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Title: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on April 29, 2014, 11:33:37 am
Im wondering if anyone can recall what the NZ new B5 A4 MTM 286 BHP kit consisted off? Also were the cars imported built up from MTM or were the put together here in New Zealand?

What I can recall is an exhaust, carbon/kevlar airbox and a different turbo.
What else did the kit have? Different fuel pump?
Was the turbo the same as an RS2 turbo or a different spec?
Was the clutch upgraded?
Did the brakes remain standard?

How could the 286BHP model be spotted from the outside? Did the all have the MTM wheels? Im not sure if the all came with the body kit?
 
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: nogmeg on April 29, 2014, 11:57:11 am

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/426558-1997-A4-1-8T-Quattro-(MTM-286-hp)

http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0309ec_mtm_audi_a4_gt/
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: S1 on April 29, 2014, 12:53:43 pm
I cant remember any specs but cost me about 75k , was the shizz , in green . Would be cool to see one again
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on April 29, 2014, 01:31:11 pm
I cant remember any specs but cost me about 75k , was the shizz , in green . Would be cool to see one again

I think member Andy H? might have one:

http://www.vask.org.nz/index.php/topic,5762.msg299324.html#msg299324

S1, was yours the full fat 286BHP model?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Bullseye on April 29, 2014, 01:53:51 pm
Mine was a 286hp

Black with dark windows and black Audi rings and more aggressive front spoiler than most; BBS wheels.

On race gas would emit a lovely exhaust flame  >:D
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: S1 on April 29, 2014, 02:55:22 pm
I'm not sure , it was the dealer MTM option , they were all the same as opposed to 1.8 with an aftermarket MTM kit . It was about the time the were cleaning up at the BTCC and Aussie touring cars . May have been a NZ only kit spec
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: beeker on April 29, 2014, 06:55:05 pm
They were fitted in nz as a retro fit. Body kit was a nz sourced kit too.

- 187 chip only
- 210 chip plus full exhaust
- 286hp turbo, airbox, exhaust, chip
options.

286 suffered from non delivery of promised hp.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: beeker on April 29, 2014, 07:12:31 pm
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/MTM2861_zps7d113887.jpg) (http://s20.photobucket.com/user/noelsimpson/media/MTM2861_zps7d113887.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Horch on April 29, 2014, 11:19:10 pm
Im wondering if anyone can recall what the NZ new B5 A4 MTM 286 BHP kit consisted off? Also were the cars imported built up from MTM or were the put together here in New Zealand?

What I can recall is an exhaust, carbon/kevlar airbox and a different turbo.
What else did the kit have? Different fuel pump?
Was the turbo the same as an RS2 turbo or a different spec?
Was the clutch upgraded?
Did the brakes remain standard?

How could the 286BHP model be spotted from the outside? Did the all have the MTM wheels? Im not sure if the all came with the body kit?

Plus injectors, fuel pressure regulation and remapped ECU EPROMs. Clutch was original Audi equipment however pressure plate and clutch disc were replaced with 1.9 ltr diesel spec items.  Brakes std.

All 187/210 ECU remap work was EMD prepared and then installed by the dealer.

All 286ps cars were modified at MTM Germany except the last two units which were done at EMD in the day.

Early 286 cars suffered with the local octane and were required to have a revised map to remedy idle and acceleration performance.

286 units all had MTM branded alloys and front bumper kits. MTM chrome boot badging also.

 
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on April 30, 2014, 07:12:40 am
Plus injectors, fuel pressure regulation and remapped ECU EPROMs. Clutch was original Audi equipment however pressure plate and clutch disc were replaced with 1.9 ltr diesel spec items.  Brakes std.

All 187/210 ECU remap work was EMD prepared and then installed by the dealer.

All 286ps cars were modified at MTM Germany except the last two units which were done at EMD in the day.

Early 286 cars suffered with the local octane and were required to have a revised map to remedy idle and acceleration performance.

286 units all had MTM branded alloys and front bumper kits. MTM chrome boot badging also.

Thanks Horch.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on April 30, 2014, 10:02:12 am


All 286ps cars were modified at MTM Germany except the last two units which were done at EMD in the day.


That makes them a pretty special yet unknown and unloved car for the NZ market.
So the cars left the Audi production line and got delivered to MTM to tune? Do you know if these cars were done as a batch, or individual to order?
 
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS on April 30, 2014, 10:12:56 am

Would be cool to know how many were sold.

I remember a nice green one with the kit and wheels from back in the day, was well optioned, I think it was featured in a local magazine..

Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on April 30, 2014, 11:29:42 am
Would be cool to know how many were sold.

I remember a nice green one with the kit and wheels from back in the day, was well optioned, I think it was featured in a local magazine..

In one of the links above an owner said 30?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Max on May 03, 2014, 11:48:05 pm
Plus injectors, fuel pressure regulation and remapped ECU EPROMs. Clutch was original Audi equipment however pressure plate and clutch disc were replaced with 1.9 ltr diesel spec items.  Brakes std.

All 187/210 ECU remap work was EMD prepared and then installed by the dealer.

All 286ps cars were modified at MTM Germany except the last two units which were done at EMD in the day.

Early 286 cars suffered with the local octane and were required to have a revised map to remedy idle and acceleration performance.

286 units all had MTM branded alloys and front bumper kits. MTM chrome boot badging also.

Though the 187 and 210's were sold as MTM tuned cars?

Been thinkin' some more......

from memory the 187 option was ~$3k, the 210 ~$8-10K and the 286 around $22k ?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on January 30, 2015, 10:28:08 am

Heres one for sale. No body kit? Could it be one of the 2 NZ built ones?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=839777365
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: ritmo on February 05, 2015, 05:18:52 pm
That's cheap..... gotta love the guy in questions telling him what it isn't..... world's full of experts.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Andy H on February 27, 2015, 07:59:40 am
I've got one and I love it!!! I have modified mine significantly chasing more performance which is a bit of a pity considering it's quite rare.
Title: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on February 27, 2015, 09:28:34 am
I would like one, but 4 cars is getting ridiculous!
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: wilco on February 28, 2015, 12:20:45 pm
I'd love to have only 4 cars..  :)
Title: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on February 28, 2015, 02:40:23 pm

I'd love to have only 4 cars..  :)
Ha!
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 02, 2015, 11:35:09 am
Heres another one without a body kit for sale:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=972694655

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/8737f23b46bad94170b104c21f7e814c_zpskvtui8pa.jpg)

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/681766d35e18b82bd3c1015e3ed42e2f_zpsgikg438a.jpg)

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/Golfboy666gti/358876e5e43775e9898abf0f7da333d1_zpsq6p10usx.jpg)
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on November 02, 2015, 04:29:37 pm
I went and had a look at this car yesterday. I'm pretty keen on another interesting Audi at some stage and this ticks the boxes. The current owner is out of his depth and it has not been well cared for the in last couple of years from what I can see. If anyone wants any info on it PM me. Interestingly VCDS cannot find the ECU on this car. Not sure if that is normal on the MTM 286 cars or perhaps it's had further modification? I recall my old mechanic was looking after one of these (Euroworks) and Torque were doing some tuning work on it. Could be this car I guess, but more than likely not.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on November 02, 2015, 07:02:36 pm
I went and had a look at this car yesterday. I'm pretty keen on another interesting Audi at some stage and this ticks the boxes. The current owner is out of his depth and it has not been well cared for the in last couple of years from what I can see. If anyone wants any info on it PM me. Interestingly VCDS cannot find the ECU on this car. Not sure if that is normal on the MTM 286 cars or perhaps it's had further modification? I recall my old mechanic was looking after one of these (Euroworks) and Torque were doing some tuning work on it. Could be this car I guess, but more than likely not.

At a guess I would say it the tuned car your mechanic spoke about would be Andy H's car ^
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on November 02, 2015, 07:21:22 pm
No it wasn't as far as I remember, but I could be wrong about that too! I did actually see it at the time and I don't think it was red.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on December 07, 2015, 07:57:33 am
There was another green 286 Avant on TM last week. Looks like it has sold.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on December 07, 2015, 10:02:21 am
Cameron Brodie told me he did a few MTM conversions when he was at Continental Cars. I guess most/all of the non-body kit cars were converted after delivery to their owners.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: 89 Coupe on December 07, 2015, 06:41:07 pm
There was another green 286 Avant on TM last week. Looks like it has sold.

Was only asking $3600
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: 00quattro00 on December 07, 2015, 08:39:23 pm
Was only asking $3600

It looked like a dog. Interior was scummy as damn
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: 89 Coupe on December 08, 2015, 12:02:03 am
286hp wagon for $3600 though. I would have been all over it if I had the money
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on May 22, 2016, 09:38:14 pm
Here's another 286hp one for sale.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1082743522.htm
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on May 23, 2016, 07:09:20 am
Here's another 286hp one for sale.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1082743522.htm

Cheers. He's dreaming price wise.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on May 23, 2016, 09:50:37 am
I actually just got given a scanned PDF copy of the Mark Petch autonews article about these cars.

It seems the most expensive option was priced at $120,000 back in 1996.  :o
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on May 23, 2016, 10:15:30 am
I actually just got given a scanned PDF copy of the Mark Petch autonews article about these cars.

It seems the most expensive option was priced at $120,000 back in 1996.  :o
Any chance of uploading to a cloud drive and putting a link here?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on May 23, 2016, 10:42:00 am
Any chance of uploading to a cloud drive and putting a link here?

The quality is pretty poor, i'll try scanning it and uploading it again.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: McDoof on May 23, 2016, 11:39:02 am
Here's another 286hp one for sale.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1082743522.htm

If this thing has a 40mm suspension drop then the original car must have been based on a cartoon. It's not exactly low
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on May 23, 2016, 12:55:45 pm
I actually just got given a scanned PDF copy of the Mark Petch autonews article about these cars.

It seems the most expensive option was priced at $120,000 back in 1996.  :o

Id also love to see that.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on May 23, 2016, 09:40:39 pm
Id also love to see that.

Trying to get an electronic copy, can you PM your email address and i'll send it to you to post up.

Curious to see that the A4 on TM doesn't have mtm badges?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on May 24, 2016, 11:20:30 am
Thanks for the PDF slowmo. A scanned copy of a fax so yeah not great quality! It can be viewed here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnj7zftn6h5ikdp/Audi%20A4%201.8TQ%20MTM%20Scan%2020160419085507.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnj7zftn6h5ikdp/Audi%20A4%201.8TQ%20MTM%20Scan%2020160419085507.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on May 25, 2016, 06:02:50 pm
Just reflecting on the above article, Audi quattros had a lot of mana back then - they were considered something special.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: 89 Coupe on May 30, 2016, 10:49:07 pm
Thanks for the PDF slowmo. A scanned copy of a fax so yeah not great quality! It can be viewed here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnj7zftn6h5ikdp/Audi%20A4%201.8TQ%20MTM%20Scan%2020160419085507.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnj7zftn6h5ikdp/Audi%20A4%201.8TQ%20MTM%20Scan%2020160419085507.pdf?dl=0)

how cool, love these old finds
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: schattenblau on May 31, 2016, 10:24:24 am
interesting, you could get mtm kits for fwd cars too
anyone ever seen a fwd mtm ?

 :laugh:

jay;
do you know what issue (month/year) the auotnews article was published ?
there's a slim chance i might have a copy.

 ;)
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on May 31, 2016, 10:38:14 am
If Jay doesn't have the exact month it would be worth hunting for issues from 1996-1997.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on May 31, 2016, 11:57:55 am
The fwd option must be for the early 1.8T that came in fwd, i remember seeing 95/96 models that were non-quattro.

Not sure about when the article originally came out, the fax date is 12/12/97 so might be late 96 or early 97. Some of the early MTM cars were MY96 iirc.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on May 31, 2016, 12:02:58 pm
The fwd option must be for the early 1.8T that came in fwd, i remember seeing 95/96 models that were non-quattro.

Not sure about when the article originally came out, the fax date is 12/12/97 so might be late 96 or early 97. Some of the early MTM cars were MY96 iirc.

I don't think NZ got any new FWD 1.8T B5 A4.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: NasTnaS on May 31, 2016, 12:07:17 pm
would of been great if we got the 2ltr 16v version with ITBS....
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on May 31, 2016, 12:47:11 pm
would of been great if we got the 2ltr 16v version with ITBS....

Ive never heard of a road going Audi with ITB's?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: NasTnaS on May 31, 2016, 01:04:48 pm
Ive never heard of a road going Audi with ITB's?

it sorted of went on the road....
(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx329/NaijaGuy/S8-Powered%20Audi%20A4%20Touring%20Car/BTCC4.jpg)
(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx329/NaijaGuy/S8-Powered%20Audi%20A4%20Touring%20Car/BTCC2.jpg)

If only there were a road legal car. Definitely a spectacular time in motorsport!
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on May 31, 2016, 03:40:55 pm
Oh yes, that's the business.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on August 16, 2016, 01:28:09 pm
Another Avant back on the market:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1142854732

Gee, fi you don't buy the Golf Mk5 wheels you might get the MTM rims . . .

Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on August 16, 2016, 02:02:52 pm
Always wondered how my black GTI wheels would look on a B5 A4, now i do.  :-\
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: schattenblau on August 16, 2016, 03:05:55 pm
byo wheels

 :P
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on September 09, 2016, 11:49:48 am
Here is another one:

Black sedan: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1157637035.htm
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on September 09, 2016, 04:17:15 pm
Close to you too.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on September 10, 2016, 09:13:08 am
Close to you too.

It used to live closer, across the road from a mate in Napier.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Poonmobile on September 11, 2016, 10:18:07 pm
Very tidy!!
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on September 12, 2016, 09:03:49 am
a lot of car for the money, even if it only goes up to 230bhp.  :D

Le Mans, time for Audi # 5?  :laugh:
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on September 12, 2016, 12:28:07 pm
I did call the owner  :D. Turbo on the way out (blowing smoke) and cam belt due so a bit of money to spend. Otherwise it looks pretty good. I wish I had a really big shed!
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on September 27, 2016, 01:58:15 pm
I wonder if this one is also from the series?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1168271328.htm

The exhaust tips look exactly like the one on my car. Otherwise no other signs. Does the ECU have anything that indicates whether it is MTM or stock?
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: le mans on September 27, 2016, 05:27:07 pm
Might be a 210 mtm model? I think if you open the ECU and look at the chipsets, if it has an MTM chip in there it will have a hand written sticker on it.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: RS ZWEI on September 27, 2016, 09:44:39 pm
I wonder if this one is also from the series?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1168271328.htm

The exhaust tips look exactly like the one on my car. Otherwise no other signs. Does the ECU have anything that indicates whether it is MTM or stock?

The 286bhp cars have a K24 turbo and a Kevlar airbox.
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Smithy on February 27, 2017, 09:07:17 am
Km's are up there but a potential bargain for the right person given the listing is over a month old... http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1245662579.htm
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on February 27, 2017, 09:12:53 am
Km's are up there but a potential bargain for the right person given the listing is over a month old... http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/audi/auction-1245662579.htm

That's been up for almost a year  :laugh:
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: Smithy on February 27, 2017, 09:44:03 am
Ouch... bluddy Tard Me!!!
Title: Re: 286BHP B5 A4 MTM info?
Post by: slowmo on February 27, 2017, 11:25:24 am
Ouch... bluddy Tard Me!!!

Yeah it was already listed for sale when I bought my MTM Stage 2 in May 2016.