EV economics

Started by brian, July 01, 2023, 12:17:27 PM

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brian

This guy is a PITA but sit with him as there are some interesting figures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqYI_vLYDk0
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superfueler

 I would rather crawl on my fingers and toes down the road then buy and drive an EV, HORRIBLE things.  :-X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxY2s-oIak
Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

slowmo

I?ve done about 130,000 kms in an EV. Would never go back to a petrol vehicle as a daily.

All the fuel and maintenance savings can justify my near 20 year old relic.

Happy to help answer anyone?s concerns or misconceptions about EV?s so come at me!
Current: 2004 MK4 R32 3-door NZ New DBP

Past: 2010 MK6 GTI / 2013 Nissan Leaf LOL / 2007 B7 RS4 / 2006 MK5 R32 / 2005 MK5 GTI / 1998 MK4 GTI / 1997 B5 A4 MTM

superfueler

Never thought I would hear that from a R32 driver slowmo....... ;D  ;D
Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

slowmo

Quote from: superfueler on July 02, 2023, 06:33:30 PM
Never thought I would hear that from a R32 driver slowmo....... ;D  ;D

To be honest, transitioning to EV means even our fairly common MK4 Golfs may become coveted some day.

Current: 2004 MK4 R32 3-door NZ New DBP

Past: 2010 MK6 GTI / 2013 Nissan Leaf LOL / 2007 B7 RS4 / 2006 MK5 R32 / 2005 MK5 GTI / 1998 MK4 GTI / 1997 B5 A4 MTM

superfueler

Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

superfueler

Funny that the governments of the world thats pushing for EV usage fail to mention or show the whole picture.

https://youtu.be/fhHQ202FZtU
Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

superfueler

Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

superfueler

Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

80 Vert

I'm sure they have their place but I'd rather be dead than drive something as soul less as an EV.
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1991 Golf GTI 2.0 TSI swapped
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OOOO

I've just come back from a week in California and spent some time driving a Tesla Model S Plaid, Model Y Dual Motor Performance, and a brief test drive of Lucid Air Grand Touring. Admittedly two of these cars US$130k but was enough to sell me on the merits. The Plaid was just next level in performance. That in itself gave it a soul. The Lucid is just an electric version of a Merc S Class but no Merc gets up and boogies like that. 516 mile range as well.

If I had the money I'd buy the performance Model Y for NZ. The tech growth in these sorts of cars is only going to get better.
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2013 VW Golf 2.0TDI
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slowmo

I'm sure people on horses reacted that way about cars 100 years ago.  :laugh:
Current: 2004 MK4 R32 3-door NZ New DBP

Past: 2010 MK6 GTI / 2013 Nissan Leaf LOL / 2007 B7 RS4 / 2006 MK5 R32 / 2005 MK5 GTI / 1998 MK4 GTI / 1997 B5 A4 MTM

Gordo

I haven't posted for quite a while, so Happy New Decade, folks.

The problem of people not buying EVs - assuming pure plug-in models(?) - is curious, as there wpould seem to be quite a few advantages, especially if you'd invested in solar/wind power generation.
My biggest issue was the distribution question here, and the generation in countries with limited re-newable generation.
However, while I did read that Freightliner has shut down their electric truck division, there's a small company called Edison, that is developing a logging truck, and hopefully coversions for other vehicles, that uses an on-board high efficiency, on demand, generator to charge a battery-pack which, in turn, provides the tractive power - with a plug-in option for charging also being an option.
These are my thoughts and opinions - sometimes I'm wrong, but not often ;-)

Pushbutton_auto

So where does all this free electricity come from ?
Beating up parking wardens ain't a crime.

superfueler

Exactly. Nothing in the automotive industry is free. Welcome to RUC's for EV's.

Every EV owner who thinks they are doing their "bit" for the environment due to pollution "decrease", guess what, CO2 (the main emission emitted by gasoline cars) is what plants absorb to provide you back with O2. And no, the planet is not getting warmer Greta.

Population control if you ask me.
Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

slowmo

Quote from: superfueler on February 06, 2024, 08:18:08 AMExactly. Nothing in the automotive industry is free. Welcome to RUC's for EV's.

Every EV owner who thinks they are doing their "bit" for the environment due to pollution "decrease", guess what, CO2 (the main emission emitted by gasoline cars) is what plants absorb to provide you back with O2. And no, the planet is not getting warmer Greta.

Population control if you ask me.

Wut?
Current: 2004 MK4 R32 3-door NZ New DBP

Past: 2010 MK6 GTI / 2013 Nissan Leaf LOL / 2007 B7 RS4 / 2006 MK5 R32 / 2005 MK5 GTI / 1998 MK4 GTI / 1997 B5 A4 MTM

superfueler

Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

superfueler

Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

superfueler

Quote from: slowmo on February 06, 2024, 10:16:14 AMWut?

Nothing against anyone here slowmo, i'm just helping expose EV's as the gigantic hazardous fraud they are, sold under the banner of "doing your bit for the environment". What a farce.
Current: 2007 Audi A4 2.0T DTM sprint blue, 2007 VW Golf V 2.0 TDI BKD 4motion manual white.
Past: Audi A4 2.7 TDI silver, 2004 Golf 4 R32 black pearlescent, 2009 Audi S3 8P white / panoramic roof, 2004 Audi A4 B6 1.8T blue, 99 Golf mk4 GTI black, 2005 Audi A4 B7 2.0T black.

thomas.dq

Quote from: superfueler on February 06, 2024, 02:17:39 PMNothing against anyone here slowmo, i'm just helping expose EV's as the gigantic hazardous fraud they are, sold under the banner of "doing your bit for the environment". What a farce.

What are your thoughts on decarbonising aviation? For example - https://flightnz0.airnewzealand.co.nz/about
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