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GENERAL CATEGORY => General Discussion => Topic started by: beeker on December 09, 2006, 09:28:14 am
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Targa day 0 - Shakedown run#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZha_5zvf8s
Targa day 0 - Shakedown run#2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJzf_VaBFc
Prologue#2- Pukekohe Track in heavy rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lldZzuB8PYQ
Stage 4 - Vid 1 of 2 - 7 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahYQ8r0KCiw
Stage 4 - Vid 2 of 2 - 8 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9TiTx2i9Jo
Stage 5 - The big crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhYKdjDiVN0
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Your car seems to have alot of wet weather grip there Noel.
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Your car seems to have alot of wet weather grip there Noel.
The DZ02G made a MASSIVE !!! over the DO1J. The 02G were so much stickier when cold and in the wet. The low res youtube doesnt really do the video justice. It s was great fun until that ungly monaro incident.
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wow, that's some confident driving. did you get a practice run or was that all off pace notes?
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wow, that's some confident driving. did you get a practice run or was that all off pace notes?
No pace notes, only dangerious corner notes. Basically driving fresh roads blind.
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No pace notes, only dangerious corner notes. Basically driving fresh roads blind.
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you've got balls. i'd be wussing out at each blind corner.
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you've got balls. i'd be wussing out at each blind corner.
Youtube looses allot of the clarity. When you are in the car you have more insight as to whats coming up. But yes, to get good times you need to carry speed through somewhat blind corners or ridges at times. You always drive at 9/10, never 10/10. Unlike the next video i'll post when the car came off the road, as i misread a corner and went too quick too soon on cold tyres. There is a 1st time for everything i guess.
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Stage 5 - The big crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhYKdjDiVN0
whoops, i forgot about that.
wussing out on blind corners has its merits... ;)
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Whats ended up happening with the car now?
Lucky you werent in as you mentioned in the video.
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Whats ended up happening with the car now?
Lucky you werent in as you mentioned in the video.
Havn't decided yet. Its repairable, but I'll get a similar amount out of it if i scraped it. Have to get a few more quotes 1st. I was looking to upgrade anyway, but its a said way to do it.
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Havn't decided yet. Its repairable, but I'll get a similar amount out of it if i scraped it. Have to get a few more quotes 1st. I was looking to upgrade anyway, but its a said way to do it.
Noel, honestly, get someone outside of Auckland to do the job, Auckland prices are so OTT when it comes to paint and panel, the only reason I can think of is because of the overheads of leasing premises etc.
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Noel, honestly, get someone outside of Auckland to do the job, Auckland prices are so OTT when it comes to paint and panel, the only reason I can think of is because of the overheads of leasing premises etc.
If you have someone in mind, i'm prepared to give it a go.
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If you have someone in mind, i'm prepared to give it a go.
Well the guys I know are down here in HB, PM me what you have been quoted so far and email me some pics and Ill see what I can do. What time frame do you want to work too?
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Well the guys I know are down here in HB, PM me what you have been quoted so far and email me some pics and Ill see what I can do. What time frame do you want to work too?
Will do. In no hurry, probably by June.
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Great videos Noel, thanks, and I have watched them closely. I did hear my Integra go past as the first car after your crash :).
You guys were very lucky you weren't in the car when the Monaro came through.
If I may comment on your driving: superb ballsy and fast - car control is superb especially considering you were RWD on slippery as roads (I know as I was driving them too)
However...... I think i can see a fault in your cornering technique which almost certainly contributed to your crash. Your turn-in is quite early and you apex very early. That is fine as long as the corner is as you read it, but if it unexpectedly tightens, by the time you can see it you are already committed to a widening line if you have carried a lot of speed into the corner. You will then either understeer off or lift and oversteer off. The corner you misread was also on a brow inevitably reducing traction and the result is as your video shows - bugger!! I also nearly lost it on that corner too.
Having said that i drove like a woose that day and ended up way down the order taking another 4 days to claw back again. Look forward to seeing you in an Integra soon??
Cheers
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Been thinking about this a lot today.
I go back to some principles I first heard enunciated by Stuart Roddick of Holden Advanced Driving School who I respect a lot - "you can't judge the entry to a corner until you see the exit" and "if in doubt, leave it out".
these principles apply to road driving and do not necessarily give you the quickest line (as it's not the shortest) BUT as far as Targa driving goes I think they maximise your chances of staying on the road. The commonest cause for running out of road on the exit of a corner (possibly the only cause apart from silly entry speed) is apexing too early as it reduces margin for error on exit as your exit line is angled more acutely to the outside edge of the road.
According to accident investigators the early entry into a corner combined with excess speed (such as occurs when a corner tightens unexpectedly) is by far the commonest cause of cornering accidents, with the car running off the road or onto the wrong side and into other vehicles (obviously not in Targa unless there is already one parked in the undergrowth!! )
Cheers
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The thing with this Levin is it has great speed scrubbing ability. I use to drive as you described, but soon learnt that with this car you can almost over commit the car, and it always turns in, as long as you have it settled and weighted neutrally or slightly on the front wheels with a small touch on the brakes prior to turn in (ie not on gas, as per my crash!!). It was amazing the way you could chuck it in, it always turned in even harder, and scrubbed off speed, or if the corner straightens gas it. Even down hill through sweepers, it was great. Eventully it would evenly 4 wheel drift to the edge of the road, this assumes a neutral throttle. Only once did it ever over steer at speed, excluding power over steer of course.
My strategy on targa is get the nose in. For sweepers i'll hang out wide as long as possible looking for where the road is going, but as soon its disappeared i'll move to the centre, and then to the inside. This way i have the outside of the road to under steer / over steer onto as necessary. At times (don’t tell mike), I’ll dip the inside wheels into the groove on the edge and this will tow you around like the gravel boys do it.
This driving technique worked for my car, and in talking to some of the AE86 drivers seemed to be a common method. The only way you get an AE86 to go fast is to carry "brave" corner speed, and the cars are setup to do this. However, if the car is unsettled, then potentially you’re in the lap of the gods!! In my incident I misread the corner, and had it on the gas expecting a slight right hander but it dipped off camber to the right. I was simply too aggressive. If I had settled the car and had a neutral throttle over the brow, or had more heat on the tyres, i might have just pulled it around. My second mistake was to allow a monaro to start behind me!
Again horse for corses. I might drive it different with FWD. Dunno. I certainly dont drive my Audi that way, or anything on the track.
PS. Changed the Integra aftermarket 26mm rear sway bar (only just discovered it wasnt std) back to the factory OEM 22mm. Wow no oversteer !! No wonder Chris kept turning it around.
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The thing with this Levin is it has great speed scrubbing ability. I use to drive as you described, but soon learnt that with this car you can almost over commit the car, and it always turns in, as long as you have it settled and weighted neutrally or slightly on the front wheels with a small touch on the brakes prior to turn in (ie not on gas, as per my crash!!). It was amazing the way you could chuck it in, it always turned in even harder, and scrubbed off speed, or if the corner straightens gas it. Even down hill through sweepers, it was great. Eventully it would evenly 4 wheel drift to the edge of the road, this assumes a neutral throttle. Only once did it ever over steer at speed, excluding power over steer of course.
My strategy on targa is get the nose in. For sweepers i'll hang out wide as long as possible looking for where the road is going, but as soon its disappeared i'll move to the centre, and then to the inside. This way i have the outside of the road to under steer / over steer onto as necessary. At times (don’t tell mike), I’ll dip the inside wheels into the groove on the edge and this will tow you around like the gravel boys do it.
This driving technique worked for my car, and in talking to some of the AE86 drivers seemed to be a common method. The only way you get an AE86 to go fast is to carry "brave" corner speed, and the cars are setup to do this. However, if the car is unsettled, then potentially you’re in the lap of the gods!! In my incident I misread the corner, and had it on the gas expecting a slight right hander but it dipped off camber to the right. I was simply too aggressive. If I had settled the car and had a neutral throttle over the brow, or had more heat on the tyres, i might have just pulled it around. My second mistake was to allow a monaro to start behind me!
Again horse for corses. I might drive it different with FWD. Dunno. I certainly dont drive my Audi that way, or anything on the track.
PS. Changed the Integra aftermarket 26mm rear sway bar (only just discovered it wasnt std) back to the factory OEM 22mm. Wow no oversteer !! No wonder Chris kept turning it around.
Good reply thanks - I see what you mean and of course defer to your obvious experience and expertise of the AE86 chassis.
pleased you have the Integra oversteer issue sorted - it makes sense to me that you have a smaller sway bar now because the Integra responds with more oversteer when the rear gets stiffer and vice versa of course. You can fine tune this with tyre pressures of course - higher rear pressures increase oversteer.
Cheers
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pleased you have the Integra oversteer issue sorted - it makes sense to me that you have a smaller sway bar now because the Integra responds with more oversteer when the rear gets stiffer and vice versa of course. You can fine tune this with tyre pressures of course - higher rear pressures increase oversteer.
Cheers
Chris may not be around for the Rotorua event next year as he is planning to be o/seas, so you may have some competiton !! Let me know if there is any smaller events on inbetween (sprints, hillclimbs etc).
May take it down to puke this Sat for the practice day and ensure the sway bar issue is sorted once and for all. Still need to pull the front shocks out though, as we need more compression bump rate added by way of a re-valve at stocks. The prior owner spent allot of money on this car, but doesnt appear to have ever sorted it.
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May take it down to puke this Sat for the practice day and ensure the sway bar issue is sorted once and for all.
I also heard there is an additional practice day on Fri and racing on Sunday if you are keen.
Come and say hello if you get there on Sat - I will be getting the newly uprated race teg out (Black DC2 with skunk white stripes).
As for swaybar mine is quickest at the track with the standard bar but we are working the geometries again this year to try going up in size. Great hint for the wet is releasing the rear bar (its a second a lap for me at Puke and heaps more predictable) just take out the bolt on one side of the bar
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I also heard there is an additional practice day on Fri and racing on Sunday if you are keen.
Come and say hello if you get there on Sat - I will be getting the newly uprated race teg out (Black DC2 with skunk white stripes).
As for swaybar mine is quickest at the track with the standard bar but we are working the geometries again this year to try going up in size. Great hint for the wet is releasing the rear bar (its a second a lap for me at Puke and heaps more predictable) just take out the bolt on one side of the bar
See you on Sat then. What type of times do you get on DOT road tyres ?
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What type of times do you get on DOT road tyres ?
On B18C (not Type R had Spoon computer and exhaust) and Prelude front brakes we were doing low 1:11's - at the end of the season with rubber on the track.
New motor with boost (around 300hp atw) and Wilwoods we are aiming at reliable 1:07's for the Six hour (saving fuel and tyres). All sorts of times have been quoted as potential but we will wait and see what the lap timer shows.
What times have you been getting?
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On B18C (not Type R had Spoon computer and exhaust) and Prelude front brakes we were doing low 1:11's - at the end of the season with rubber on the track.
New motor with boost (around 300hp atw) and Wilwoods we are aiming at reliable 1:07's for the Six hour (saving fuel and tyres). All sorts of times have been quoted as potential but we will wait and see what the lap timer shows.
What times have you been getting?
Last time at Puke (pre Targa monsoon) we had standard B18CR and standard rotors/calipers with Hawk HP+ pads, exhaust/cold box only mods my son did a 1.11.5 and I did a 1.12.2 (little bugger!!). Now with short ratio box and Prelude brake upgrade and slotted rotors (awesome) we should be able to knock 1-2s off BUT I suspect 5th ratio too low and will hit rev limiter before braking at end of back straight so will have to wait and see.
Cheers
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On B18C (not Type R had Spoon computer and exhaust) and Prelude front brakes we were doing low 1:11's - at the end of the season with rubber on the track.
New motor with boost (around 300hp atw) and Wilwoods we are aiming at reliable 1:07's for the Six hour (saving fuel and tyres). All sorts of times have been quoted as potential but we will wait and see what the lap timer shows.
What times have you been getting?
I havnt personally run the ITR at Puke, only the Levin and road cars. We only have a hand stop watch, so its pretty inaccurate anyway. Have been thinking of getting a lap timer, but need to research it a bit prior. I heard Mike Eadys DC2 NA ITR car could get 1.09's ?? but my memory is fuzzy.
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I havnt personally run the ITR at Puke, only the Levin and road cars. We only have a hand stop watch, so its pretty inaccurate anyway. Have been thinking of getting a lap timer, but need to research it a bit prior. I heard Mike Eadys DC2 NA ITR car could get 1.09's ?? but my memory is fuzzy.
Yeah we don't have laptimer at the mo, as we are upgrading to full logging dash with one built in (bonus that my other driver for endurance series has a spare :)).
Yeah Mike's went close I think after he installed the LINK in it (dammit 220 hp always gets 175hp), I raced against it with a lease driver but I think the guy was doing 1:17's or something so not at all comparable.
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Updated with Puke' track Prologue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lldZzuB8PYQ
PS. yes my navigator stuffed up on out first exit from the pits.
By the end of the run the track was a river, and VERY dangerious.
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Updated again with 2x shakedown runs.
Targa day 0 - Shakedown run#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZha_5zvf8s
Targa day 0 - Shakedown run#2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJzf_VaBFc
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decision made, its getting repaired. Work has started...
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good to here. do you know of any other shells of aea6/5 that are available?
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good to here. do you know of any other shells of aea6/5 that are available?
When I was at the Ngutunui hillclimb last weekend Steve Wilcock mentioned he had "a few" :)
His contact details are here:
http://www.hamiltoncarclub.org.nz/Contact_Us.html
Cheers
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good to here. do you know of any other shells of aea6/5 that are available?
I just bought a ae86 donor car which was never regged in NZ, however its a bit rusty but still suitable for the bits we need. I think ~Tama motors have another non regged AE86 for bits also. Not aware of any others thou, other than expensive road regged running ae85s on TM.
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When I was at the Ngutunui hillclimb last weekend Steve Wilcock mentioned he had "a few" :)
His contact details are here:
http://www.hamiltoncarclub.org.nz/Contact_Us.html
Cheers
In the nicest possible way, steve is a AE85/6 whore! :) he collects everything and sells nothing. Good guy, great car, and a great driver.
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picked up a doner AE86 shell, ready to be cut up to repair the other car.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/ae86shell.jpg)
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Looks all ready for the stickers Noel ;)
Good luck
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Probably a dumb question but, why not transfer all the goodies to this car?
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Probably a dumb question but, why not transfer all the goodies to this car?
There is more rust in this one, as much as more work to transfer it compared to a repair. The cage is the other BIG issue, as you cant move that (well you can, but its not worth it).
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Finally, the process starts!
Ended up getting a brand spanking new R/L Quarter from Toymotors for $400+gst (down from RRP $1800+!). That way its completely rust repair free.
Will be putting some extra bars in the cage prior to the full repaint.
Believe it or not, that chasis was pretty straight. Very much superficial damage, although all around :(
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You must be please Noel?
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You must be please Noel?
Yes and no. Emotionally yes.
The panelbeater provided a quote, then upped it. I then went back and said no, i'll part it out, but he had actually started it! So a price reneg was required, and he'll now finish it.
Its a great little car, very forgiving for the casual race driver, but prior to the off I was lookin to get something more competitive "within class". May end up removing the supercharger and running NA. Overall, its a rust free classic (hard to find rust free these days).
Either way, i'll have something for the short term, even if i swap it for something else longer term eg DC2 ITR, EG or ideally M3!
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i have a turbo kit 4 a 4age you can buy to make it ''more competitive'' haha... lots of 4age performance parts to..hks cams, nology plug wires. i/c and piping ect.. good to see you fixing it. love ae86's >:D
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love ae86's >:D
same, they are such cool cars...
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i have a turbo kit 4 a 4age you can buy to make it ''more competitive'' haha... lots of 4age performance parts to..hks cams, nology plug wires. i/c and piping ect.. good to see you fixing it. love ae86's >:D
Was thinking of a turbo prior to the off. More likely to drop the 4agze S/C (still only 98wkw) and go back to NA (mid level tune 110wkw) if i was to change it (can win my class then, unlike with the S/C as they lump me in with 200wkw cars). If i want power, i'll go for an M3, there not allot in it $$ wise once you take a good ae86+ add proper turbo conversion + computer + hilux rear end.
Make it look like new again soon!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/DSC05878-1.jpg)
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Was thinking of a turbo prior to the off. More likely to drop the 4agze S/C (still only 98wkw) and go back to NA (mid level tune 110wkw) if i was to change it (can win my class then, unlike with the S/C as they lump me in with 200wkw cars). If i want power, i'll go for an M3, there not allot in it $$ wise once you take a good ae86+ add proper turbo conversion + computer + hilux rear end.
Make it look like new again soon!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/DSC05878-1.jpg)
What model M3 were you thinking? E36?
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Was thinking of a turbo prior to the off. More likely to drop the 4agze S/C (still only 98wkw) and go back to NA (mid level tune 110wkw) if i was to change it (can win my class then, unlike with the S/C as they lump me in with 200wkw cars).
Would going n/a put you into class 3?
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What model M3 were you thinking? E36?
Yip. Would love E30, but too expensive. Would also lover E46 for other reasons, but again too expensive. E36 offers lots of value for money, and you can drop a 3.2 E46 engine in there if the current one either goes pop or you need more grunt :).
The reality is this wont be happening for a couple of years, but its nice to plan for it!
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getting there:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/ae86-3.jpg)
brand new 1/4 panel added
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bent left axle and bent rear disk also swapped out. Finger crossed in the LSD : :-\
Extra bars being added to cage this/next week.
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Cars is now back at the cage builder. Adding an 'additional' 14x bars.
Call me paranoid.
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Did the cage origionaly go to the front strut towers??
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Did the cage origionaly go to the front strut towers??
Nope. Will now thou.
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Extra bars and welds installed into roll cage.
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And before anyone asks, yes it will get re-homoligated.
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Will you get it re homoligated?
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Will you get it re homoligated?
have to, mandatory.
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Looking good Noel :)
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Is there some sort of weight vs safety balance going on ?
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Is there some sort of weight vs safety balance going on ?
No, all safety.
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Hans on, hold your arms to your chest and let her roll ain't nobody getting hurt inside that beast!
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Hans on, hold your arms to your chest and let her roll ain't nobody getting hurt inside that beast!
I like to dance that corolla on a limit a little too much... so much fun :angel:
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Getting there:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/ae86painted.jpg)
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Is that the same colour as before beeker? It's a great shade of red 8)
John
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Is that the same colour as before beeker? It's a great shade of red 8)
John
yip
will also go with the original black bonet, yip to be different.
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I hope you don't mind me asking, but did the cage cost alot to do?
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I hope you don't mind me asking, but did the cage cost alot to do?
The mod was $1k
It has an axisitng cage that had ~14 bars added.
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updated:
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Looking real good!! Like the red panda paint rob ;D
Are you going to paint the engine bay black?
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Looking real good!! Like the red panda paint rob ;D
Are you going to paint the engine bay black?
Nope, as is. Its a race car, not a show car :)
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Looking great 8)
Makes me think what my next project will be haha. Know of any Ae86 shells going cheap?
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Looking great 8)
Makes me think what my next project will be haha. Know of any Ae86 shells going cheap?
Good ones are not cheap anymore, thus my final decsion to repair it, and not scrap it.
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Are you running the standard supercharger on the 4AGZE??
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It lives !!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/noelsimpson/Ae86-rebuilt.jpg)
Will post more pics and details later.
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Nice 8) Looks awesome... Has it been rehomologated and everything yet?
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Has it been rehomologated and everything yet?
In process
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Well done Noel!!
Looking great.
Look forward to seeing you in action again.
Cheers
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Car looks good. You happy with the repair?
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Car looks good. You happy with the repair?
yip, its probably better than before now. Just need to sort out this missing issue (assume its old fuel, gets worse when warm), setup a replacment fan box (OEM removed as roll cage to strut tower addition went throu that space), Full service (brakes very spongy!), and a few other minor things like belts, refitting race electronics etc. xmas project.
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Excuse me if this is dumb but its a FWD not RWD eh?
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Excuse me if this is dumb but its a FWD not RWD eh?
The last of the RWD. 50:50 weight distribution. Not powerful, but holds corner speed very very well, if you dare that is. Its got the ability to come into a corner hot (Happens on targa allot!), and you either throttle if the corner opens up or turn in if the corner tighten and it will scrub speed off and still turn in without under/over steer (if you completely mis judge it, eventually turns to a 4wd drift, marginal understeer with off throttle). Very balanced. Great fun!
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The last of the RWD. 50:50 weight distribution. Not powerful, but holds corner speed very very well, if you dare that is. Its got the ability to come into a corner hot (Happens on targa allot!), and you either throttle if the corner opens up or turn in if the corner tighten and it will scrub speed off and still turn in without under/over steer (if you completely mis judge it, eventually turns to a 4wd drift, marginal understeer with off throttle). Very balanced. Great fun!
This seems a very revealing post Noel.
I have always been impressed with your stage times and especially your time in the Ngutunui hillclimb in the Integra.
Your post sheds light on why you are so quick.
It seems you are prepared to enter a corner at a speed close to 100% of what is possible to make the corner as you read it. If the corner is tighter than you've read it your margin to the limit is very small. I think your ability to control the car on and just beyond the limit is exceptional.
However in rallying the course is far less predictable than on the circuit and bigger margins of error need to be part of your driving style or the probability of crashing becomes much higher.
It is of course a trade off as i'm sure you are well aware.
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This seems a very revealing post Noel.
I have always been impressed with your stage times and especially your time in the Ngutunui hillclimb in the Integra.
Your post sheds light on why you are so quick.
It seems you are prepared to enter a corner at a speed close to 100% of what is possible to make the corner as you read it. If the corner is tighter than you've read it your margin to the limit is very small. I think your ability to control the car on and just beyond the limit is exceptional.
However in rallying the course is far less predictable than on the circuit and bigger margins of error need to be part of your driving style or the probability of crashing becomes much higher.
It is of course a trade off as i'm sure you are well aware.
I found quite qucikly i could not drive the ITR like that. You need to come in a little slower and throttle early in the corner. Whereas the Levin is a longer initial period of breaking or carrying speed, and throttle later. The main point is that if you arrive at a corner, find that you have over committed with too much speed, the AE86 does a great job at throttle off 'just getting around'. Whereas the ITR needs careful input on steering and throttle. Thats why the Ae86 is such a great little learners car or for someone that doesnt race often. Bloody heavy steering thou!
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RWD, nice.
I think tyre grip has much to do with a cars ability to predictably scrub speed off. To much grip suddenly lets go, to little is to little.
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This will be the final post under this 'crash' heading!
The car is now materially rebuilt (better than prior actually), and now down to small things to complete or prep the car for Tarmac duty in 2009. Have paid the deposit for Targa Bambina, but will be trying a few smaller events prior to that.
Finally fixed the intermittent supercharger issue, faulty ECU, suspect some has been welding with it in...
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Wow its mint.
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Looks too good to race 8)
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Looks too good to race 8)
i agree...
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Slap on a few stickers and YEEHAH!!!!!!!!!
Loookin' great :)
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looks awesome!
Boy racers would jizz in their pants over that thing man!
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Wow its mint.
Looks too good to race 8)
i agree...
::) ......... just a new paint job, u guys too easily impressed ...
tho its great to see it up and rolling, Noel. :)
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::) ......... just a new paint job, u guys too easily impressed ...
i agree :)
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Couple a pullers up there if you ask me ;D
That car looks really amazing, that is a paint job and a half not to mention the fact it was all bent out of shape.
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What's up with the red windscreen wipers?!
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What's up with the red windscreen wipers?!
They swapped colours with the bonnet ;)
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What's up with the red windscreen wipers?!
I so wanted to say that but just didn't want to upset anymore people on vask :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Sorry Noel.
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I so wanted to say that but just didn't want to upset anymore people on vask :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Sorry Noel.
Original owner did it. Not my call..