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Title: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on May 23, 2009, 01:05:30 pm
Had our first V12 TDI Q7 delivered today and took it for a quick test drive and man can it haul ass. Will get some pics on Monday. The only thing I can liken the power to is the RS6 but it seems more fun in a big SUV. The engine does not sound like a diesel at all it also has full ceramic brakes which are huge!


Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: qta4 on May 23, 2009, 06:16:43 pm
At 60 degrees , this engine must look massive, also 2000bar fuel pressure, thats close to 30000psi, wouldnt want any fuel leaks >:D.

I bet it is an impessive animal.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on May 25, 2009, 07:03:18 pm
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4287.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4288.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4284.jpg)

The exterior isnt that much different with deeper front bumper, arch trims and the oval tail pipes which are part of the bumper and not actaully fixed to the exhaust.

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4282.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4296.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4297.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4298.jpg)

Brakes are huge wheels are 20's for some scale, front calipers are made by Alcon. I'd imagine that they are shared with the RS6 to save some $ on development.

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4295.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4291.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4293.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/Mattyja/100_4290.jpg)

And the centre piece is the engine, its pretty impressive and fingers crossed it will never go wrong as it looks like a right bitch to work on.
1000Nm of torque from 1750rpm  >:D
It will be interesting to see how it survives as the guy who's bought it is in the logging bussiness and actually uses his old Q7 out in the bush and I imagine will do the same with this one. Imagine $275000 worth of car banging round in the bush  :o

Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: rambo_005 on May 25, 2009, 08:28:29 pm
The brakes do appear to be the same as the RS6, I think you can get the RS6 alloys on the V12 Q7 also.

Very impressive car 8)

Does the exhaust system not connect to those tips at all?
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: qta4 on May 25, 2009, 08:33:27 pm
I am just so happy that i dont have to work on these engines, bloody nightmare diagnosing faults effectively IMO
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: beeker on May 25, 2009, 08:48:08 pm
Assume it has the Q7 disconnected driving feel...
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: RS4 on May 25, 2009, 09:21:34 pm
Dont all the V12's here have 21 inch wheels? Same style as the RS6 but an inch bigger. As does the anniversary Q7.
As awesome as the v12 TDi is, i would save a 100K and buy the V8 TDI AND remap it to 1000Nm and buy something else as well :)
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on May 25, 2009, 09:25:37 pm
Fark, that is a beast!
That engine looks insane. So much torque. Oh the joy.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on May 26, 2009, 06:51:04 pm
They do come on 21's but he specced 20's as he can get off road tyres in that size.  :-\
The tailpipes are sat behind the oval trims, Honda did a similar thing with the Civic type R.
Interestingly the vin begins WUA which is the same as the RS models.

Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: RS ZWEI on May 27, 2009, 09:16:24 am
They do come on 21's but he specced 20's as he can get off road tyres in that size.  :-\
The tailpipes are sat behind the oval trims, Honda did a similar thing with the Civic type R.
Interestingly the vin begins WUA which is the same as the RS models.

Matt

Matt, is that Dennis's?
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: veedubman on May 27, 2009, 09:19:30 am
thats cool...

from what i have been told they can have engine completly out and unplugged in 30 minutes...

Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Simon MkII on May 27, 2009, 09:22:22 am
WUA denotes cars built at the Quattro gmbh factory i think.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on May 27, 2009, 09:25:04 am
thats cool...

from what i have been told they can have engine completly out and unplugged in 30 minutes...


So nothing like an RS6 then?
30 mins, that's Le Mans kinda time. ;)
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: veedubman on May 27, 2009, 09:33:35 am
I wouldnt have a Clue...
I was talking to a Service Manager at Contis

Apparently because you cant reach or service anythign in Situ.. they loom and lines are very easy to unplug and the engine slides out the front.. on the "Vag Special tool" Engine lift

So the engine needs to be easy to pull for the purpose of replacing bits...

Where does the RS6 come in to the equation?

Im just repeating what i have been told...
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on May 27, 2009, 09:40:49 am
I now officially want one.

As much as everyone gave me stick for being a fan of the Q7, I still stand by what i said...I want a Q7!!!!!!
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on May 27, 2009, 11:35:24 am
I wouldnt have a Clue...
I was talking to a Service Manager at Contis

Apparently because you cant reach or service anythign in Situ.. they loom and lines are very easy to unplug and the engine slides out the front.. on the "Vag Special tool" Engine lift

So the engine needs to be easy to pull for the purpose of replacing bits...

Where does the RS6 come in to the equation?

Im just repeating what i have been told...

From memory, it takes 17hrs to replace the spark plugs on a V10 RS6. You have to drop the engine to get at the back two plugs!
I'd like to see the guy at Conti's drive the car in get it up and have the engine out in 30 mins though.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: SteveC on May 27, 2009, 12:33:21 pm
I now officially want one.

As much as everyone gave me stick for being a fan of the Q7, I still stand by what i said...I want a Q7!!!!!!

I'm sure the wiggles would sound great on the stereo in there, Jase
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on May 27, 2009, 07:19:13 pm
Matt, is that Dennis's?


Yes it is, its away having all the radio gear fitted at the moment.

As for engine out in 30mins I do believe someones been bull s**tting, the bed that is used for taking the motor out is handy but i'd love to see it done that quickly. On the V10 TDI the looms stay on the engine and the whole lot drops out on the front subframe that engine has a lot more room around it but it is still prob about 1/2 a days work to drop out.


Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on May 28, 2009, 12:23:38 pm
I'm sure the wiggles would sound great on the stereo in there, Jase
Ah...can you imagine it? Toot, toot, chugga chugga, big V12, we're gonna, drive the whole day long..."

Fabulous.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: 5-pot on May 28, 2009, 03:17:07 pm
Eek, I think I'd go clinically insane if I had to listen to that all the time... :-\
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on May 28, 2009, 03:35:10 pm
Eek, I think I'd go clinically insane if I had to listen to that all the time... :-\
Luckily my little people love Queen, Kiss and Pearl Jam too. Along with Counting Crows, Tool and Hi Five.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: charles on May 28, 2009, 06:19:03 pm
I have a right nut for sale or exchange for that machine
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: kiwihigh on May 28, 2009, 06:56:08 pm
I have a right nut for sale or exchange for that machine

id say you need add the left one and the dangly bit for that machine  :-\
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Simon MkII on May 28, 2009, 07:15:41 pm
Our first customer V12 Q7 was going through its pdi tonight. What an awesome looking machine.

Funny what a big motor will do for a car, I always use to think the Q7 was hideous  :P
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: rambo_005 on May 28, 2009, 08:09:14 pm
Funny what a big motor will do for a car, I always use to think the Q7 was hideous  :P

Same, the V12 TDI won me over ;D
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on May 29, 2009, 10:04:59 am
I always use to think the Q7 was hideous  :P
Same
Neither of you have any class or sense.

it's always been awesome! ;)
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: SteveC on May 29, 2009, 01:38:50 pm

therefore I too, have no class or sense

but I do have good taste

it's not as bad as a Cayenne or any Ssangyong, but it's a big ugly lump
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on May 29, 2009, 03:54:19 pm
therefore I too, have no class or sense

but I do have good taste

it's not as bad as a Cayenne or any Ssangyong, but it's a big ugly lump
I never did much like you SteveC
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Turbo on May 29, 2009, 03:58:02 pm
id say you need add the left one and the dangly bit for that machine  :-\

i think you might be over valuing his junk.

Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on May 29, 2009, 04:00:17 pm
i think you might be over valuing his junk.


Are you suggesting yours may swing it, so to speak?
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 20, 2009, 07:09:50 pm
thats cool...

from what i have been told they can have engine completly out and unplugged in 30 minutes...



I can now personally verify that it is not in fact possible in 30 mins. Had engine out and back in today and finishing off tomorrow  :-\

More fantastic German design  >:(

Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: RS ZWEI on August 20, 2009, 07:51:35 pm
I can now personally verify that it is not in fact possible in 30 mins. Had engine out and back in today and finishing off tomorrow  :-\

More fantastic German design  >:(

Matt

What did you have it out for Matt?
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 20, 2009, 07:57:47 pm
Had to change an exhaust temp sender   :o


You can get to the sensor easily but they route the wiring up on top of the gear box and cover the plugs with a metal plate so the only option is to drop the motor.


Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: mjh on August 20, 2009, 08:19:23 pm
Sounds cheap and easy!!!!
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 20, 2009, 09:37:39 pm
Its not too bad TBH and its covered by warranty so they prob allow about 5hrs lol.

Theres absolutley heaps of things that can only be changed with the motor out, wonder how many of the after market insurers will offer policies on cars like this and what the premiums will be?

Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on August 21, 2009, 08:59:27 am
I can't imagine that there'd be a massive second-hand market for these once they're out of warranty, if people know what's coming!
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 21, 2009, 09:16:26 am
You and I know what's coming, but Joe Blow who sees a V12 Q7 for 50k and thinks WOW!!! Buys it and spends the rest if his ownership selling vital organs and becoming a "rent boy" to cover his garage bills.
It's been getting worse for the last ten odd years. Just look at all the really cheap early 2000 model Audi's, Mercs bla bla.
There was that wicked 2001 S6 that went recently for 22k! Beautiful car, but later on it's just going to hurt too much.
They're just far too complicated for their own good.
And now having to drop V10 and V12 engines out of RS6's, Q7's for medial work etc is just plain dumb engineering.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Bullseye on August 21, 2009, 11:06:16 am
You and I know what's coming, but Joe Blow who sees a V12 Q7 for 50k and thinks WOW!!! Buys it and spends the rest if his ownership selling vital organs and becoming a "rent boy" to cover his garage bills.
It's been getting worse for the last ten odd years. Just look at all the really cheap early 2000 model Audi's, Mercs bla bla.
There was that wicked 2001 S6 that went recently for 22k! Beautiful car, but later on it's just going to hurt too much.
They're just far too complicated for their own good.
And now having to drop V10 and V12 engines out of RS6's, Q7's for medial work etc is just plain dumb engineering.

May be a few re-powers with good old USA V8 Crate motors to simplify and have 450+ HP  >:D
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Spinner on August 21, 2009, 02:23:11 pm
May be a few re-powers with good old USA V8 Crate motors to simplify and have 450+ HP  >:D

gee where have i seen that done b4 with ridiculous over engineered V12s...ahh thats right the all to frequent destiny of many examples of the lump of english iron oxide i have in the back yard!!!  (hours to get at the last 2 spark plugs etc)
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 21, 2009, 02:34:56 pm
gee where have i seen that done b4 with ridiculous over engineered V12s...ahh thats right the all to frequent destiny of many examples of the lump of english iron oxide i have in the back yard!!!  (hours to get at the last 2 spark plugs etc)
Isn't the Jag just a re-shelled Spitfire? :D
I nearly bought an XJS before I turned to Audi.
God I was young back then. ::)
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Spinner on August 21, 2009, 02:45:59 pm
nah a slight scale difference....maybe say that about a stag???  ;D

i have heard the DB7 described as an XJS with a posh frock on, never really thought that was fair on the Aston....... so by that logic a far less flattering but more realistic description would perhaps be that the xjs is a DB9 with a boiler suit and a hankie tied in 4 corners on its head ;)
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: wilco on August 21, 2009, 03:46:21 pm
Yes it is, its away having all the radio gear fitted at the moment.

Matt

Dennis from the Bay Nic??
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: RS ZWEI on August 21, 2009, 06:07:55 pm
Dennis from the Bay Nic??

Thats Matt, Im Nik.

But yes, roger that.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: RS ZWEI on August 21, 2009, 06:09:39 pm
Isn't the Jag just a re-shelled Spitfire? :D
I nearly bought an XJS before I turned to Audi.
God I was young back then. ::)

Young and quite sick by the sounds of things, an XJS??? Id rather have an STD!
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 21, 2009, 06:38:23 pm
Young and quite sick by the sounds of things, an XJS??? Id rather have an STD!
I still think they're cool.....
I know, I'm mentally challenged.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 21, 2009, 06:42:22 pm
You and I know what's coming, but Joe Blow who sees a V12 Q7 for 50k and thinks WOW!!! Buys it and spends the rest if his ownership selling vital organs and becoming a "rent boy" to cover his garage bills.
It's been getting worse for the last ten odd years. Just look at all the really cheap early 2000 model Audi's, Mercs bla bla.
There was that wicked 2001 S6 that went recently for 22k! Beautiful car, but later on it's just going to hurt too much.
They're just far too complicated for their own good.
And now having to drop V10 and V12 engines out of RS6's, Q7's for medial work etc is just plain dumb engineering.


Yeah but when they bring in their "bargain" of a car and get given a price for repair it will be our fault as a main dealer that it costs so much. Ive been told the ceramic discs for the front of the Q7 are $15k each  :o so I hope any future used car buyers do their research  :laugh:

Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 21, 2009, 06:50:58 pm
I agree with your assumption, but...
I do think someone's told you porkies with regards to the $15,000 per front rotor.
One of our esteemed VAG parts employee's could price one up for giggles.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: vag_nutter on August 21, 2009, 06:55:03 pm
He works at a dealer
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 21, 2009, 06:58:31 pm
Yeah doesnt mean I got it right lol
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 21, 2009, 07:01:50 pm
I gathered that, but I still wouldn't mind finding out for sure, as that just sounds like a s**t fight waiting to happen.
When you can get the ENTIRE brakes upgraded on a Murcielago to carbon for less than the front rotors on the Q7. Just doesn't sound right, even at Audi's silly prices.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: vag_nutter on August 21, 2009, 07:03:43 pm
Someone probably added on a zero onto the price :P
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: M on August 22, 2009, 08:07:25 pm
I can check on Monday but I am sure I heard the same price for the rotors.

I wasn't too impressed by it to be honest.... especially for the asking price of $275,000NZD. The interior is also still a let down, they have added some carbon and trimmed the panel above the dash clocks in leather, WOW. Full leather and an alcantara roof would be more in keeping with the cost.

My in laws have a Cayenne Turbo and when it comes on song the mid range is stomping but it also builds to a nice top end. The Q7 started thumping and I thought "Oh, here we go" and don't get me wrong it is stomping pull but it is all over too soon.

I have driven all the VW/Audi diesels including the R50 Touareg and they are excellent to a point but as real fun they just don't do it. I still think the 4.2 Audi V8 TDi engine is the best of the lot, seems to rev nicely and torque doesn't tail off as fast.

My point in all this is that I think a diesel is still excellent for daily driving but I am not sure that for that little bit of excitement the diesel can cut it. Again the Cayenne can idle along nicely, quietly and reasonably efficient when needed, when you then flatten the pedal it has some great pull and excitement. I could buy a 4.2 TDi Q7 for $150,000NZD if I went for a new one and still have loads left for a toy, even less for a 3.0l TDi, would rather have a Cayenne for interior although I agree the Q7 looks better in top spec trim. In fact a new RS6 is cheaper and MUCH more fun, will do just about everything the Q7 would anyway, as let's face it, no one takes a V12 TDi off road for real, sure they might go through a little mud but not OFF ROAD like my Rangey could do.  ;D

That post was a LOT bigger than I thought hahaha.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 24, 2009, 12:28:42 pm
Front discs $15,953 each
Front pads $1688
Rear discs $13,659 each
Rear pads $1524

All prices plus GST  :o

Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 24, 2009, 12:41:06 pm
That's damned!!!!
The after market outfits will be rubbing their hands together.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: robh on August 24, 2009, 12:59:52 pm
I gathered that, but I still wouldn't mind finding out for sure, as that just sounds like a s**t fight waiting to happen.
When you can get the ENTIRE brakes upgraded on a Murcielago to carbon for less than the front rotors on the Q7. Just doesn't sound right, even at Audi's silly prices.

The price for upgrade on a new vehicle is often massively less than the cost of spare parts later. 

I seem to remember the carbon brakes for 911 Turbo's were only a few thousand pounds when you bought them as a new car option, but were into ten's of thousands to replace when they wore out.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: vag_nutter on August 24, 2009, 01:53:37 pm
They better last a lifetime
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on August 24, 2009, 02:12:07 pm
Front discs $15,953 each
Front pads $1688
Rear discs $13,659 each
Rear pads $1524

All prices plus GST  :o

Matt

H O L Y    F U C K !!!!!!!
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: Bullseye on August 24, 2009, 02:33:19 pm
Awesome you can a get full brake service or a 3 year old S4  :o
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on August 24, 2009, 02:35:43 pm
Awesome you can a get full brake service or a 3 year old S4  :o
Or a brand new Corolla.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: GlenT on August 24, 2009, 03:45:08 pm
More like four new Corolla's
That's truly bulls**t money.
It's still an SUV for Gods sake! Not a Veyron.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: b0000st on August 24, 2009, 06:32:20 pm
And I didnt have time to price up the sensors lol

Labour would be quite high as well as there is a specific bedding in process.

I doubt after market suppliers will bother as its not a mass seller and so they would never shift them.

Matt
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on August 25, 2009, 09:03:44 am
So basically, this is a vehicle for a millionaire to own for a long time or a wannabe to own for its first 2 years of life.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: M on August 25, 2009, 06:46:06 pm
Many millionaires wouldn't even put up with that sort of running cost. It's basically a 2 year car yes, or best way would be buy at a year old and save a fortune and then have 2 years warranty left but then selling it out of warranty would hurt too.
Title: Re: V12 Q7
Post by: HandsomeDan on August 26, 2009, 09:10:48 am
Many millionaires wouldn't even put up with that sort of running cost. It's basically a 2 year car yes, or best way would be buy at a year old and save a fortune and then have 2 years warranty left but then selling it out of warranty would hurt too.
It'd only hurt if the buyer was aware.  >:D