AM
Quote from: ballin on November 25, 2008, 09:56:30 PM
Just got off the ticket issued by NSCC today, i claimed ignorance through "purchasing" the car privately with said plates and as it had passed aWOF how would i know it was illegal etc etc etc.....

Judge would throw it out and they know it, given the recent media.. happy days  :D
Well done.

If we didn;t have such a damn awesome mayor, I'd hate the NSCC.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Bullseye on November 26, 2008, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: GlenT on November 21, 2008, 08:00:24 AM
When my wife bought my Euro plates a few years ago they told her that they were going to be made in oz at the time, and the delivery time may be a tad longer because they had "problems" with the ink on the ones here.
My ones still look new four years later. Though I only drive the car once every blue moon. :)

Blue Moons:
May 2008
Third full moon in a season of four full moons

Dec. 2009
Second full moon in month

Nov. 2010
Third full moon in a season of four full moons

Aug. 2012
Second full moon in month

Drive it more, drive it more  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on December 12, 2008, 12:29:26 AM
Does anyone have the link to the law about number plates? Can't find it in this thread or on the LTSA

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on December 12, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
You must mean the specific transgression as appears on the fine or summons? I'm keen to know what that is too. I'm keen to do some digging.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SteveC on December 12, 2008, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: coons88 on December 12, 2008, 12:29:26 AM
Does anyone have the link to the law about number plates? Can't find it in this thread or on the LTSA

Cheers


http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM90415.html?search=ts_all%40act%40bill%40regulation_vehicle+licensing&sr=1 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM90415.html?search=ts_all%40act%40bill%40regulation_vehicle+licensing&sr=1)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on December 12, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: SteveC on December 12, 2008, 12:51:33 PM

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM90415.html?search=ts_all%40act%40bill%40regulation_vehicle+licensing&sr=1 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM90415.html?search=ts_all%40act%40bill%40regulation_vehicle+licensing&sr=1)

Thanks
Am reading through trying to find the/a section that would deam german plates iligal..

There seems to be no legislation on what the plate must look like? The only thing that I can see that they can possibly get us on is section 9A;

9A. Application for personalised registration platesAny person who wishes to obtain personalised registration plates (including any person who wishes to convert a vehicle's existing registration plates to personalised registration plates bearing the same combination of letters and numbers as the existing plates) may apply to the person who is for the time being entitled under section 9 of this Act to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates.


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on December 12, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
I believe that somewhere in there it states that plates must come from the govt. authorised dealer, currently being pp or licensys I think. This is where the problem is with the german plates, not so much the way they look.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on December 12, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: coons88 on December 12, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
Thanks
Am reading through trying to find the/a section that would deam german plates iligal..

There seems to be no legislation on what the plate must look like? The only thing that I can see that they can possibly get us on is section 9A;

9A. Application for personalised registration platesAny person who wishes to obtain personalised registration plates (including any person who wishes to convert a vehicle's existing registration plates to personalised registration plates bearing the same combination of letters and numbers as the existing plates) may apply to the person who is for the time being entitled under section 9 of this Act to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates.



I think that clause should be re-written to make it more confusing...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on December 12, 2008, 03:19:22 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on December 12, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
I believe that somewhere in there it states that plates must come from the govt. authorised dealer, currently being pp or licensys I think. This is where the problem is with the german plates, not so much the way they look.
It's something about the "authorised agent" or somesuch...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on December 12, 2008, 03:33:04 PM
It does also state that by law Personalised Plates has a monoply  ::)

4) There shall not be more than one contract under this section in force at any one time.

(one contract for issuing personalised plates)

Ballin you work with the Police dont you? You should ask for someone to point out the exact law that makes german plates illigal, because I don't see much there, it's pretty wishy washy..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on December 12, 2008, 04:43:07 PM
We just told you what the law is, there can be only one agent and plates MUST come from that one agent. Its in there hidden in legal jibber jabber.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on December 12, 2008, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Simon MkII on December 12, 2008, 04:43:07 PM
We just told you what the law is, there can be only one agent and plates MUST come from that one agent. Its in there hidden in legal jibber jabber.
Ah, Jibber Jabber...now there's a blast from the Boston Legal past
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on December 12, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
I thought that monopolies were frowned upon in NZ
Every time a largish merger is mooted the commerce commission is making disapproving noises as it may lessen competition   ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on December 12, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: coons88 on December 12, 2008, 03:33:04 PM
It does also state that by law Personalised Plates has a monoply  ::)

4) There shall not be more than one contract under this section in force at any one time.

(one contract for issuing personalised plates)

Ballin you work with the Police dont you? You should ask for someone to point out the exact law that makes german plates illigal, because I don't see much there, it's pretty wishy washy..

Yes your right i do, if you read back through the thread you will see i raised it at work and got my knuckles wrapped for even highlighting that this was going on...........  :-[

Hopefully the contract wont be for much longer and it can be re written in our favour (like th UK)

But we live and hope.........  :-\
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on December 22, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
I just wanted to re-ignite this thread...... any one had any run ins? Whose still running D plates?

Saw a beemer today at Albany with standard plates screwed over the top of the "D German" plate, he had done a good job of lining it up and his standard plates were brand new so nice and clean, i asked him if he had any problems with the  :police: but he did then did the plates over and no worries..... im not convinced but could be an option if you want to fill the void of euro holders (like me! but im actually enjoying driving around with no front number plate at the moment!!!!)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on December 23, 2008, 07:10:26 AM
I saw an A class Merc the other day with English plates - a kiwi reg but English made plastic plates and UK lettering!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on December 23, 2008, 07:54:02 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on December 23, 2008, 07:10:26 AM
I saw an A class Merc the other day with English plates - a kiwi reg but English made plastic plates and UK lettering!
I've seen a few cars with those on lately..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on December 23, 2008, 11:15:40 PM
Quote from: ballin on December 22, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
Saw a beemer today at Albany with standard plates screwed over the top of the "D German" plate

Seems to be getting more common, I've seen a few like that now
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on December 23, 2008, 11:18:21 PM
I've been driving the Mk3 VR6 around with german plates... not even a sniff from several :police: over the past 2 weeks...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on December 24, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
So the rumours of the end of the campaign may be true?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on December 24, 2008, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on December 24, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
So the rumours of the end of the campaign may be true?

Whose happy to donate to the cause if i get caught running them in the police station?  ;) :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on December 24, 2008, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on December 24, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
So the rumours of the end of the campaign may be true?
I got done $200 on the 11th..
played it dumb and asked how i could get them "authorized" haha  ;) .. and then how i could go through a WOF with them. he said that not knowing is not an excuse, so im thinking about visiting the cop shop and sucking some to get off it since i have 'complied'.

Quote from: ballin on December 22, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
Saw a beemer today at Albany with standard plates screwed over the top of the "D German" plate, he had done a good job of lining it up and his standard plates were brand new so nice and clean
and yeah, theres alot of this going on in Ponsonby - done well looks alright
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on December 30, 2008, 10:17:58 AM
A different spin, though I haven't heard this used locally as a reason for a clamp down:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2331&tag=nl.e550 (http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2331&tag=nl.e550)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: polo_GTI on December 31, 2008, 02:11:03 PM
Hope this doesn't jinx it.

I've had my D-plate since last year July 2007. No problems yet. I also have germanplates.com stickers in the middle between my plate GO HAN.

I actually had a few cop cars following me on the way to Whangarei (about 3 of them) closely behind me, but none of them were interested. One cop followed me into the petrol station, just eyeing my car up and down, then just left me. I was dressed in sensible work clothes with shirt and proper pants. I don't know if that makes any difference.

It's my daily ride, and I haven't had problems yet.

Funny thing is in city near Wellesley, I was going up and stopped at the lights, but my front wheels may have gone slightly past the white line, the red light camera flashed. I was well behind and stopped. Weird... better not send me a ticket, there is no way I am paying for what I haven't done.

Fingers crossed... I love my D plates...
:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on December 31, 2008, 06:41:49 PM
Might put mine back on as a new years present  ;)
I was ticketed by a parking warden, not a cop.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on January 03, 2009, 10:38:33 AM
yup, i was pinged by a warden as well ($400 lesson now!) and i've noticed a few of the big boys with porcshes etc have bought the black nz euro plates...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Berry on January 06, 2009, 11:30:12 AM
Probably a repost, haven't read all of this epic thread. And I know it's not really news to anyone. Interesting comments too.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/check-personalised-plate-it-could-land-you-a-ticket-39077
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on January 06, 2009, 11:45:49 AM
What a load of old bollox that article is!
Those naughty car owners having the temerity to buy the same product for less money!
The good old police will sort them out!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on January 06, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
Hadn't seen that onebefore, but have added my tidbit, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 06, 2009, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: Pristle on January 06, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
Hadn't seen that onebefore, but have added my tidbit, for what it's worth.

I followed  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on January 06, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
Ive been driving around all day today in a Car with Replica New Zealand Euros on..

Had about 10 different cop cars following me at some point.. not one seemed to give a crap..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 06, 2009, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: Ante on January 06, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
Ive been driving around all day today in a Car with Replica New Zealand Euros on..

Had about 10 different cop cars following me at some point.. not one seemed to give a crap..

Where did you get those Anton, german plates?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on January 07, 2009, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: ballin on January 06, 2009, 09:00:53 PM
Where did you get those Anton, german plates?

yup

had them on the car for ages..

one cop was right on my arse as well as i was driving thru the domain..

so he woul have got a good look at them...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on January 07, 2009, 09:03:20 AM
Hopefully the cops by now have realised that everyone they've pulled up were innocent drivers wanting to make their cars look better for a reasonable price and can't be bothered issuing tickets any more. Just watch out for those parking wardens in central Auckland!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: ----- on January 07, 2009, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: Ante on January 06, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
Ive been driving around all day today in a Car with Replica New Zealand Euros on..

Had about 10 different cop cars following me at some point.. not one seemed to give a crap..

might put mine back on this weekend
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on January 08, 2009, 08:45:42 AM
I'm not risking it yet :)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 08, 2009, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: oettinger76 on January 07, 2009, 07:43:58 PM
might put mine back on this weekend

+1  :-\
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on January 09, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
had no trouble with mine since the warning. don't leave it any where meter maidish though  :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 10, 2009, 07:35:13 AM
Quote from: gti vr6 on January 09, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
had no trouble with mine since the warning. don't leave it any where meter maidish though  :police:

Yep, i think that is the biggest problem, mine are now back on......
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: webreka on January 13, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
This problem has not gone away. My wife's SLK and my M-CLass both got ticketed today for having 'illegal' plates. No explanation from the officer, just a 'they're not legal'. Even more annoying because both this vehicles have got speed camera tickets recently so the plates are definitely legible.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on January 13, 2009, 04:17:36 PM
hmmm
if you get pulled over and the cop tries to strip you of your plates.. tell him to damn off..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on January 13, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: Ante on January 13, 2009, 04:17:36 PM
hmmm
if you get pulled over and the cop tries to strip you of your plates.. tell him to damn off..

Right on Anton - they are your personal property and it is not illegal to own them. They can confiscate your original plates if they are not displayed on the car.

I've had my German euros on for years and never had a problem although not spent much time in Auckland where most of the trouble seems to be occurring.

Cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on January 14, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
mine haven't been off.  but i am not parking in public if i can avoid it.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: nzdm on January 15, 2009, 10:36:03 PM
i was just wondering whether black plates with white letters are legal or not??
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on January 15, 2009, 10:41:09 PM
Would seem not... original black plates with silver letters are ok.  But since plates never came black with white letters, and it's illegal to modify a govt issued plate (and its illegal to run a non-govt issued plate) then the answer would have to be they're illegal
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SteveC on January 16, 2009, 09:13:37 AM

years ago I made up a custom silver on black square plate with the letters above the numbers, fitted neatly on the UK style number plate holder on the Citroen traction avant

never had any problems with the law, but I kept the original in the boot just in case
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on January 19, 2009, 02:40:50 PM
I rang up Personalised Plates last week to see whether I could downgrade one of my p/plates from Euro to Standard... apparently this costs $81.00 (admin fee) and then if you want to go return the plate to the Euro style you have to pay the full upgrade amount...

Needless to say I won't be doing that, I'll just leave the plate hanging on the shed wall until I get a euro plate recess bootlid!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Trofeo on January 19, 2009, 04:29:43 PM
I received my second response form the police last week and they still won't waive my $200 fine. Shall i try again?? 3rd time lucky??

Ignorance is not a legal defence. ie not knowing they were illegal, and seeing everyone else using them doesn't cut it. Bastids!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on January 21, 2009, 01:04:17 AM
I inquired to Plates about making my standard government issued registration personalised so that I could keep it if I were to get a new car; $299, what a joke..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on January 21, 2009, 05:35:54 PM
I got stung with a $200 parking fine for my black plates at the BDO. Anyone successfully evaded the fine? Sorry I havn't read this whole post.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 21, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
I had another tap on the shoulder by CID today so the standard ones are going back on tonight.... sock cuckers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on January 21, 2009, 07:26:02 PM
Dont you mean Sock Cuckers ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on January 22, 2009, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: VeeDub on January 21, 2009, 05:35:54 PM
I got stung with a $200 parking fine for my black plates at the BDO. Anyone successfully evaded the fine? Sorry I havn't read this whole post.

AK city wardens were out in force that day. Every single car was being checked. Not just plates, but regos and WOFs too. Be curious to see how profitable it was for them.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on January 22, 2009, 08:22:43 AM
Quote from: Pristle on January 22, 2009, 12:07:31 AM
AK city wardens were out in force that day. Every single car was being checked. Not just plates, but regos and WOFs too. Be curious to see how profitable it was for them.

They seem to have gone a hiring drive..

I see parking wardens everywhere in the CBD these days  >:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: robh on January 22, 2009, 09:20:59 AM
Quote from: Pristle on January 22, 2009, 12:07:31 AM
AK city wardens were out in force that day. Every single car was being checked. Not just plates, but regos and WOFs too. Be curious to see how profitable it was for them.

The plate thing annoys me, but I reckon if they catch people without Rego's and WOF's good stuff.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 22, 2009, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: robh on January 22, 2009, 09:20:59 AM
The plate thing annoys me, but I reckon if they catch people without Rego's and WOF's good stuff.

+1 million
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on January 22, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: robh on January 22, 2009, 09:20:59 AM
The plate thing annoys me, but I reckon if they catch people without Rego's and WOF's good stuff.



Within reason. The enforcement does not allow for discrimination between an drivable vehicle or not or what defines 'use' when issuing a citation, i.e. if I wheel the 200 out on to the road so I can get my 80 undercover to do some work, the vehicle is has the potential to attract a ticket, despite the fact that the front has been removed and the engine bay is empty. The vehicle is not in use nor is it drivable, yet it is still liable.

But then again you did say 'catch people', thereby implying 'in the act', as in driving, then I would agree with you. But then if it were a van parked outside BDO, it could be for other purposes than driving.........
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: dubstar on January 22, 2009, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: Pristle on January 22, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
But then if it were a van parked outside BDO, it could be for other purposes than driving.........

Like selling ice cream?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: DubMan on February 03, 2009, 05:33:36 PM
Bahhhh ive been pulled over for Elegal plates on my car! ....gave the coppa the pretty eyes and no fine but had to change them back to silly little NZ plates.....grrrr.....so went to the cop shop to talk to a policeperson to see if by anymeans posible if i can give my old plates in to the VtNz and have a cert for my german ones! ......nah no help just everybody say talk to these ppl and they send my here there and somewhere! .....finnaly got an email from somebody that has a clear picture of whats going on!

Thank you for your email dated 29 January 2009.



In respect to general issue registration plates, you must use those plates issued by any organisation authorised to do so by the Secretary of the Ministry of Transport.  This is provided in the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986, which states:



8     Issue of registration plates and certificates of registration



(6)  The Secretary may authorise any person (whether or not employed in the Ministry of Transport) to issue registration plates and certificates of registration under this section, and any such authorisation may?

a)       Include within the authorisation any employees or agents of the person principally authorised:

b)      Specify the manner in which the authority is to be exercised:

c)       Also be expressed to apply for the purposes of issuing substitute registration plates and duplicates of certificates of registration and duplicate personalised plates under section 15.



I have provided below a link to the above section of legislation:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM91440.html



The authorised issue of personalised registration plates is provided in Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986, which states:



9    Personalised registration plates



(2)  The Registrar may enter into a contract with any person entitling that person to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates.



(4)  There shall not be more than one contract under this section in force at any one time.



(5)  Where no contract is in force under this section, the Registrar shall be deemed to be the person for the time being entitled to dispose of the right to receive personalised registration plates.



I have provided below a link to the above section of legislation:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM91444.html



The responsibility is on you to display authorised plates in the proper way and although alternatives are common, they are in fact illegal.  By definition they are not ?registration plates? at all and anyone who uses them risks prosecution.



It is an offence to use a motor vehicle that displays any plate or item which could be mistaken for an authorised registration plate as vehicles are only permitted to display official plates as prescribed in Section 14 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 and Section 2(2) of the Transport (Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Notice 1995.



For your information, I have provided below links to these sections of legislation:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM91481.html

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1995/0136/latest/DLM201140.html



I hope this information is of assistance to you.



Kind Regards

Contact Response Team
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on February 03, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Wow , typical bureaucrat talk, really amazing
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on February 03, 2009, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: qta4 on February 03, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Wow , typical bureaucrat talk, really amazing

True enough Noel, but it had all the relevant information, was well referenced and polite - they clearly took the trouble to provide a well researched reply.
I was impressed.

The issue is clear - non-officially issued plates are illegal. Wear them at your own risk and don't bleat if you get pinged.
Yes it's irritating in the extreme that a monopoly has government protection and that that same government benefits financially from such protection but like a lot of laws/rules we disagree with, them's the rules - like it or lump it.

I'm still wearing mine  ;D ;D (touch wood)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on February 03, 2009, 08:23:02 PM
Sound like a protected industry to me, but then what else could they do, let the copy plates overcome the business. Makes me wonder if everything would turn pear shaped, i suspect it would
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GTI's on February 04, 2009, 08:23:05 AM
It needs to turn pear shape for Personalised Plates.
They charge way too much for a sub standard product.
And to charge extra when you are buying a plate anyway to make it Euro.
That's plain scamster material.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on February 04, 2009, 08:59:46 AM
I'd go so far as to suggest that P/Plates having noticed a drop in business (perceived perhaps, possibly because of belt tightening) countered by an increasing number of 'imported' plates, made a formal complaint higher up the food chain. Hence the police action.

These 'import' plates have been around for a few years now, with nary a batting of an eyelid. Until now that is.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: typ53 on February 04, 2009, 09:11:40 AM
They need to look again at their business model methinks. 

Make their Euro-plate option more affordable whilst retaining the 'premium' status of their product and I suspect they'd make a lot more money through higher volumes over the long term.  $300 or $400 odd extra for Euro-plates makes one think much harder about it than somewhere around $100-$150.  I bet many more people would think 'sod it, why not?' (or words to that effect) if it were significantly cheaper.

Still, we're all caught by the short and curlies right now.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on February 04, 2009, 10:13:32 AM
Back in the day when there were 'investment plates' (a con if ever I heard one) the higher prices might've been justified, but most people have, moved on.


EDIT: But you're right at $100, I might consider it. What would be great was if they introduced the option of silver-on-black as a 'retro' plate.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Turbo on February 04, 2009, 11:00:49 AM
i guess the govt has to protect a local manufacturing company. rather the money stayed here than go to germany. if you want to waste $300 on a bit of tin at least it stays in the economy. let's face it, they're not essential, it's not like they need to make them cheaper so everyone can afford them.
/2c.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on February 04, 2009, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Pristle on February 04, 2009, 10:13:32 AM
What would be great was if they introduced the option of silver-on-black as a 'retro' plate.

I don't think they should. It's one of the cool and distinctive things about an old car with original black plates. The appeal would be lessened if anyone could start slapping black plates on their car.
Although I'm a bit biased because I own 3 old cars with black plates. But to me, the original black "A" plates on my Impala, issued in 1964, are priceless compared to any personalised plate.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on February 04, 2009, 12:40:59 PM
My 80GTE also has a 'classic' black plate. What I'd love to do is go down and get a fresh looking silver-on-black replacement set, but I can't. Therein lies the root of my suggestion. Because legally speaking I can't even paint them up to look fresh.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on February 04, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
Ahh, that is a good idea! Would be great if you could exchange your old worn black plates for some identical new black ones.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on February 05, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
I do laugh when I see the p/plates euro plates..

& all the flag, & fern part have faded out, they look horrible

They charge a fortune for a bit of tin, & its crap quality

I would be pissed off if I paid $400, & they looked like that after a year or 2
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on February 05, 2009, 08:53:05 AM
I notice they've now started offering an option of a Skoda badge on the right.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on February 05, 2009, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on February 05, 2009, 08:53:05 AM
I notice they've now started offering an option of a Skoda badge on the right.
At what cost?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on February 05, 2009, 10:14:39 AM
On the Euro plate - so 599 for the sort of plate I'd want.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on February 05, 2009, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: RobClubley on February 05, 2009, 08:53:05 AM
I notice they've now started offering an option of a Skoda badge on the right.


Check out the price, its EXTRA I think and not a little bit....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on February 05, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
I think you're right - you get the buy now option with a standard europlate but not with the logo added.

Every f*&#ng opportunity to add more cost. Grr.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: KiwiC4S on February 05, 2009, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: X 130R on February 05, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
& all the flag, & fern part have faded out, they look horrible...

I would be pissed off if I paid $400, & they looked like that after a year or 2

Would be grounds for a claim under the Consumer Guarantees Act I would think; need to be fit for purpose and the extra they charge is specifically for the bits don't last as long as they should.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on February 07, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: X 130R on February 05, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
I do laugh when I see the p/plates euro plates..

& all the flag, & fern part have faded out, they look horrible

They charge a fortune for a bit of tin, & its crap quality

I would be pissed off if I paid $400, & they looked like that after a year or 2

i asked about this in an email to p/plates questioning the quality of their product with an attached image of an audi i saw with hideously faded logos/ferns and the dude said that it was, quote - what happens when you clean your car with degreaser......
sounds like a whole bunch of crap to me, and that he was just fishing for an answer to sell me $800 worth of plates
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on February 07, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: tonka_nz on February 07, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
i asked about this in an email to p/plates questioning the quality of their product with an attached image of an audi i saw with hideously faded logos/ferns and the dude said that it was, quote - what happens when you clean your car with degreaser......
sounds like a whole bunch of s**t to me, and that he was just fishing for an answer to sell me $800 worth of plates


What a crock.... Are these sales people born to bullsh*t or what?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Angle on February 08, 2009, 08:56:15 AM
I though everyone cleaned their car with degreaser  ??? or oven cleaner  ???
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SteveC on February 08, 2009, 03:24:04 PM

I've just been checking the price for a simple replacement of a two letter four numeral plate, like for like from PPlates . . . 

$399.00  at least the robbers have the decency to include GST in their prices

next port of call is the AA to see if you can get a replacement plate direct from LTNZ, not hopeful though
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on February 09, 2009, 12:42:50 AM
Surely Licensys (http://licensyscom.web139.discountasp.net/LocationsNZ.aspx) should be able to help?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on February 10, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
you cant replace standard plates
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: DubMan on February 10, 2009, 06:24:10 PM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on February 10, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
you cant replace standard plates
Thats correct, i work at a panel beaters and when a plate is so badly damged and cant be streightnd the we tell the customer to take both there original plates to the vtnz and they issue you new plates with new registration on it! i dont know if there is a cost .....?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GlenT on February 10, 2009, 07:04:20 PM
I had new standard plates issued for one of our cars it cost about $14 including change of ownership.
But just before that I had some issued for a car we were selling (it had a PPlate which I kept) and the fee was something like $1.50. Hardly worth the paer work.
Either way, it's parking money.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on February 10, 2009, 09:20:07 PM
Cost me $14.45 to remove my personalised plate and issue new standard plates for my old Bora in late December '08
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on February 11, 2009, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: Mk2unoT on February 10, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
you cant replace standard plates

I'm sure you could buy personalised plates with your original standard number - cheap option?  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on February 11, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
IIRC it was $399 to do that - same as buying a PPlate
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on February 11, 2009, 11:33:15 AM
Quotegeneral purpose $399.00

Don't want your plate to "say" anything but want a fresh look for your car? Then get your existing standard government issue plate remade in one of our Fashion style options.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on February 11, 2009, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Audidude on February 11, 2009, 11:25:28 AM
I'm sure you could buy personalised plates with your original standard number - cheap option?  ::)

yep you can do that, as Rob says $399 thank you very kindly
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on February 25, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
I was pulled over by a cop today - can't be bothered going into all the funny details of the experience, but here it is in a nutshell.

Told me that my plates were illegal because they weren't issued by VTNZ. Only plates which have been issued by VTNZ are legal. I got a VTNZ WOF about 2 weeks ago with my black euro plates on. This is a bit of a contradiction if ever i've seen one! Let me off the fine, but I still have a $200 parking warden fine to pay. Maybe this is a good point to argue?

Not sure if something like this has been posted before - 46 pages is too long.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: curts on February 25, 2009, 04:54:59 PM
had my black plates for close to a year now off germanplates.com and have gone through wof's etc no problems and have gone though police stops too.  Weird, i think im the only one that hasnt had issues.


again, 46pages is too long to read to see if im double posting ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on February 25, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
Had mine on since I bought the car in Jan 2006, and also ran some on the S3 for a couple of years - never had a problem. Touch a renewable sustainable resource.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on February 25, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
It would be interesting to do a demographic test on this subject, i suspect Audidude is the demographic that does not look the type that steals cars,and get German plates to cover his tracks, or maybe his car doesnt fit the profile, or maybe he does not spend enough time in Auckland during daylight hours.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: chis on February 25, 2009, 09:25:07 PM
agreed, wonder if, unfortunately, your societal profile has anything to do with this
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on February 25, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
has anyone thought of just putting black tape or similar over the blue part and adding some red stars?? At a glance if done well, it wouldn't be picked out... I might get onto this...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on February 25, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
I've had one warning and no trouble since. Plates on over a year now too...

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on February 25, 2009, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: VeeDub on February 25, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
I was pulled over by a cop today - can't be bothered going into all the funny details of the experience, but here it is in a nutshell.

Told me that my plates were illegal because they weren't issued by VTNZ. Only plates which have been issued by VTNZ are legal. I got a VTNZ WOF about 2 weeks ago with my black euro plates on. This is a bit of a contradiction if ever i've seen one! Let me off the fine, but I still have a $200 parking warden fine to pay. Maybe this is a good point to argue?

Not sure if something like this has been posted before - 46 pages is too long.



Yes argue with them, i did with Northshore city council and got off, tell them they were on the vehicle when you bought it, plead ignorance and show them a reciept for your wof at a VTNZ testing station and they will have a hard time following it through in a court
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on February 25, 2009, 10:24:55 PM
Quote from: gti vr6 on February 25, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
I've had one warning and no trouble since. Plates on over a year now too...



yeah...i'm not that lucky it seems...black guy not driving a beaten up japper...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on February 25, 2009, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Poonmobile on February 25, 2009, 10:24:55 PM
yeah...i'm not that lucky it seems...black guy not driving a beaten up japper...

I sense a slight tinge of sarcasm there......
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on February 25, 2009, 11:48:47 PM
My Dad got pinged earlier this week. Has blue nz flag replicas.
He was at BP when a cop pulled in to fill up, she came over and said do you know your plates are illegal, pointing things out, explaining why etc..

Cut a long story short, she said she would report his rego number to LTSA (or whatever it's called these days) and they might send him a letter saying he might have to change them.

No fine, didn't even say he had to change them, pretty much just alerted him to the fact the plates are illegal
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: curts on February 26, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
i have replicated the 'legit' nz euro plates with the correct font and logos etc on illustrator and have some plates made up the the regulation size.  If i ever get pulled up i plan to have them made as stickers and stick them onto the plates i have made.  They will look legit up until someone gets riiiight up close to inspect ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SteveC on February 26, 2009, 03:56:52 PM

there's a Daimler limo that cruises past the office (same company runs a Rolls Corniche) but the thing has an UK style black on yellow plate on the back with the letter prefix, three digits, three letters UK number on it, wonder if he gets pulled over? 
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HandsomeDan on February 26, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
That is often parked at Sky City - they run a posh limo service with a couple of English cars.

I've often wondered the same thing...do they get busted or do they have a blind eye turned because it's obvious they are a business that's thriving from the British Aristocratic look.

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: old4130 on February 26, 2009, 10:00:12 PM
Quote from: jasoncordelle on February 26, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
That is often parked at Sky City - they run a posh limo service with a couple of English cars.

I've often wondered the same thing...do they get busted or do they have a blind eye turned because it's obvious they are a business that's thriving from the British Aristocratic look.

I have seen that too, & wondered also..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: beeker on February 27, 2009, 03:31:14 AM
Quote from: qta4 on February 25, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
It would be interesting to do a demographic test on this subject, i suspect Audidude is the demographic that does not look the type that steals cars,and get German plates to cover his tracks, or maybe his car doesnt fit the profile, or maybe he does not spend enough time in Auckland during daylight hours.

Dont think so. I'm certainly not as old as greg!! but cacthing up... and i got pinged and they DIDNT let me off the $200 fine.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on February 27, 2009, 06:22:14 AM
Quote from: beeker on February 27, 2009, 03:31:14 AM
Dont think so. I'm certainly not as old as greg!! but cacthing up... and i got pinged and they DIDNT let me off the $200 fine.

Dodgy, dodgy.............. :police: :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SteveC on February 27, 2009, 10:57:23 AM
Quote from: SteveC on February 26, 2009, 03:56:52 PM
there's a Daimler limo that cruises past the office (same company runs a Rolls Corniche) but the thing has an UK style black on yellow plate on the back with the letter prefix, three digits, three letters UK number on it, wonder if he gets pulled over? 

black on white, full UK seven digit front plate
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: vag_nutter on January 17, 2010, 07:59:01 PM
Now 25 demerits for plate offences

QuoteProvide for the issuing of 25 demerit points for registration plate offences

Includes displaying unauthorised (false or stolen), deceptive or obscured plates.
This provision will apply to all motorists involved in registration plate offences, not just those who are involved in illegal street racing.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/legislation/acts/enforcementpowersact/
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: mjh on January 17, 2010, 08:09:21 PM
Not good for a lot of Ferrari, Porsche owners etc that use stickers!!!!  Great to see the Police targeting "REAL"criminals.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: nordschleife on January 17, 2010, 08:33:54 PM
The Police really want us to hate them don't they...  What a waste of time and resources.

Meanwhile a taxi driver had a gun pulled on him here in Napier as his passenger didn't want to pay the single digit fare.  There also seems to be an increase in graffiti around here too (or it could just be that I've started noticing since I've got a new fence) - cops must be too busy handing out tickets to address these crimes.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: qta4 on January 17, 2010, 08:40:29 PM
VW Golf GTI - Track Car
VW Golf GTI - Road Car
BMW ///M5 - Drive Car
Skoda Fabia vRS - Wife's Car

Haven't seen this for a while ?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: nordschleife on January 17, 2010, 08:56:18 PM
Hi Noel!

I got it out of hibernation over the Christmas / New Year period.  Its now wof'd and reg'd and I just have a few issues to sort before its next track outing - it runs on when hot, there is a leak from the gearbox and the rev counter sometimes stops working.  Once I've sorted those I'll be back into track mode :)

I'm also going to paint the engine bay black as some of the paint is pretty grotty.

Don't worry, its still very much alive and kicking.

Cheers

Matt
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on January 17, 2010, 09:32:25 PM
Wow so Driving Convoy is illegal now...

fantastic..

Empowering road controlling authorities to make bylaws prohibiting ?cruising?

?Cruising? is the repeated driving of motor vehicles along a section of road in a way that draws attention to the noise or power of the vehicle?s engine or which creates a convoy that impedes traffic flow.

even more fuel now for young speedsters not to stop when then bacon brigade is in pursuit
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: phil on January 17, 2010, 11:21:49 PM
I got a letter in the mail the other day from the LTSA regarding my illegal plates. Because the police passed on my details to them after they pulled me over the other week for them.

To bigger risk now - the original black plates are back on the car.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Pristle on January 17, 2010, 11:31:54 PM
You'd swear we were in the UK.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on January 18, 2010, 06:38:09 AM
Quote from: ranton on January 17, 2010, 09:32:25 PM
Wow so Driving Convoy is illegal now...


Strict application of that law will outlaw funeral processions. Especially if they exhibit deliberate loss of traction  :D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on March 16, 2010, 07:54:51 AM
I had to bring this back from the dead to show you all the corrado that now complies. "nah nah miss, the duct tape is just on there while the glue dries.."

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on March 16, 2010, 08:06:55 AM
Classy!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: nordschleife on March 16, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
I've had a bit of a win and managed to get some legal euro plates on my M5 for $32.25.

Here's what happened.  My boss bought a car for his girlfriend which had BMW europlates on it of about the same era as my car.  He then put a P/Plate on it making the previous europlates redundant.  I was then given the europlates.  For $32.25 I had them remade (the front one was a bit dented and they had screw holes in them) and couriered to my house.  This included a new rego sticker and updating the motor vehicle register with my "new" plate number - ie more work for the government than would have been done if I paid the money and converted my existing plate to a euro plate, yet a fraction of the cost.  Now I've got genuine europlates and P/Plates doesn't have any of my money :)

I wonder how many euro plates have been binned when new owners put a P/Plate on?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on March 16, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: nordschleife on March 16, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
I've had a bit of a win and managed to get some legal euro plates on my M5 for $32.25.

Here's what happened.  My boss bought a car for his girlfriend which had BMW europlates on it of about the same era as my car.  He then put a P/Plate on it making the previous europlates redundant.  I was then given the europlates.  For $32.25 I had them remade (the front one was a bit dented and they had screw holes in them) and couriered to my house.  This included a new rego sticker and updating the motor vehicle register with my "new" plate number - ie more work for the government than would have been done if I paid the money and converted my existing plate to a euro plate, yet a fraction of the cost.  Now I've got genuine europlates and P/Plates doesn't have any of my money :)

I wonder how many euro plates have been binned when new owners put a P/Plate on?

That's lucky, not often i'd imagine that would happen! I was given another infringement notice for mine (2nd one) but if I changed them within two weeks and had them sighted by the police they would scrap the infringement. The pictures above show the 'legal' plates duct taped to the car.. But when they saw the original plates they questioned the lettering on them and said 'i'm just going to sign them off because I can't be bothered making another call' They are legal NZ plates but the police didn't recognise them as such?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 1.8t on March 16, 2010, 10:58:38 AM
Still have my D plate on the front, removed the rear one because of where I park now. Car looks a bit dull without them!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: polo_GTI on March 16, 2010, 11:46:46 AM
Yeah... I know. I had it on my car since July 2007... never taken it off. Removed the 'eagle stickers' from the plates, as they make it more pronounced than already what it is. I do have all letters in my plate, so they do look quite similar in terms of font to the original plates.

I love the plates, and been lucky so far, but I know that I will probably get caught at some stage.... Can't really afford $399 for Euro plates at the moment, and there is no way for me to go back to standard plates....

Might make it to 3 years.... fingers crossed!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
What a joke

Just bought a pair of plates from germanplates.com standard Blue Euro with the german D
Will see how it goes... might actually get a sign shop to sticker a "NZ" over the "D"

Re: the 25 demerit points, if you read carefully you'll see that neither of those mentioned conditions would apply

ps: i really don't get why the cops should pull over the D style Euro plate when plates.co.nz offer plates like this now..
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiforce.co.nz%2Fi%2F4aixlp2i.jpg&hash=97d2e5226dcd130d8727ed43b95075d93138ec6a)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: flying on May 20, 2010, 03:15:33 PM
you can get the NZ euro plates from germanplates.com, while they arent exactly the same they are close enough, ive had them on my car for a few months now and not a problem yet..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: polo_GTI on May 20, 2010, 09:24:14 PM
I just put on stupid black NZ euro plates last night.
Got pulled over by a cop who followed me all the way from Grafton...
It's all to make $$$
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: polo_GTI on May 20, 2010, 09:24:14 PM
I just put on stupid black NZ euro plates last night.
Got pulled over by a cop who followed me all the way from Grafton...
It's all to make $$$

come again? so you put on legal NZ black euro plates? or what? can't really understand what plates you're saying u had on
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on May 20, 2010, 10:10:05 PM
if i have a europlate from pplates and stick on a euro plate "D" would they still pull me up?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 10:11:07 PM
no idea, they might, but then, the real question you should be asking is,
what law says you can't have a sticker on your license plate?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: polo_GTI on May 20, 2010, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 09:25:20 PM
come again? so you put on legal NZ black euro plates? or what? can't really understand what plates you're saying u had on

Purchased legal plates last week... :-( I can't be stuffed having to worry about plates and all...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
oh okay, but what kind of plate did you have on when they pulled you over? the standard germanplates.com euro with "D" ?
and how much fine?
have you had any prior warnings?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: ----- on May 20, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
might actually get a sign shop to sticker a "NZ" over the "D"
(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiforce.co.nz%2Fi%2F4aixlp2i.jpg&hash=97d2e5226dcd130d8727ed43b95075d93138ec6a)

german plates use to make plates with the proper NZ stars and fern a couple of years ago but got the hard word from the plates guys here in NZ to stop manufacturing them. Only thing different was the font. i had one of these plates on and yes i got a warning.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on May 20, 2010, 10:30:27 PM
;D

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=291467704
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: veedubman on May 21, 2010, 09:45:34 AM
O.T. Ginger?  :P (over the top ninja?)

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: polo_GTI on May 21, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: fatjoez on May 20, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
oh okay, but what kind of plate did you have on when they pulled you over? the standard germanplates.com euro with "D" ?
and how much fine?
have you had any prior warnings?

Had germanplates D euro plates. Had them on for 3 years now. First warning, pulled over by a cop, realised that I was working still (was on call from hospital)... had to make them wait in pouring rain outside for about 10 mins while I was on the phone. Senior office came out to talk to me, but went back in the car, and another cop told me that, these are not legal plates and should be changed. Apparently he could fine me, but just asked me 'nicely' to order new ones tomorrow. I did play dumb, and told them that I got them as a present so I didn't know anything about it. Only one warning, but didn't want to worry about it anymore... so there.... $299 for black euro.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: phil on December 06, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
I used to roll the German plates, took them off a few months back after getting pulled over twice..talked/lied my way out both times didn't want to chance a 3rd.

Anyway....different story...Today I go through a police WOF/Reg checkpoint on the St Lukes onramp. Two police eye the Golf up and down...yep WOF and Reg all up to date. Then they decide to tell me that I'd painted my plates black, and they were illegal.

"No officer, these are the original black metal plates that came on cars pre 1985"
" No sir, compare your plates to those on that car over there ( new car) - they are black lettering on white, yours are silver on black...you've painted them, and they are illegal"

Anyway...conversation goes back and forth on like this for a while, till they both eventually agree and wave me through.

I mean WTF !!...were they born yesterday !!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 07, 2010, 07:05:04 AM
Quote from: phil on December 06, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
I used to roll the German plates, took them off a few months back after getting pulled over twice..talked/lied my way out both times didn't want to chance a 3rd.

Anyway....different story...Today I go through a police WOF/Reg checkpoint on the St Lukes onramp. Two police eye the Golf up and down...yep WOF and Reg all up to date. Then they decide to tell me that I'd painted my plates black, and they were illegal.

"No officer, these are the original black metal plates that came on cars pre 1985"
" No sir, compare your plates to those on that car over there ( new car) - they are black lettering on white, yours are silver on black...you've painted them, and they are illegal"

Anyway...conversation goes back and forth on like this for a while, till they both eventually agree and wave me through.

I mean WTF !!...were they born yesterday !!

The must have been born post 1986 ;)

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on December 07, 2010, 07:30:37 AM
Quote from: phil on December 06, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
I used to roll the German plates, took them off a few months back after getting pulled over twice..talked/lied my way out both times didn't want to chance a 3rd.

Anyway....different story...Today I go through a police WOF/Reg checkpoint on the St Lukes onramp. Two police eye the Golf up and down...yep WOF and Reg all up to date. Then they decide to tell me that I'd painted my plates black, and they were illegal.

"No officer, these are the original black metal plates that came on cars pre 1985"
" No sir, compare your plates to those on that car over there ( new car) - they are black lettering on white, yours are silver on black...you've painted them, and they are illegal"

Anyway...conversation goes back and forth on like this for a while, till they both eventually agree and wave me through.

I mean WTF !!...were they born yesterday !!

Prob Gen Y - they never wrong  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: mjh on December 07, 2010, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: phil on December 06, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
I used to roll the German plates, took them off a few months back after getting pulled over twice..talked/lied my way out both times didn't want to chance a 3rd.

Anyway....different story...Today I go through a police WOF/Reg checkpoint on the St Lukes onramp. Two police eye the Golf up and down...yep WOF and Reg all up to date. Then they decide to tell me that I'd painted my plates black, and they were illegal.

"No officer, these are the original black metal plates that came on cars pre 1985"
" No sir, compare your plates to those on that car over there ( new car) - they are black lettering on white, yours are silver on black...you've painted them, and they are illegal"

Anyway...conversation goes back and forth on like this for a while, till they both eventually agree and wave me through.

I mean WTF !!...were they born yesterday !!

RETARDS!!!!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on December 07, 2010, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: phil on December 06, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
I used to roll the German plates, took them off a few months back after getting pulled over twice..talked/lied my way out both times didn't want to chance a 3rd.

Anyway....different story...Today I go through a police WOF/Reg checkpoint on the St Lukes onramp. Two police eye the Golf up and down...yep WOF and Reg all up to date. Then they decide to tell me that I'd painted my plates black, and they were illegal.

"No officer, these are the original black metal plates that came on cars pre 1985"
" No sir, compare your plates to those on that car over there ( new car) - they are black lettering on white, yours are silver on black...you've painted them, and they are illegal"

Anyway...conversation goes back and forth on like this for a while, till they both eventually agree and wave me through.

I mean WTF !!...were they born yesterday !!

What a pack of class A drongos.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: M M on December 07, 2010, 10:09:30 AM
Just saw this thread now. I was wondering how people had the D german plates. Always saw a nice older bmw with them near my house. I think he still has them on. I hate the nz ones with the fern and everything, ruins the whole look of euro in my opinion.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Albacol on December 08, 2010, 09:14:59 AM
I'm a bit confused so apologies - my plates are a bit of a mess and I wanted some clean new ones. If i go to the lates.co site and look at a remake it implies I am going from a govt issued plate to a pp - when all i want is my current plates remade ?
I've got a PP anyway for the business but I don;t put it on my own car  :laugh:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Simon MkII on December 08, 2010, 10:32:05 AM
You can't get standard issue plates remade, but you can hand in your old ones and they can give you new ones. Unfortunately this means you also get a new rego number.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Albacol on December 08, 2010, 10:38:06 AM
That's what I thought ( I ripped a plate off a previous car and ended up with a new rego) - thanks.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on December 08, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
you can get your existing plates 'euro-d' if you want to keep the rego
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Albacol on December 08, 2010, 10:53:34 AM
I'd rather give the $499 to a worthy charity in all honesty  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on December 08, 2010, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: Albacol on December 08, 2010, 10:53:34 AM
I'd rather give the $499 to a worthy charity in all honesty  ;D

QFT!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: M M on December 08, 2010, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: Albacol on December 08, 2010, 10:53:34 AM
I'd rather give the $499 to a worthy charity in all honesty  ;D

X2.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: EVLC36 on December 08, 2010, 01:16:20 PM
Got pinged after about a month of owning the Benz.... interesting since I had been pulled over prior for no reason (must have thought I was a drug dealer  ;D) and they were not mentioned then.

Wouldn't hear the excuse of ignorance, prev owner put them on etc, even though it was actually true (well the just bought it prev owner part anyway)!!

Ended up shelling out for black fern NZ plates, not worth the hassle....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Audidude on December 08, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Tom on December 08, 2010, 01:16:20 PM
Got pinged after about a month of owning the Benz.... interesting since I had been pulled over prior for no reason (must have thought I was a drug dealer  ;D) and they were not mentioned then.

Wouldn't hear the excuse of ignorance, prev owner put them on etc, even though it was actually true (well the just bought it prev owner part anyway)!!

Ended up shelling out for black fern NZ plates, not worth the hassle....

Same.

Fortunately got a warning, not pinged. Stll bloody annoying that the local manufacturer is essentially a cartel in cahoots with the gumint and the Comm Commission doesn't care. YOU try doing that!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: flying on December 09, 2010, 01:30:58 AM
Ran into the Numberplate Nazi himself this afternoon.. A highway patrol cop who reckoned he was in charge of ridding NZ of the counterfeit plates, he even brought up a spreadsheet of cars' regos that had been warned or fined in his patrol car.  Having been warned before he certainly wasn't letting me off the hook, and $200 and 25 demerits later we were back on our way!  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on December 09, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
I'm going to buy the euro version of my standard plate me thinks, I can then carry that with me onto any other car. So question is do I look for a 'cooler' set of numbers before I commit? At the mo I have EYBxxx
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on December 09, 2010, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: flying on December 09, 2010, 01:30:58 AM
Ran into the Numberplate Nazi himself this afternoon.. A highway patrol cop who reckoned he was in charge of ridding NZ of the counterfeit plates, he even brought up a spreadsheet of cars' regos that had been warned or fined in his patrol car.  Having been warned before he certainly wasn't letting me off the hook, and $200 and 2 demerits later we were back on our way!  >:(

Must be my old mate! Contstable McCormick or something like that..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: HaNs on December 09, 2010, 09:18:11 AM
Cant wait for my new black euro plates, should be fun  >:D :police:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on December 09, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: Poonmobile on December 09, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
I'm going to buy the euro version of my standard plate me thinks, I can then carry that with me onto any other car. So question is do I look for a 'cooler' set of numbers before I commit? At the mo I have EYBxxx

pick some cheap random ones from trademe for under the cost of PP's. there are enough choices there to find something that would fit!  :D :laugh:
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on December 09, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
I bought 'V6 VW' off TM as an NZ Euro plate with the VW logo instead of the fern for less than half of the RRP from 'plates'.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on December 09, 2010, 06:38:29 PM
Quote from: rambo_005 on December 09, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
I bought 'V6 VW' off TM as an NZ Euro plate with the VW logo instead of the fern for less than half of the RRP from 'plates'.

i also got "gti 20v" cheap on tm too
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: GTI's on December 09, 2010, 07:35:07 PM
I got conti  euro plates off JC 
carjams to an ed 30  >:D >:D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 00quattro00 on December 09, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
You could allways find an old car with black plates and have them made as personalised plates and then transfr them to what ever car
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on December 12, 2010, 11:24:29 AM
anyone know how much it is to have your;

standard into euro and;
euro remade

cheers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on December 12, 2010, 11:26:42 AM
go on the website www.plates.co.nz

$399 for euro upgrade
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on December 12, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
And euro remade is something like $30 - it's on their website too


Edit: and the cost of getting them remade shows how rediculous it is that they charge $300+ for them in the first place...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: B5Passat on January 18, 2011, 10:39:34 AM
Damn it got fined 200 yesterday.
Should never have parked on a semi busy road.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on January 18, 2011, 12:51:08 PM
The parking wardens are worse than the cops! At least the cops sometimes let you off.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on January 18, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
Are parking wardens giving out tickets for them too?
Oh bugger, i've just bought a set of German plates ready for mine, its ok though, i never go anywhere that is city bound or parking warden friendly
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on January 18, 2011, 01:54:04 PM
why risk it?  ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: phil on January 18, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: Poonmobile on January 18, 2011, 01:54:04 PM
why risk it?  ::)

Agreed...mine are gathering dust under the house now. I jsut don't think the high chances of getting a $200 fine is worth the look anymore.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on January 18, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
Yeah mine are screwed to the garage wall now. Shame :(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Omes on January 18, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
Same, my black and silver plates I had made for my mk2 are now hanging on the garage wall after a cop gave me a warning. The digit '4' wasnt the right font. Fair enough I said.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: flying on January 18, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
Another run in with Constable McAllister again today and the german plates are off... thats 50 demerits from him in a month or so, not to mention the fines.  He reckons he's been harassing a guy with a white E30 in Onehunga and pulled him up 4 times now - goodbye license for 3 months.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on January 18, 2011, 09:33:54 PM
yep mine are pinned to the wall, on the plus side picked up a bmw "special issue" plate off tm for 200 for the 5 series....score

as others have said why bother now.....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: M M on January 18, 2011, 10:28:48 PM
Quote from: flying on January 18, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
Another run in with Constable McAllister again today and the german plates are off... thats 50 demerits from him in a month or so, not to mention the fines.  He reckons he's been harassing a guy with a white E30 in Onehunga and pulled him up 4 times now - goodbye license for 3 months.

I think I know that BMW, seen it parked near my house all the time with the German plates. Thats a shame. That plate law is such a scam.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on January 18, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: flying on January 18, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
Another run in with Constable McAllister again today and the german plates are off... thats 50 demerits from him in a month or so, not to mention the fines.  He reckons he's been harassing a guy with a white E30 in Onehunga and pulled him up 4 times now - goodbye license for 3 months.

What a f*cking joke! That guy is such a Nazi, tried to pull my plates off there and then bending sh!t left right and centre! Losing your licence for displaying your correct licence plate in the incorrect font is such a f*cking joke. I feel sorry for the guy but he should have learnt not to f*ck with the 5.0 after the first few times! You just gotta play their game at the end of the day. Once McAllister is locked on to you dude it's not worth it - ditch the plates! He came looking for me at my old place of work 3 days in a row!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: flying on January 19, 2011, 01:18:28 AM
Yeah, he spotted me from a mile off on the other side of the rd and lit me up straight away.  Think I'll keep the license over the number plates!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: polo_GTI on January 19, 2011, 10:18:27 AM
Bet he works for personalised plates... >:(
surprising he does not hand out his referral card to the www.plates.co.nz...
put special code 'allister' you donate $200 towards me...

waste of resources...
idiots.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on January 20, 2011, 03:42:05 PM
Well I got these within 5 days of ordering and at a 10th of the price of a kiwi one:

(https://www.vask.org.nz/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi84.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk36%2Fclivesellers%2FY0RKI.jpg&hash=ee8e1b02ed41428b1955c9e76c4b28c5d4fb7fe3)

I'm going to run the risk until the first ticket i reckon.
I hardly use the car so chances are slimmer than most (famous last words!!!)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on January 20, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
Small things you can do would be black out the gap in the '0' and white out some of the base of the 'I' to make them a little less obvious.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: KiwiC4S on January 20, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: VeeDub on January 20, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
Small things you can do would be black out the gap in the '0' and white out some of the base of the 'I' to make them a little less obvious.

Think that's a zero so would need the diagonal through it as well. 
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: CBRT on May 13, 2011, 09:27:30 AM
I was looking for something else on the commerce commision website and came across this

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/anti-competitive-practices-authorisations-register/detail/469

I wonder why it was withdrawn?  :police: :-\ :-X and why is it still there after 1989??? strange so i made a quick call and they ask me to go through the official information act for specific details................
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on May 13, 2011, 09:44:42 AM
very strange.....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 00quattro00 on May 13, 2011, 05:50:28 PM
Cost me $499 for my black plates, and got a euro plate as well
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on May 30, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
Look's like the games up for me..  :police:

Pulled over last month, really nice cop, got a warning (ignored it of course!)
Pulled over again today, dickhead of a cop, wanted to rip them off my car on the stop to 'destroy them'. Managed to talk him out of it saying it would take my paint with it. I have 14 days to send photos to Wellington showing I comply, or the fine sticks.

Only $100 though, normally $200?

Oh well I had a good run... 3.5 yaers
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 00quattro00 on May 30, 2011, 09:34:38 PM
Quote from: coons on May 30, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
Look's like the games up for me..  :police:

Pulled over last month, really nice cop, got a warning (ignored it of course!)
Pulled over again today, dickhead of a cop, wanted to rip them off my car on the stop to 'destroy them'. Managed to talk him out of it saying it would take my paint with it. I have 14 days to send photos to Wellington showing I comply, or the fine sticks.

Only $100 though, normally $200?

Oh well I had a good run... 3.5 yaers

Yea but now theres 20 or 25 demerit points with it >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: SilverS4 on May 30, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
So how do others with these plates seem to get away with this, or are they just not getting caught, or paying the fines?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 00quattro00 on May 30, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: C on May 30, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
So how do others with these plates seem to get away with this, or are they just not getting caught, or paying the fines?

You just need to about the right way
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on May 30, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
You just get lucky and don't get caught - worked for me for almost 4 years, up until last month
And if you do get caught, you try and wave as many fines and warnings as you can until you just give in!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: slowmo on May 30, 2011, 09:58:59 PM
anyone in welly get pinged yet?

i've spotted a couple running german plates, one with a GB plate (white and yellow) and 'polish' plates.

maybe it's an auckland thing?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: rambo_005 on May 30, 2011, 10:55:14 PM
Quote from: slowmo on May 30, 2011, 09:58:59 PM
maybe it's an auckland thing?

I think so, my Dad's old VR6 has had German plates on for 5 years now, no issues at all to date.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: tonka on May 30, 2011, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: coons on May 30, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
Look's like the games up for me..  :police:

Are you taking them off?

Look at it as a fee to have them on, not a fine  ;)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: flying on May 31, 2011, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: coons on May 30, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
Look's like the games up for me..  :police:

Pulled over last month, really nice cop, got a warning (ignored it of course!)
Pulled over again today, dickhead of a cop, wanted to rip them off my car on the stop to 'destroy them'. Managed to talk him out of it saying it would take my paint with it. I have 14 days to send photos to Wellington showing I comply, or the fine sticks.

Only $100 though, normally $200?

Oh well I had a good run... 3.5 yaers

sounds like old mate McCallister strikes again!
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on May 31, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
Didn't catch his last name, but first name Keiren. Like late 30's, kinda lanky. Based at Harbour Bridge station
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: phil on May 31, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
I would like to know if the Ferrari drivers who tend to like the little sticker style ' plate' on the front of their cars get on......do they get pulled over as well as surely they are also illegal.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bsting on May 31, 2011, 12:15:43 PM
Purchasing offshore plates with a 'D' or another nations flag, instead of getting plain white or black style, hasnt helped the cause much.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: VeeDub on May 31, 2011, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: coons on May 31, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
Didn't catch his last name, but first name Keiren. Like late 30's, kinda lanky. Based at Harbour Bridge station

Definitely sounds like c*ntstable McCallister! I had his card somewhere for that photo I was supposed to send him..
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: fast4motion on May 31, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
I would like to know if the Ferrari drivers who tend to like the little sticker style ' plate' on the front of their cars get on......do they get pulled over as well as surely they are also illegal.

I think there was a guy on here with a Lotus who was pulled over a few times for having a sticker.

But that should change soon, because according to a NZ Vintage Car Club newsletter:
"A number plate to be fixed to the front of a motor vehicle may be in the form of an adhesive label. The adhesive label must be an official item supplied only by an appointed manufacturer. These adhesive labels may not be available to purchase until later this year when manufacturing processes are finalised and equipment become available."
There's also new rules regarding keeping your old black plates.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Skilfil on May 31, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Interesting, are the stick on plates only applicable to vintage cars or can they be on everyday normal cars?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on May 31, 2011, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: fast4motion on May 31, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
I think there was a guy on here with a Lotus who was pulled over a few times for having a sticker.

I did have a Lotus and was warned to remove the stick-on
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: NZDoug on March 27, 2012, 07:47:27 AM
My wife got a phone call at 10 pm last nite, and this email

Good evening Glenda,
 
Further to our telephone conversation I require a photograph to be emailed once the number plates are removed.
 
At this stage no enforcement action will be taken but I do require the plates to be replaced in the short term ?
 
Any questions please don't hesitate.
 
Kind regards,
 
 
Andrew McAllister           
Sergeant
Section 1
  Auckland Motorway Unit
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Y0RKI on March 27, 2012, 08:18:47 AM
He's a bloody menace!
One man tyraid against the good old German Plate
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on March 27, 2012, 09:18:00 AM
10pm!!!??? WTF?

Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: coons on March 27, 2012, 09:58:04 AM
Andrew McAlister, he's the (insert word of choice here) driving it...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: ranton-inc on March 27, 2012, 10:16:53 AM
Probably a VASK member too lol

I dont see how the German plates are harming anyone

I would tell Young Officer McAllister to go Save lives and stop people from bashing their Wives and Children

Better Work stories everyone....
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Albacol on March 27, 2012, 11:37:00 AM
I was stopped in Wgtn by a chap one morning in my 993. It actually had a proper plate but also had a sticker one under it. I took the normal plate off for some reason and assumed the sticker would be sufficient. Now, I am a reasonable person but the beautiful officer that stopped me got himself worked up a wee bit about it - it was like a major crime to him. My dispassionate, non emotional, factual questioning which was well intentioned almost blew him to pieces. I had to complain about him officially. I wonder what the police selection process is sometimes. As it was I had the plate with me so i simply put it back on while he was there while he desparately went over the car trying to find something wrong, then suggested that possibly it was stolen (!) then gave up and told me that maybe it wasn't insured. By that point I had missed my meeting and was enjoying the spectacle. I mean, really. I asked him if he was jealous that I was driving a nice car because his attitude was like a small boy who had dropped his ice cream. I thought he was going to lamp me. Only negative experience I have had. Bizarre.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: le mans on March 27, 2012, 12:19:29 PM
^^That got a good chuckle  ;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: B5Passat on March 27, 2012, 03:59:22 PM
I got caught doing 10km/h over the speed limit and I thought, "oh no I'm going to get a ticket for my plates as well", but nothing not even a word. Phew.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: schattenblau on March 27, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
For that rozzer the thrill of nabbing a dangerous speedster probably caused him to overlook any licence plate irregularities.

;D
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: NZDoug on March 27, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
Broke down and ordered " genuine" NZPolice approved EURO plate , blue with white sliver  :police:
How can one respect authority that enforces unfairness and over pricing for monopolies?


Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Albacol on March 30, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
Holy macaroni - i thought i might replace my plates with some nice euro plates but $499 for two new plates. WTF, seriously. I mean, i already own the firkin plate all i want is new bits of metal.  >:(
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on March 30, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
I have 2 sets of europlates now, cant be f&%ked with the  :police:. Just one less thing they can ping me for...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: gti vr6 on April 02, 2012, 06:13:43 AM
Still rocking the German plates but have correct plates in the boot.
Car driven only occasionally.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: JPK on August 18, 2012, 04:30:58 PM
Would probably not look the best, but is it legal/possible to have a Euro plate on the front and a standard plate on the back? Have Jap/US spec boot.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 00quattro00 on October 01, 2012, 09:43:16 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/7749951/Crackdown-on-puzzling-car-number-plates
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: bigbumper on October 02, 2012, 12:28:25 PM
How is the last sentence in that article even relevant?
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RobClubley on October 02, 2012, 02:23:42 PM
Have you read the comments? Why is it that only morons that think others will care what they have to say.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 00quattro00 on October 02, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
QuoteI think we need to ban all personalized plates. Far too distracting on the road!

Some people ::)
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: brian on October 02, 2012, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: RobClubley on October 02, 2012, 02:23:42 PM
Have you read the comments? Why is it that only morons that think others will care what they have to say.

Those are the same people who phone talk back radio and there appears to be a lot of them, nutters that is
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Long Black on October 02, 2012, 05:48:23 PM
F-ing typical of the nanny, revenue collecting, PC gone mad, hitler-youth police state this beautiful country is becoming. It's like the bike rack issue, now we have to display the rego and have tail/indicators etc in the same position as the car so that the police can identify us after robbing a bank on the way home from a bike ride...same rules as the IRD guilty until expensively proven innocent....the whole system sucks!!! Think I'll go for a drive and clear my head....slowly...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: JPK on March 13, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
Quote from: JPK on August 18, 2012, 04:30:58 PM
Would probably not look the best, but is it legal/possible to have a Euro plate on the front and a standard plate on the back? Have Jap/US spec boot.

Anyone have any idea on this? Mulling over some options... Plates.co.nz only supply the euro plates in pairs and won't do 1x black euro plate and 1x slimline black.

Other option is to shorten the nz euro plate for the rear somehow by removing the end with the fern on it.

Euro/NZ spec boot will be too expensive after painting and fitting etc. that's if I can find one.

Very tempted to just try my luck with germanplates as they do a short euro plate as well.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: ranton-inc on March 13, 2013, 07:32:24 AM
Quote from: JPK on March 13, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
Anyone have any idea on this? Mulling over some options... Plates.co.nz only supply the euro plates in pairs and won't do 1x black euro plate and 1x slimline black.

Other option is to shorten the nz euro plate for the rear somehow by removing the end with the fern on it.

Euro/NZ spec boot will be too expensive after painting and fitting etc. that's if I can find one.

Very tempted to just try my luck with germanplates as they do a short euro plate as well.

Just buy a some europlates and dont return the Govt Issue plates back to them.?

or just buy the cheap euro surrounds off trademe
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Fizz on March 13, 2013, 05:13:15 PM
I dont see an issue with mixing and matching plates especially if they were purchase from plates (legal supplier) i myself wouldnt mind running mini plate in the front and europlate in the rear.
As anton said u can get the number plate surround for the standard plate to make it europlate size. Havent had any issues come WOF or with the cops regarding it.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 14, 2015, 06:06:43 AM
And the topic is back in the media again:

http://nzh.tw/11545075
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: 80 Vert on November 14, 2015, 01:37:52 PM
"This is to stop criminals from masking stolen cars or cars that have been used to commit crimes with a fake plate"

Bullsh*t, its about PP not selling their rip off over priced pieces of stamped aluminium.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: ranton-inc on November 14, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
look at the fat bitch reporting that rubbish there is part of the problem
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: oem.minus on August 06, 2019, 02:59:41 PM
Some of you guys will already know they are illegal, but cops seem to be enforcing on non NZTA issued plates now when they previously seemed to let them go by the sounds of it. I got pulled over today on Great North Rd and let off with a warning if I pulled the plate off then and there, he said that their new cameras they are rolling out read number plates and warn them of ones that don?t comply as they are driving so a lot more of it will be happening. Maybe this isn?t new but I hadn?t seen anything about it...
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Fizz on August 07, 2019, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: oem.minus on August 06, 2019, 02:59:41 PM
Some of you guys will already know they are illegal, but cops seem to be enforcing on non NZTA issued plates now when they previously seemed to let them go by the sounds of it. I got pulled over today on Great North Rd and let off with a warning if I pulled the plate off then and there, he said that their new cameras they are rolling out read number plates and warn them of ones that don?t comply as they are driving so a lot more of it will be happening. Maybe this isn?t new but I hadn?t seen anything about it...

I'd say it largely depends on the cop but this is something that's been going on for years.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: McDoof on August 07, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
If they have new cameras that pick up on fake plates, then they will have to replace all the old plates people are using as they only really introduced the watermarks (which I assume is what the camera is looking for) a few years ago.
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: Poonmobile on August 11, 2019, 01:32:11 PM
I reckon that's BS, the older plates won't have watermarks on them so how does that work??
Title: Re: German Plates
Post by: wolfgang on August 11, 2019, 02:06:17 PM
The current traffic cameras take an image of the vehicle including its number plate and the subsequent zooming in of the image will indentify the letters and numbers. The style of plate or reflective surface got nothing to do with it.
Theses camera systems are used all over the world, so work on any style plate.
The number plate recognition system ANPR that is fitted to a few police cars looks for wanted plate combination and also got nothing to do with the style of plate used.